Highest Graded returning offensive lineman in Big 12

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But do teams that win typically excel in this stat? I love the movie Moneyball and how it portrays old school thinking in the world where there is so much data now available. But some of these analytics and stats are getting so niche I'll need to see data it correlates with a team's likelihood to come out better or worse in the W/L column. I don't care if Frazier has a 99% pancake block rate when the ball is in opponents territory, in the rain, in the month of October, between the hours of 5pm-6pm, and the opposing player smashed Neal Brown's old lady sideways instead of doggy before the game.
 

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But do teams that win typically excel in this stat? I love the movie Moneyball and how it portrays old school thinking in the world where there is so much data now available. But some of these analytics and stats are getting so niche I'll need to see data it correlates with a team's likelihood to come out better or worse in the W/L column. I don't care if Frazier has a 99% pancake block rate when the ball is in opponents territory, in the rain, in the month of October, between the hours of 5pm-6pm, and the opposing player smashed Neal Brown's old lady sideways instead of doggy before the game.
If you have no O-line you have no game. Case closed.
 
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If you have no O-line you have no game. Case closed.

Obviously that is true. But does the measure they use to come up with these grades actually reflect if a line is good or not? I see all these analytics now, all in the NFL, where 6 different players will be the top CB or LB depending on grading system used. I know the game is win in the trenches and you can see a good line work in the game. However I am dubious of these rankings and grades. Frazier is a known commodity. Milum has played great, but I recall has had some injury issues.
 

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Obviously that is true. But does the measure they use to come up with these grades actually reflect if a line is good or not? I see all these analytics now, all in the NFL, where 6 different players will be the top CB or LB depending on grading system used. I know the game is win in the trenches and you can see a good line work in the game. However I am dubious of these rankings and grades. Frazier is a known commodity. Milum has played great, but I recall has had some injury issues.
So you think Frazier is not good. The best linemen on the team is not any good.
 
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So you think Frazier is not good. The best linemen on the team is not any good.

Where did I say that? I said he is a known commodity. He is the best and has played that way consistently. It's Milum that has great potential, but has only one season at one position under his belt. Obviously the movement of positions as a Freahman is not his fault. Hence, Milum has less of a track record to set your watch by than Frazier.
 

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Where did I say that? I said he is a known commodity. He is the best and has played that way consistently. It's Milum that has great potential, but has only one season at one position under his belt. Obviously the movement of positions as a Freahman is not his fault. Hence, Milum has less of a track record to set your watch by than Frazier.
You don't trust the grading yet the NFL and other colleges do look at this grading as well as their play and style.

What it comes down to is can I beat the man in front of me.
 
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You don't trust the grading yet the NFL and other colleges do look at this grading as well as their play and style.

What it comes down to is can I beat the man in front of me.

I'm not disagreeing. But the NFL can build the roster much more selectively than WVU can. All I am saying is individual players on the line being great is a good thing. But is the rest of the chain, including coaches, strong enough to translate those that are talented into an effective unit and thus improvement in the win/loss column? Plenty of teams have had great NFL players and still had no significant success as a team.
 

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OL has been a struggle since Holgs forced out Ron Crook.
It has been a long time since we've had a good OL. Even with the highest graded PFF olmen in the b12 our OL still sucked as a unit last year, although pff is usually pretty off base on OL's and DL's. I was hoping to see a coaching change there this year, but nope. Maybe if Moore spoke about his Christian faith Neal would fire him, but as it is, being a really bad coach isn't enough to get fired from Neal's staff. You have to act like a normal American man to get fired from this weenies staff. Worse coach ever.
 
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But do teams that win typically excel in this stat? I love the movie Moneyball and how it portrays old school thinking in the world where there is so much data now available. But some of these analytics and stats are getting so niche I'll need to see data it correlates with a team's likelihood to come out better or worse in the W/L column. I don't care if Frazier has a 99% pancake block rate when the ball is in opponents territory, in the rain, in the month of October, between the hours of 5pm-6pm, and the opposing player smashed Neal Brown's old lady sideways instead of doggy before the game.
What a sick way to think. You think you're saying something original, when in reality, you're immaturity is showing. I get the rest of it, but using Neal's Wife to punctuate just how random you wanted this to seem, says more about you then maybe you realize.
 
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What a sick way to think. You think you're saying something original, when in reality, you're immaturity is showing. I get the rest of it, but using Neal's Wife to punctuate just how random you wanted this to seem, says more about you then maybe you realize.

Your sanctimonious, self righteous indignation is duly noted. Go crow about your successful YouTube career with CFE and his mythical sports writer legacy. You can rub your 6 figure portfolio's together.
 
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