Hiring a Final Four Coach

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Tommy Lloyd would be high on my list but E8 last year was his deepest run as head coach. He went to multiple ff's as an assistant with Mark Few at Gonzaga.
I’ll be perfectly honest with you. I love Lloyd, he has the kind of consistency I want in a coach. His worst year was last year and they were still average. He will get to some F4s with time. His offensive philosophy is alluring — plays with insane pace.
 

chroix

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12-3 with Iowa this year and he’s won games against some impressive coaches


First year at the school and he beat Chris Beard, blew out Richard Pitino, blew out Buzz Williams, beat Mick Cronin by a healthy margin and barely lost on the road to Otzelberger. Only “bad” loss was getting thumped by Izzo.
Lotsa good teams been thumped by Izzo.
 

rick64

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Didn't our buddy Tom Crean make a F4 with Marquette and Dwyane Wade? 😉
 

Eagles_Ball_69

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12-3 with Iowa this year and he’s won games against some impressive coaches


First year at the school and he beat Chris Beard, blew out Richard Pitino, blew out Buzz Williams, beat Mick Cronin by a healthy margin and barely lost on the road to Otzelberger. Only “bad” loss was getting thumped by Izzo.
I can’t imagine he’d leave Iowa for anywhere
 

TFCat11

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Let’s give Pope enough time to get the players that fits his system, and in due time, he’ll have some FF’s of his own! This was always going to be a 6-10 year project, so let’s all be patient and rally behind our coach! He needs us right now, and don’t forget he’s partially responsible for that ‘96 Championship.
 
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Dusty May's contract is only 5 million a year. Offer him 10 million per year with incentives. If he doesnt take it go all in with the same offer for Pearl. Last offer should be to the Ben McCollum.
 
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Dusty May's contract is only 5 million a year. Offer him 10 million per year with incentives. If he doesnt take it go all in with the same offer for Pearl. Last offer should be to the Ben McCollum.
Can at least make Michigan pay the man. Even in my fantasies, May still says no. Michigan has a nuclear arsenal of money marks. In an NIL landscape they’re probably above us.
 
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Steven Pearl? 😝
 

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I wonder if we could get Kelvin Samspon here. Granted hes 70. But thats a possibility because it seems he just cant get Houston over the hump and I would bet a big reason for that is that they just arent a basketball school (despite the Phi Slamma days). Thats a guy that I think you could lure away by offering him whatever he wants, as hes itching for a title after coming up short. But again, hes 70. So doubt its happening.
We need to ask ourselve one question. We are a successful coach who is making more money than we will ever want or need, with zero pressure. Would you change jobs that has a ton of pressure and money is not a reason to change? It will be more than difficult to get the coaches we are dreaming about. I would stay were I am making millions with no pressure rather than go to the most pressure of any basketball school in the country.
 

BigBlueGuru

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We need to ask ourselve one question. We are a successful coach who is making more money than we will ever want or need, with zero pressure. Would you change jobs that has a ton of pressure and money is not a reason to change? It will be more than difficult to get the coaches we are dreaming about. I would stay were I am making millions with no pressure rather than go to the most pressure of any basketball school in the country.
You have to consider ego. Just like with Cal. He was able to take UMass and Memphis to Final Fours but desperately wanted that title. He could get that at UK. Same with Sampson. Sometimes it's not all about money or no expectations. Some of these guys want the expectations so they have a legacy for their life's work.
 
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You have to consider ego. Just like with Cal. He was able to take UMass and Memphis to Final Fours but desperately wanted that title. He could get that at UK. Same with Sampson. Sometimes it's not all about money or no expectations. Some of these guys want the expectations so they have a legacy for their life's work.
We offer nothing that Houston can’t at this point in time that equates to championships.
 

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We need to ask ourselve one question. We are a successful coach who is making more money than we will ever want or need, with zero pressure. Would you change jobs that has a ton of pressure and money is not a reason to change? It will be more than difficult to get the coaches we are dreaming about. I would stay were I am making millions with no pressure rather than go to the most pressure of any basketball school in the country.

And it’s not just here. UNC went with Hubert Davis. No coaching exoerience (though they almost always hire one of their own because “reasons” [read: they have to because they have so many skeletons])

Duke went with Jon Scheyer. Young and unproven but K’s top assistant.

IU after crean hired Archie Miller from Dayton, Mike Woodson(alumni) With like month of exoerience as an interim for the Knicks I believe and now Devries who spent 1 season at West Virginia where he went 19-13 after 5 solid seasons at Drake.

UCLA got Cronin from a pretty successful run at cincinnati but Cronin had not been to a final four and Cincy was in the AAC at the time.

I’m guessing Kansas next hire will be either an alumni, someone from the current coaching staff, or someone thafs having success at a mid major.

The days of blue bloods being able to poach other successful high major coaches barring it being an alumni are over.
 

BigBlueGuru

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We offer nothing that Houston can’t at this point in time that equates to championships.
You could say that for most of our previous coaches. What did we offer Pitino he didn't have in the NBA or Cal that just went to the Championship game with Memphis.Sampson isn't winning a title at Houston. He doesn't have the recruiting name of Kentucky and the historical dominance of Kentucky. Those things still matter with the right coach. Offer him a substantial raise with incentives and he would come.
 
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You could say that for most of our previous coaches. What did we offer Pitino he didn't have in the NBA or Cal that just went to the Championship game with Memphis.Sampson isn't winning a title at Houston. He doesn't have the recruiting name of Kentucky and the historical dominance of Kentucky. Those things still matter with the right coach. Offer him a substantial raise with incentives and he would come.
I just don’t think those situations are analogous. Your Calipari example is from an era where brand was still the biggest factor in recruiting, resources etc. It’s just not like that anymore — money is first and Houston has big oil money.
 

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The only reason Pearl is a popular choice is he compliments the fans. The insecure bennies will fall for anyone that tells them they‘re pretty.
 

megablue

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I know there’s been a lot of discussion about the need to hire a coach with Final Four experience, so I tried to dig up and find out which coaches are still active who have made one. I threw a few inactive ones in there as well, in case anyone wanted to discuss those.

If I missed any active Final Four coaches, let me know.


Dana Altman (Oregon)
Rick Barnes (Tennessee)
Chris Beard (Ole Miss)
John Calipari (Arkansas)
Mick Cronin (UCLA)
Hubert Davis (North Carolina)
Scott Drew (Baylor)
Brian Dutcher (San Diego State)
Mark Few (Gonzaga)
Todd Golden (Florida)
Dan Hurley (UConn)
Tom Izzo (Michigan State)
Thad Matta (Butler)
Rick Pitino (St. John’s)
Kelvin Sampson (Houston)
Jon Scheyer (Duke)
Bill Self (Kansas)
Shaka Smart (Marquette)
Dusty May (Michigan)
Nate Oats (Alabama)
Frank Martin (Massachusetts)


Inactive/Retired: Bob Huggins, Jay Wright, Bruce Pearl, Kevin Keatts, Billy Donovan, Tony Bennett, Paul Hewitt, John Belein.
No FFs, but several E8 appearances. Lots of wins (494, .712) and still relatively young (57).
I suspect he is very hungry to prove his legitimacy. He was my choice.
 
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megablue

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I’m not high on Sean Miller personally. Respect him but I’m not sure if he’s better than what we have
I respect your opinion, as always, but he has 274 more wins (his 494 wins are all at MAJOR schools) than Pope (who has 77 of 220 wins at Utah Valley) and he is only four (4) years older than Pope. To me, his pedigree is pretty impressive.

Miller is a three-time gold medalist as a member of USA Basketball: once as a player, once as an assistant coach, and once as head coach. Miller has won five league Coach of the Year Awards: once in the A10, three in the Pac-12, and once as USA Basketball Coach of the Year.[1]
 
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I respect your opinion, as always, but he has 274 more wins (all at MAJOR schools) than Pope (77 wins at Utah Valley) and he is only four (4) years older than Pope. To me, his pedigree is pretty impressive.
I agree with you that his resume is miles better than the coach we hired for sure. Miller has had a LOT of talent to work with in his career and still posted the following loss columns starting with Arizona:

15, 8, 12, 8, 5, 4, 9, 5, 8, 15, 11, 9, 10, 18, 12

And this year, he’s 9-6 at Texas. Mind you those loss columns I provided are from PAC 12 and Big East jobs, which are two of the easiest power conferences over the last 10-12 years. He’s a good offensive coach and a good recruiter but I don’t believe in him at all. I’d rather take a swing on someone more unproven if it came to Miller.
 

megablue

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I agree with you that his resume is miles better than the coach we hired for sure. Miller has had a LOT of talent to work with in his career and still posted the following loss columns starting with Arizona:

15, 8, 12, 8, 5, 4, 9, 5, 8, 15, 11, 9, 10, 18, 12

And this year, he’s 9-6 at Texas. Mind you those loss columns I provided are from PAC 12 and Big East jobs, which are two of the easiest power conferences over the last 10-12 years. He’s a good offensive coach and a good recruiter but I don’t believe in him at all. I’d rather take a swing on someone more unproven if it came to Miller.
Yeah ... but what about THE KENTUCKY BRAND ?? :)

Miller's . 713 career winning percentage ranks in a tie for sixth among active head coaches with a minimum of five years as a Division I head coach entering the 2025-26 season. His 22 career NCAA Tournament wins rank 10th among active coaches.

Sean Miller's career winning percentage is around .710 to .713, with over 480 wins in 20+ seasons coaching major programs like Xavier, Arizona, and currently, Texas, placing him among top coaches in Division I history for winning percentage. For example, ESPN notes he has over a 71% win rate, while Sports-Reference.com lists him at .711 and Texas Longhorns Athletics puts him at .713 entering the 2025-26 season.
Here's a breakdown:
  • Overall: Roughly 496-202 (.711) across Xavier, Arizona, and Texas as of early 2025.
  • Arizona: 302-109 (.735) in Pac-12 play.
  • Xavier: 185-87 (.680) in his time there.
He's consistently maintained a winning percentage above 70% throughout his career.
 
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