Did anyone on the board realize that Hobbs was opening the redshirt loophole by firing Ash after 4 games? The stupidity is embarrassing.
Hobbs major mistake
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Well this is the 37th time that’s been mentioned this week. Did this just dawn on you?
I think most people realized it. The thing you have to remember, though, is that it cuts both ways. There was a real concern that after the Michigan loss some players would jump for the portal if Ash was retained.
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This board needs to shut down until we know what the hell is going on!!
The 37th time it's been mentioned since the Sit announcement on Thursday. Had not been mentioned prior. The collective hindsight of this board is crystal clear.
Well you should see what it looks like on the pay side. For once you guys are the tame group.
Did not see it mentioned once on this board or in the media before it happened as a possibility if there was a mid season firing,,,, all I saw was a collective angry mob calling for ASH's termination as soon as possible. But of course there will be the Monday morning quarterbacks who criticize the timing of the action they all wanted.
If anything, it gave players extra options - and Sitkowski and Blackshear both exercised an option to redshirt. Of course, it was incumbent on those players to let their coaching staff know that with enough time to plan for their absence - one accomplished that a bit better than the other.
All us experts missed that 1 tidy bit of consideration. I was part of that group and will live with it.
But at least we gave college football a new previously not considered learning in our 150th aniv. Year.
But at least we gave college football a new previously not considered learning in our 150th aniv. Year.
Maybe Hobbs was being classy and letting the kids have a chance to make this decision: they didn’t have much time to decide so it’s not on them really. The whole thing is a mess so stop with the lynch mob mentality. This started in 2015 and we’ve gone way down hill since then. Fire everyone doesn’t help. So stop.
Hating on the players doesn’t help either. Not showing up for games kills us.
Hating on the players doesn’t help either. Not showing up for games kills us.
Tennessee just benched Jarrett Guarantano for a freshman QB in the 5th game. JG got 4th quarter mop up time to insure that he is still committed to UT.
Apparently RU FB has not yet embraced the new redshirt rule?
Apparently RU FB has not yet embraced the new redshirt rule?
I always assumed part of the calculus was realizing we were going to play a bad Maryland team, which, in theory, we could've beaten (especially with all of our players), and there's no way Hobbs could've fired Ash after what likely would've been an emotional win.
The OP is obviously very talented at predicting the future *after* it's happened. It's a common ability on these boards; obviously Rutgers must have a course in how to do it.
I think RU paved the way in showing when not to fire a coach. Lesson is Do it after your starters have played 4 games. Hindsight but you're welcome college football.
Houston had 2 guys do the same thing without firing their coach. It's going to be the new normal in CFB if you're on a bad team. Hopefully the NCAA will adjust the red shirt rule to just freshman again.
How often are coaches fired after 4 games in any season, this doesn't happen much
maybe the 4 game redshirt rule was part of the decision to let Ash go so early.
If he knew Ash was a goner maybe he wanted to allow the players to make this decision.
If he makes a hire and both stay on the team then you will have an extra year of eligibility for both vs. them playing this year for a lame duck coach where they get hammered and can't show their true abilities.
Experienced great hire coach comes in and now he has 2 years with Blackshear and 3 with Sitkowski.
For the kids perspective they also have options where if the new coach is not right for them they can transfer to a place where they can play and earn the degree they want.
It would be no different than you getting a scholarship to go to Rutgers for a specific dept. 2 years later the dept changes the program you were pursuing a degree in and changes up a number of professors. While you can stay at school under the new degree program maybe you feel it is in your best interest to transfer elsewhere.
For football it is a business where Rutgers makes $20+ mil off these kids. They should have a little power and forcing them to stay on a sinking ship is more harmful then helpful.
If he knew Ash was a goner maybe he wanted to allow the players to make this decision.
If he makes a hire and both stay on the team then you will have an extra year of eligibility for both vs. them playing this year for a lame duck coach where they get hammered and can't show their true abilities.
Experienced great hire coach comes in and now he has 2 years with Blackshear and 3 with Sitkowski.
For the kids perspective they also have options where if the new coach is not right for them they can transfer to a place where they can play and earn the degree they want.
It would be no different than you getting a scholarship to go to Rutgers for a specific dept. 2 years later the dept changes the program you were pursuing a degree in and changes up a number of professors. While you can stay at school under the new degree program maybe you feel it is in your best interest to transfer elsewhere.
For football it is a business where Rutgers makes $20+ mil off these kids. They should have a little power and forcing them to stay on a sinking ship is more harmful then helpful.
Jarrett Guarantano is a redshirt junior. He was redshirted in 2016. There was no redshirt year available to him.
Sitkowski was already considering redshirting. Blackshear is looking out for his future. Call it him being selfish or being a quitter is asinine. With an NFL future before him if he was my son I would not jeopardize him getting hurt with all the uncertainty surrounding the program. The fact it was a game time decision shows it was not an easy decision for him.
Firing the coach at this juncture of the season creates so much uncertainty. The problem is that RU should have fired Ash last year, but they didnt. Now they fire Ash which was the wishes of the majority of the fan base and these players are forced to make decisions regarding their futures with a lot of uncertainty not knowing who the next coach will be. With the rules available Stokowski and Blackshear decided to utilize that rule to understand their options and now so-called adults have a meltdown that these kids are not loyal to the University and should have their scholarship pulled. How about looking at it from their perspective that the Athletic leadership screwed them by totalling mishandling the the Ash situation and creating more distrust that the next major football decision will be a screw up too! Leave the kids alone and directed at the correct culprits Hobbs and the BOA!
Firing the coach at this juncture of the season creates so much uncertainty. The problem is that RU should have fired Ash last year, but they didnt. Now they fire Ash which was the wishes of the majority of the fan base and these players are forced to make decisions regarding their futures with a lot of uncertainty not knowing who the next coach will be. With the rules available Stokowski and Blackshear decided to utilize that rule to understand their options and now so-called adults have a meltdown that these kids are not loyal to the University and should have their scholarship pulled. How about looking at it from their perspective that the Athletic leadership screwed them by totalling mishandling the the Ash situation and creating more distrust that the next major football decision will be a screw up too! Leave the kids alone and directed at the correct culprits Hobbs and the BOA!
Actually I did not. I doubt many on here even thought of it. In retrospect should have put up with 1 more week of fire Ash before firing him. As an ex-athlete, I would not be happy with either one's decision and would not be happy if they are allowed to stay in the locker room. Blacksheer definitely needs C removed.
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Smarter to give the students a choice to leave.
You can't trap kids. In this instance, Hobbs did the right and smart thing.
You can't trap kids. In this instance, Hobbs did the right and smart thing.
As much as I don't like the fundamental concept of a player unilaterally choosing to sit out, I don't disagree with Blackshear's decision given the circumstance - especially if the intent is to try to make the team better by preserving a year of eligibility with the new coach. BUT, and this is a huge BUT, the manner in which he made and conveyed that decision was truly awful and sabotaging to the team.
If you can't make that decision before the last practice of game week, it's too late, imo. You missed your window to give your team a chance to adapt to your decision, and are just throwing them under the bus by basically tearing up their playbook an hour before kickoff. I mean, how can you even practice with the first team and watch a game plan be designed to get you the ball, limiting the reps of the guys behind you.... all while knowing there was a good chance you wouldn't be taking those snaps on game day and not at least communicating that possibility to your coaches.
Overall, Blackshear's intent may not have been bad, but his execution was piss poor.
If you can't make that decision before the last practice of game week, it's too late, imo. You missed your window to give your team a chance to adapt to your decision, and are just throwing them under the bus by basically tearing up their playbook an hour before kickoff. I mean, how can you even practice with the first team and watch a game plan be designed to get you the ball, limiting the reps of the guys behind you.... all while knowing there was a good chance you wouldn't be taking those snaps on game day and not at least communicating that possibility to your coaches.
Overall, Blackshear's intent may not have been bad, but his execution was piss poor.
Blacksheer will be declaring for the draft at the end of the season. There was not thinking about preserving eligibility for the betterment of the teams the next two years.
My question is whether Hobbs picked this timing for that reason or was it more serendipitous? My initial thoughts were that he wasn’t going to fire him this early however the rumbling in the fan base had switched from fire ash to fire ash AND Hobbs. So at that point he had to nip it in the bud.
If that's the case, I have no idea who's telling him they think he'll go on the first two nights of the draft. Haven't heard anything definitive there, so I'm chalking that one up to speculation/rumor for now.
Actually, I have not heard that attributed to Blacksheer's camp. That is just my read on the situation.
Respectfully disagree. He’s a RB — not a QB. How exactly would “uncertainty” at the HC position create any more risk for him. You either ball or you don’t. And, IMO, the late decision doesn’t show it was “hard” choice. It showed it was hard for him to own it. Two separate things.
Hobbs is the abuser of the whole team!!
Hobbs: “Ok guys, you are unimportant. You should risk life and limb, and waste your little tiny chance of getting to the NFL, while I bumble around being an incompetent fool!”
Hobbs: “Ok guys, you are unimportant. You should risk life and limb, and waste your little tiny chance of getting to the NFL, while I bumble around being an incompetent fool!”
And MAYBE gets a chance as an UFA. Long shot for him at best. He's not Reggie Bush.
You don't think there are people in his ear telling him he is going to be a draft pick?
This is stupid. The termination of a head coach doesn't increase his chances of getting injured.