Hold your water ....

[kidrobinski]

Nm

 

[kidrobinski]

Not arguing with you, but, ok..... let's say I buy his KY explanation. (I don't) But let's give him a pass on that one.....

How we explaining the complete and utter mis-clock management in the 2nd qtr against UT when we had just gotten a first down inside the 10 yard line and the clock was approaching the 2 minute warning.... and we hurried up and ran another play before the 2 min warning. It was stupid. You are in COMPLETE CONTROL in that situation. You have the opposing team at your mercy. The one and only thing you cannot do in that situation is mis-manage the clock and give UT the ball back with plenty of time to march right down the field and score a TD before halftime. You CANNOT do that....... and that's precisely what we did. (While keeping 3 time outs in our back pockets)

That is unforgivable, imho .....it cannot happen. But, it's forgiven and not talked about because we won the game. It's not like this is his first year as HC. This is year SIX.....you'd think he'd know how to manage the game clock / situation. See for yourself. Fast forward to the 57:40 mark and watch the inexplicable unfold.

That was indeed a bad stretch; everyone lost their bearings for sure including the D allowing the score. And UT had timeouts also. I can’t say I’m fully following your logic there but granted the old gray matter is not what it once was; I’m not seeing it as a major faux pas on Beamer’s part. You’ve obviously thought it thru much deeper.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

That was indeed a bad stretch; everyone lost their bearings for sure including the D allowing the score. And UT had timeouts also. I can’t say I’m fully following your logic there but granted the old gray matter is not what it once was; I’m not seeing it as a major faux pas on Beamer’s part. You’ve obviously thought it thru much deeper.

Well, the logic is rather simple. (Look man, even Todd Ellis was saying you let the clock run down the 2:00 warning)

So, it's 4th and 1. We go for it. We get it. It's now 1st down and you don't have to run another play before the clock gets to the 2 minute warning. You let the clock run down to 2 minutes. There's a TV timeout. The game is tied 14 - 14. You gather your players on the sideline and go through what you're going to do with your GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY.... It's 1st down and no rush..... Preferably, you run a running play up the middle for a few yards. Clock runs.... you force UT to use their timeouts there. (Or maybe they don't use their timeouts but at least you're forcing them to do something)

If they are content to let the clock run until you snap that ball on your 2nd down......fine.... same play.....run up the middle. If they stop you again, the clock is till running. We got Time Outs. We can stop the clock whenever we want if need be. Then on 3rd down, hopefully, you score with the game clock being somewhere around the 30 second mark. You take the lead, go into halftime, KNOWING that they get the ball 1st in the 2nd half.

You allow them very little time to do anything. - Instead - here's what we did:

1st down......hurried up and our MeatHead QB ran out of bounds, stopping the clock.....but it didn't matter because THAT play, the clock was going to be stopped at the 2 minute warning anyway..... I think it stopped at 1:58. Now it's 2nd down. Meathead threw an incomplete pass to a WIDE OPEN receiver less than 10 yards away. Clock stops. Now it's 3rd down.... MeatHead scrambles around and nearly takes a huge sack but throws it incomplete. Clock stops. - We kick a field goal. Go up 17-14

But then we have to kick off to them and when they got the ball back......instead of having under 30 seconds on the clock.......they had 1:44 and 2 timeouts...... and marched right down the field and scored a TD.

You just CANNOT make those kinds of mistakes against the #11 ranked team in the country. It was GROSS mismanagement of the clock.
Edited to add: and I'm still not arguing with you, just explaining the logic, down by down.

 

[bayrooster]

I thought people were calling for Woods because Sellers got injured.

 

[TheRoo]

You just CANNOT make those kinds of mistakes against the #11 ranked team in the country. It was GROSS mismanagement of the clock.
Edited to add: and I'm still not arguing with you, just explaining the logic, down by down.

Apparently you can because we still won the game.

But any more detail you can add to this horrific situation would be welcomed.

 

[Lurker123]

I thought people were calling for Woods because Sellers got injured.

Lately yes. Some were calling for " a series or two" earlier when Sellers was not quite making great decisions.

I think some were calling for his outright benching too.

Some were calling for more Woods in those early games when it was out of hand too.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

I thought people were calling for Woods because Sellers got injured.

If we had a competent coaching staff, Woods would have played the entire 2nd half of our opener against cupcake #1 and Duckworth or someone else would have played the entire 2nd half of our game with cupcake #2.

But we like to squander opportunities like that.

 

[TheRoo]

I thought people were calling for Woods because Sellers got injured.

Yep. He's the #2 guy if Sellers wasn't able to go or throw off the leg.

 

[Anon17881770230828406]

Let's be honest. Even if we lose to UGA and Clemson, we will be 7-5 on the season. Almost everyone here would have thought that was good season after the UK game. 8-4 would be a great season by any metric you want to judge SC football.

Beamer isn't great, but I don't think a great coach is going to take the SC job unless it is a retread situation like Holtz or Spurrierj. With how much coaches make now, the motivation to come out of retirement and take on a challenging job isn't quite what it used to be. Beamer is "South Carolina good", which means, he is going to have a winning record overall and some good seasons. He probably isn't going to win any kind of championship but, on the whole, he will be acceptable, especially if he can keep the Clemson rivalry close or in our favor.

Sellers is the kind of QB SC needs. He can make plays when things break down, as they seem to do a lot with gamecock football. He wasn't highly recruited, but he has physical ability. Like Beamer, he isn't going to lead the team to a championship, but, also like Beamer, he is going to win more games than he loses.

This take is horse crap. We have a shot to make history this year. All we have to do is take care of business and then possibly the biggest home game of our history next Saturday. Win out and we’re basically guaranteed a playoff lock… you don’t want that to happen?

 

[Tngamecock]

Not arguing with you, but, ok..... let's say I buy his KY explanation. (I don't) But let's give him a pass on that one.....

How we explaining the complete and utter mis-clock management in the 2nd qtr against UT when we had just gotten a first down inside the 10 yard line and the clock was approaching the 2 minute warning.... and we hurried up and ran another play before the 2 min warning. It was stupid. You are in COMPLETE CONTROL in that situation. You have the opposing team at your mercy. The one and only thing you cannot do in that situation is mis-manage the clock and give UT the ball back with plenty of time to march right down the field and score a TD before halftime. You CANNOT do that....... and that's precisely what we did. (While keeping 3 time outs in our back pockets)

That is unforgivable, imho .....it cannot happen. But, it's forgiven and not talked about because we won the game. It's not like this is his first year as HC. This is year SIX.....you'd think he'd know how to manage the game clock / situation. See for yourself. Fast forward to the 57:40 mark and watch the inexplicable unfold.

Lol….remember when Spurrier’s team was on the 2 yard line 1st and goal and he called 4 straight faid/lobs to the corner plays in a row and we didn’t score. We all make bone head decisions.

 

[Slim Chickens Gamecock]

First off, I agree. And started a thread with much the same message back when it still looked bleak.

But the above caught my attention. Sellars played himself into those comments, right? The predominantly agreement had been that he is wildly inconsistent. He plays fantastic for stretches, and very much not so for stretches.

Now, if it was the vitriol? It did get heated, but I have a hard time getting too twisted up over that. I am also one of the old time crowd, and I remember the notion that you didn't call out the "kids". But to be honest, these "kids" are pro athletes now, and they make WAY more than a lot of us fans. The shield from criticism fell away, imo, when they became full fledged pros.

Absodamnlutely. The scrutiny ticked up big time with the pay checks. And that is fair game. One could technically say that Sellers injury play, which was a fumble and lost points was bone headed due to the clock inside a QBs head. The alarm should have sounded. Ball out incomplete, kick the field goal. Not to counter act the stately prose but just sayin. The Heart has hardened with these guys making millions. We are the only ones that truly fret a loss. They go ride on their 22’s to the club

 

[Lurker123]

This take is horse crap. We have a shot to make history this year. All we have to do is take care of business and then possibly the biggest home game of our history next Saturday. Win out and we’re basically guaranteed a playoff lock… you don’t want that to happen?

A playoff lock? Really?

 

[I4CtheFuture]

Lol….remember when Spurrier’s team was on the 2 yard line 1st and goal and he called 4 straight faid/lobs to the corner plays in a row and we didn’t score. We all make bone head decisions.

I do remember that. - I don't think he ever did it again though, to be fair.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

you don’t want that to happen?

So if you want it it just magically happens. Dang, I wish I knew that years ago.

 

[Rhode Island Dork]

Gamecock friends, going to share just a bit on some thoughts I have and as I do, the subject line above is one that I wish we as a society as a whole would practice. As it relates to our Gamecock football squad, I am amazed at the reaction of our head coach and QB1 from earlier in the year. Many fans were lambasting both Beamer and Sellers. Oh, I get the frustration as I am 65 years old and have had enough heartbreak rooting for our beloved Gamecocks, but to observe many attacking these two were surprising to me. and I found myself thinking "hold your water".

For the more difficult one to understand, the way fans were attacking Sellers and calling for Woods simpy astounds me. What Sellers is able to do and the records he is setting speaks for itself. Yes, I get 4-8 last year, but having a putrid OL and Shula shacklilng him was much of this, and we lost quite a bit on defense. I could easily see us being 2-7 if we did not have Sellers as our QB this year. His will to win and his relentless effort is incredibly contagious. His loyalty to the Gamecock FB team is refreshing (turning down a report $8M over two years) ... I have often said in this day and age of NIL and portal, you need someone who is local and/or grew up a Gamecock fan. I believe he was not necessarily in the latter camp but definitely the former. For those wanting Cutter to start, you will get your wish either next year or the year after (and I am more intrigued with Duckworth but that is another conversation). Mr. and Mrs. Sellers, thank you for your example on how to raise a son who is respectful, loyal, and a team first man.

As for Beamer, it may be easier for some to say that he has to go, but really, what he has been able to do is unsurpassed with the exception of SOS. To do this in the mighty SEC, in the age of NIL and the TR portal, and many not wanting to come to SC (and he has repeatedly stated he wants to be here) is logic defying and refreshing.

While others called for the heads and jobs of these two, I was not among them and am one who believes many things take time, especially if you have been down for a while.

If you respond, I hope it is with respect as I recognize we have differing opinions on life itself and with that being said, I suspect we all desire for our Gamecocks (all teams) are victorious every time they take the stage.

Life is good - Peace!

Ironic thread title to post right around the time of the Edmund Fitzgerald anniversary. LOL.

 

[SouthernBelly]

Kidgronkowski

I approve this moniker.

Beamer gave his reasoning for not calling a timeout. It was just a good play by Kentucky they had for just such a situation, and they probably had another. If I recall the Kentucky coach called for that two pt conversion when he didn’t have to; gutsy call, I tip my hat to him.

Not going to look it up for full context and probably should, but I remember him saying he didn’t want to call a timeout because the UK offense was discombobulated and he didn’t want to give them a chance to sort it out. I simply don’t believe that, but if that is true it begs some explanation for why he thought that. Our defenders were clearly confused, UK went right out knowing what they wanted to do, lined up with no obvious (to the TV viewer) signs of confusion and did precisely what they intended to do. And yes they didn’t have to go for two yet, that took some stones to call it. But It simply makes no sense that he nor Clayton White tried to stop the play before the snap.

 

[Lurker123]

So if you want it it just magically happens. Dang, I wish I knew that years ago.

I tried this. Yasmine Bleeth never showed up at my house.

 

[TheRoo]

Not going to look it up for full context and probably should, but I remember him saying he didn’t want to call a timeout because the UK offense was discombobulated and he didn’t want to give them a chance to sort it out. I simply don’t believe that, but if that is true it begs some explanation for why he thought that. Out defenders were clearly confused, UK went right out knowing what they wanted to do, lined up with no obvious (to the TV viewer) signs of confusion and did precisely what they intended to do. And yes they didn’t have to go for two yet, that took some stones to call it. But It simply makes no sense that he nor Clayton White tried to stop the play before the snap.

Hindsight is a powerful tool.

While it certainly can be argued this way, the staff has also made alot of good calls over the course which is the reason we are in the position we are with few games left to play.

As mentioned yesterday, the decision not to call a timeout when the announcers were calling for it on 4th down in the 4th quarter and stopping them was key to victory....but no one wants to talk about that.

 

[SouthernBelly]

Lol….remember when Spurrier’s team was on the 2 yard line 1st and goal and he called 4 straight faid/lobs to the corner plays in a row and we didn’t score. We all make bone head decisions.

I don’t remember that. I do remember two timeouts and punt.

 

[SouthernBelly]

Hindsight is a powerful tool.

While it certainly can be argued this way, the staff has also made alot of good calls over the course which is the reason we are in the position we are with few games left to play.

As mentioned yesterday, the decision not to call a timeout when the announcers were calling for it on 4th down in the 4th quarter and stopping them was key to victory....but no one wants to talk about that.

That’s not hindsight. It was clear in the moment. Pretty sure that was covered weeks ago.

 

[TheRoo]

That’s not hindsight. It was clear in the moment. Pretty sure that was covered weeks ago.

You wouldn't be discussing it if they didn't convert....Hence Hindsight.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

I tried this. Yasmine Bleeth never showed up at my house.

Then you obviously didn't want it persistently enough. Quiter.

 

[SouthernBelly]

You wouldn't be discussing it if they didn't convert....Hence Hindsight.

Hindsight has nothing to do with the conversion. Because there was a conversion it’s being discussed. One of these days you’re going to respond to what is actually said instead of what you wish was said so as to try to sound right about something. We all welcome that day.

So again, people recognized in the moment a timeout was fitting and we’re still wondering why it seems the HC nor DC didn’t see that. Let me know if I need to keep repeating the same things in simpler ways even though this ain’t complex.

 

[TheRoo]

Hindsight has nothing to do with the conversion. Because there was a conversion it’s being discussed. One of these days you’re going to respond to what is actually said instead of what you wish was said so as to try to sound right about something. We all welcome that day.

So again, people recognized in the moment a timeout was fitting and we’re still wondering why it seems the HC nor DC didn’t see that. Let me know if I need to keep repeating the same things in simpler ways even though this ain’t complex.

Hindsight is the ability to understand, recognize, or judge the nature and importance of an event only after it has already happened. [1, 2]

If you would like to point me to your post that raised concern about the call prior to the play, please do.

But you can't because you didn't.

And if they play had failed and we had won, you wouldn't be writing this post.

That's textbook hinsight but I would really love for you to try to explain for us why it isn't again.

 

[kidrobinski]

Hindsight has nothing to do with the conversion. Because there was a conversion it’s being discussed. One of these days you’re going to respond to what is actually said instead of what you wish was said so as to try to sound right about something. We all welcome that day.

So again, people recognized in the moment a timeout was fitting and we’re still wondering why it seems the HC nor DC didn’t see that. Let me know if I need to keep repeating the same things in simpler ways even though this ain’t complex.

As noted Beamer gave his reasoning, and I give him the benefit of the doubt. Kentucky didn’t just run out and run the play like it was an extra point kick as you intimated; they had scored, their coach had called for two which it appears the players didn’t expect, when they lined up their qb approached the line and audibled something, their running back you can see didn’t have a clue what was going on. We had the formation covered, our guys just effed it up. A timeout is no guarantee they would have come back out and run the same play or even have the same formation, and it still would have been guessing on our part. Good call on Kentucky, they’re allowed to make good plays too. If it didn’t work we wouldn’t even be having this discussion. I’d just like to see us give deserved credit to other teams sometimes instead of going out of our way to crap on our own. That’s low brow stuff.

 

[Lurker123]

We had the formation covered, our guys just effed it up.

Did we? Here's a link to the video of the td and the 2 point conversion.



On the conversion, we have multiple guys standing around pointing and talking while UK is snapping the ball. And those were the players that let the guy loose who caught the ball.

Edit: For some weird reason, the link i posted was to the commercial before the clip. I fixed it now.

 

[Lurker123]

One of these days you’re going to respond to what is actually said instead of what you wish was said so as to try to sound right about something. We all welcome that day.

Some of us got tired of waiting on that day YEARS ago. Then you realize he doesnt answer what was actually said because honest discussion is not what he is after.

That realization led to ignoring him, which drove him nuts enough to invent multiple handles and follow me to separate boards.

And I know it drives him crazy.

 

[TheRoo]

Some of us got tired of waiting on that day YEARS ago. Then you realize he doesnt answer what was actually said because honest discussion is not what he is after.

That realization led to ignoring him, which drove him nuts enough to invent multiple handles and follow me to separate boards.

And I know it drives him crazy.

Not gonna work Botman. If Shoemaker would be kind enough to have an original non-VIP IP address attached to each account (which I would gladly welcome), you would be badly exposed.

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[bayrooster]

Then you obviously didn't want it persistently enough. Quiter.

How about now?

 

[Lurker123]

How about now?

No. Definitely no.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

No. Definitely no.

She persistently wanted food. She was no quiter.

 

[SouthernBelly]

As noted Beamer gave his reasoning, and I give him the benefit of the doubt. Kentucky didn’t just run out and run the play like it was an extra point kick as you intimated; they had scored, their coach had called for two which it appears the players didn’t expect, when they lined up their qb approached the line and audibled something, their running back you can see didn’t have a clue what was going on. We had the formation covered, our guys just effed it up. A timeout is no guarantee they would have come back out and run the same play or even have the same formation, and it still would have been guessing on our part. Good call on Kentucky, they’re allowed to make good plays too. If it didn’t work we wouldn’t even be having this discussion. I’d just like to see us give deserved credit to other teams sometimes instead of going out of our way to crap on our own. That’s low brow stuff.

It's not crapping on your team to note what they should have done better. I didn't intimate anything, I stated what I remembered seeing, but thanks for reading into it to help make a point. Our team was confused, that much was clear. Kentucky did a good job executing as well.

 

[Lurker123]

It's not crapping on your team to note what they should have done better. I didn't intimate anything, I stated what I remembered seeing, but thanks for reading into it to help make a point. Our team was confused, that much was clear. Kentucky did a good job executing as well.

No need to rely on memory.

 

[SouthernBelly]

Hindsight is the ability to understand, recognize, or judge the nature and importance of an event only after it has already happened. [1, 2]

If you would like to point me to your post that raised concern about the call prior to the play, please do.

But you can't because you didn't.

And if they play had failed and we had won, you wouldn't be writing this post.

That's textbook hinsight but I would really love for you to try to explain for us why it isn't again.

Yeah, I'm aware of what hindsight is. You seem to not understand that people are capable of reasoning in a moment and only do so through hindsight so can't help you out anymore there so you'll just have to be wrong again.

Correct, I did not post on here in the moment it was happening. Fandom exists outside of this here website. I was not commenting on here during the game. You're welcome to check the game thread to see if others did. Or don't, I don't care. It was something I recognized it in the moment as I'm sure other did. believe or don't, doesn't matter.

And yes, had the play failed it would not be the same item of discussion I imagine. That doesn't mean the coaches handled it right.

 

[SouthernBelly]

Some of us got tired of waiting on that day YEARS ago. Then you realize he doesnt answer what was actually said because honest discussion is not what he is after.

That realization led to ignoring him, which drove him nuts enough to invent multiple handles and follow me to separate boards.

And I know it drives him crazy.

Yeah, I don't read his posts anymore unless its a direct reply to me and probably time to ignore that too. I would use the ignore feature but it seems like the type of butt plug to just make another account and try again.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

It's not crapping on your team to note what they should have done better. I didn't intimate anything, I stated what I remembered seeing, but thanks for reading into it to help make a point. Our team was confused, that much was clear. Kentucky did a good job executing as well.

You're right. I just go with math, logic, and reason. - A time out is 100% the right move. There's 11 guys out there and I guarantee you at least a few of them were EXPECTING a time out to be called......because it always is. Kinda like calling a timeout to ice kickers. Some of our guys were not expecting things to just flow into a play and we saw the results. They weren't ready. You call a timeout, go over what you're going to do and get your guys prepared mentally that a 2pt attempt is definitely coming when they go back out and line up.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

No. Definitely no.

Don't discriminate. - Buy flour. Roll er' around in the flour and go for the wet spot.

 

[Dabo's Weenie]

No. Definitely no.

You could always go the buffet route if money is an issue.

 

[Lurker123]

but it seems like the type of butt plug to just make another account and try again.

No seeming about it. His last handle here was Coopie or Coobie. He got enough of the board ignoring him that he just started over.

 

[TheRoo]

n/m