Holding

[NUSouth]

my apologies if this has already been posted but we can't let a close loss go by without complaining about the lack of holding calls.

I place the loss on 1) lack of conditioning and 2) poor play calling, but the zebras didn't help us any.

I can think of 2 big Colorado plays where there was not just holding but blatant holding with nothing called. Besides that I thought there was pass interference on the long chuck with 22 seconds left that got intercepted. Looked like the D back grabbed jersey which is normally PI

In a close game like that missed calls on a couple big plays is the difference between winning and losing.

 

[Swiv3D]

Just stop. Penalties or lack there of only hurt your chances to win games, they dont lose you them. If you're focused on blaming the obstacle rather than overcoming it you don't deserve to win either way

 

[HUSKERFAN66]

my apologies if this has already been posted but we can't let a close loss go by without complaining about the lack of holding calls.

I place the loss on 1) lack of conditioning and 2) poor play calling, but the zebras didn't help us any.

I can think of 2 big Colorado plays where there was not just holding but blatant holding with nothing called. Besides that I thought there was pass interference on the long chuck with 22 seconds left that got intercepted. Looked like the D back grabbed jersey which is normally PI

In a close game like that missed calls on a couple big plays is the difference between winning and losing.

I noticed 2, both on lbs. One on honas and the other on Barry. In both cases the ol put his arm clearly outstretched outside of his frame and completely turned them around

 

[HUSKERFAN66]

And the intentional grounding was totally B's. Someone correct me if I am wrong

 

[DerHusker_rivals270018]

What is this "Holding" you speak of? I'm unfamiliar with this term.

 

[MOhusker12]

Just stop. Penalties or lack there of only hurt your chances to win games, they dont lose you them. If you're focused on blaming the obstacle rather than overcoming it you don't deserve to win either way

People say this but you really don't know at the time that a poor call costs you the game (unless your the NO Saints). The touchdown run where they blatantly held our linebacker was terrible, if they don't score a touchdown and settle for a FG, the game never goes to OT. So yes people can argue that bad calls/non calls can cost you a game. There are a lot of bad officials out there at all levels, high school to pro. Probably more bad than good, as a high school coach, we have come to realize it is what it is.

 

[MOhusker12]

I noticed 2, both on lbs. One on honas and the other on Barry. In both cases the ol put his arm clearly outstretched outside of his frame and completely turned them around

Saw it as well, the plays were the textbook definition of holding and one led directly to a touchdown.

 

[HUSKERFAN66]

Saw it as well, the plays were the textbook definition of holding and one led directly to a touchdown.

Yep. BIG officiating. Yippee. You get some you lose some. But the bad ones really hurt

 

[jeans15]

And a, block in the, back on the 2nd big pass play.

 

[HUSKERFAN66]

I noticed 2, both on lbs. One on honas and the other on Barry. In both cases the ol put his arm clearly outstretched outside of his frame and completely turned them around

I correct myself. Actually I think one of the holds was by 38 or 39..... their te with the long hair

 

[c3o]

There were some. They weren’t called. We didn’t get any favors out there nor did we deserve to win the game. We got beat. At this point it’s just excuses.

Now, on the brighter side - we needed that loss. Remember that feeling, boys. Close the damn game! Remember the choking feeling, Frost. Let your boys fight

 

[HUSKERFAN66]

There were some. They weren’t called. We didn’t get any favors out there nor did we deserve to win the game. We got beat. At this point it’s just excuses.

Now, on the brighter side - we needed that loss. Remember that feeling, boys. Close the damn game! Remember the choking feeling, Frost. Let your boys fight

It can be a positive if you are not mentally soft. Losing should hurt more than liking to win. We'll get better. Just taking longer than most were buying into. Self included.

Coach Frost talks about doing things the right way. There's some work to be done there folks by players AND coaches. Mistakes were made by both. Understand, this is a relatively young staff as a whole in P5 football

 

[c3o]

Yeah, they are learning too. They paid him big, not as a short term answer but a long term solution. This season will be interesting to see how they respond. When they play well on both sides they can fight. But they cower pretty easy. Now that AM isn’t a Heisman hopeful and we’re out of the playoff hunt, let’s play some f#cking ball.

 

[HUSKERFAN66]

Yeah, they are learning too. They paid him big, not as a short term answer but a long term solution. This season will be interesting to see how they respond. When they play well on both sides they can fight. But they cower pretty easy. Now that AM isn’t a Heisman hopeful and we’re out of the playoff hunt, let’s play some f#cking ball.

Agreed. Long term agood thing

 

[newAD]

Maybe we should teach our OL how to get away with it like others do?

 

[9and4_rivals188421]

Yeah, they are learning too. They paid him big, not as a short term answer but a long term solution. This season will be interesting to see how they respond. When they play well on both sides they can fight. But they cower pretty easy. Now that AM isn’t a Heisman hopeful and we’re out of the playoff hunt, let’s play some f#cking ball.

This!

This was last year's Northwestern game, but that left us 0-6, after which we finished 4-2. Let's shake this off, win the next one (last year it was Minnesota at home, this year it's Northern Illinois at home), get better every day and put yourself in position to get a program-lifting upset against a favored rival, be it Ohio State, Wisconsin or Iowa.

Get better every week, get to a bowl game and let the damn chips fall where they may.

 

[Scavenger_rivals82747]

People say this but you really don't know at the time that a poor call costs you the game (unless your the NO Saints). The touchdown run where they blatantly held our linebacker was terrible, if they don't score a touchdown and settle for a FG, the game never goes to OT. So yes people can argue that bad calls/non calls can cost you a game. There are a lot of bad officials out there at all levels, high school to pro. Probably more bad than good, as a high school coach, we have come to realize it is what it is.

You realize Mo Washington's long TD catch and run had a pretty blatant hold by the WR. Not only did he fling the DB to inside leverage, but he kept holding on as the DB attempted to turn and chase. Right in front of the line judge. The throw to Viska in the end zone was about as blatant a PI as you can get as he clearly hits him and jousts his hands well before the ball gets there. Lots of missed calls in a game like this. Those 2 were worth 14 points. It comes and it goes I guess.

 

[John_J_Rambo]

You realize Mo Washington's long TD catch and run had a pretty blatant hold by the WR. Not only did he fling the DB to inside leverage, but he kept holding on as the DB attempted to turn and chase. Right in front of the line judge. The throw to Viska in the end zone was about as blatant a PI as you can get as he clearly hits him and jousts his hands well before the ball gets there. Lots of missed calls in a game like this. Those 2 were worth 14 points. It comes and it goes I guess.

I'd like to thank CU fans for being so meek and welcoming before and during the game, hosting an NU home game in boulder. Everyone associated with CU rolled over and let us pet their belly for the entire weekend + 58mins of gametime before biting our hand with rabies infested mouths.

really tough to lose a home game like that. never seen the visiting fans storm the field before, but that's what you get to do when you win.

congrats.

 

[HUSKERFAN66]

Question. On the ineligible receiver downfield call against cu, the olineman was blocking 5 yards downfield while the ball was in the air. Yes it was the right call. Would that take trump over an opi flag??

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

You realize Mo Washington's long TD catch and run had a pretty blatant hold by the WR. Not only did he fling the DB to inside leverage, but he kept holding on as the DB attempted to turn and chase. Right in front of the line judge. The throw to Viska in the end zone was about as blatant a PI as you can get as he clearly hits him and jousts his hands well before the ball gets there. Lots of missed calls in a game like this. Those 2 were worth 14 points. It comes and it goes I guess.

This. Fans always notice uncalled fouls against the opposing team, but ignore their own. We got away with a lot of crap too. The refs were not flag happy for either side.

 

[Mr.Scary13]

Getting tired of reading this....If it's a case where holding isnt being called then why in the hell is Nebraska not mauling people themselves? I'd teach my guys to hold like hell every single play and force officials to call it before I stopped.

 

[Hephusker44]

You realize Mo Washington's long TD catch and run had a pretty blatant hold by the WR. Not only did he fling the DB to inside leverage, but he kept holding on as the DB attempted to turn and chase. Right in front of the line judge. The throw to Viska in the end zone was about as blatant a PI as you can get as he clearly hits him and jousts his hands well before the ball gets there. Lots of missed calls in a game like this. Those 2 were worth 14 points. It comes and it goes I guess.

In today’s game that is never PI!

 

[Baxter48_rivals204143]

And the intentional grounding was totally B's. Someone correct me if I am wrong

This is the second time Adrian has been called for grounding like that, so I guess you can’t just simply overthrow the receiver anymore. What is more bs is when the defensive player is ready to make a tackle for a sack but the quarterback can just throw it in the stands as long as it past the line of scrimmage and out side the tackles. So after being held the defensive player gets screwed again by the quarterback just throwing it way. To me that rule needs to change

 

[TheBeav815]

If losing were such a valuable lesson these upperclassmen would all be in MENSA.

 

[TheBeav815]

This is the second time Adrian has been called for grounding like that, so I guess you can’t just simply overthrow the receiver anymore. What is more bs is when the defensive player is ready to make a tackle for a sack but the quarterback can just throw it in the stands as long as it past the line of scrimmage and out side the tackles. So after being held the defensive player gets screwed again by the quarterback just throwing it way. To me that rule needs to change

You can but there has to be a receiver. He wasn't outside the tackle box and there was no receiver near.

 

[Baxter48_rivals204143]

You can but there has to be a receiver. He wasn't outside the tackle box and there was no receiver near.

Even in the field of play? I’ve seen a lot of other quarterbacks over throw just as bad and there still in the pocket and no call.they are making a lot of these rules so gray that instead of a black and white rule there actually having the officials become the rule makers

 

[HUSKERFAN66]

You can but there has to be a receiver. He wasn't outside the tackle box and there was no receiver near.

I disagree. I deleted the game off my DVR but when I watched it Sunday he was definitely outside the left tackle. The tackle lined up between the hash and the PAC Logo. Martinez had one foot a foot or two left of the right side of the logo. No receiver, yes

 

[Baxter48_rivals204143]

I disagree. I deleted the game off my DVR but when I watched it Sunday he was definitely outside the left tackle. The tackle lined up between the hash and the PAC Logo. Martinez had one foot a foot or two left of the right side of the logo. No receiver, yes

Like I mentioned Nebraska hasn’t and will not get a marginal call from any of the big 10 refs. I’m not saying there out to get us. Looks back and the years we’ve been in the big 10, maybe 1 call the Brandon Riley going out of bounds and coming back in, other than that most questionable calls go against us

 

[Scavenger_rivals82747]

In today’s game that is never PI!

It was PI 3 times in the CSU game with less contact on the same receiver. The play can be found on youtube. Rewatch it. While there is no face guarding in college football, you can't make that much contact while the ball is in the air. He made no attempt to defend the ball and just hit the receiver. That's a foul and I'll bet if AFA does it to Viska, it will be called. Particularly a player of that caliber draws a lot of referee attention. They were obviously letting it go though so smart of the DB to go all out.

 

[jedihusker]

You can but there has to be a receiver. He wasn't outside the tackle box and there was no receiver near.

First of all, I haven't actually drawn a line on the screen, but he was outside the tackle box. The left tackle was even with the top of the Pac-12 logo, and Adrian was just outside that. Second of all, it shouldn't matter, if the refs actually knew the Intentional Grounding rule. This is exactly how the IG rule is written, taken directly from the rule book:

f. The passer to conserve time throws the ball directly to the ground (1) after the ball has already touched the ground; or (2) not immediately after controlling the ball. g. The passer to conserve time throws the ball forward into an area where there is no eligible Team A receiver (A.R. 7-3-2-II-VII). h. The passer to conserve yardage throws the ball forward into an area where there is no eligible Team A receiver (A.R. 7-3-2-I).

In all instances, and if you read all of the approved rulings, it refers SPECIFICALLY to a player throwing the ball away to prevent getting sacked, or to conserve time. Obviously he wasn't trying to conserve time by chucking the ball way down field, and it was pretty clear he was throwing the ball to where he thought a receiver (JD Spielman) was going to be, except he broke his route short; and he wasn't in imminent danger of being sacked, so he wasn't trying to prevent a sack. Over the years, I have seen numerous instances of QBs chucking the ball downfield, thinking a receiver was going to be there, only to discover somebody had misunderstood the play call, and the receiver was nowhere near. Only twice have I ever seen Intentional Grounding called on those plays, both on Adrian Martinez. Not to mention, he was out of the tackle box, and the point is moot. The refs blew on that call, plain and simple.

 

[NUSouth]

Like I mentioned Nebraska hasn’t and will not get a marginal call from any of the big 10 refs. I’m not saying there out to get us. Looks back and the years we’ve been in the big 10, maybe 1 call the Brandon Riley going out of bounds and coming back in, other than that most questionable calls go against us

I may be remembering wrong on this but I seem to recall a couple years ago vs Iowa or Wisconsin, (some team that always has minimal penalties), that there was a holding call on the opposition. The TV put up a note that Nebraska had the longest streak in D1 of opponents not having a holding penalty and that hold broke the string. It wasn't 3-4 games either, it was 3-4 years. Then again with the Riley defense there was no need to hold. But, it f I'm remembering correctly, no holding calls against our opponents is not something new.

 

[Baxter48_rivals204143]

It

I may be remembering wrong on this but I seem to recall a couple years ago vs Iowa or Wisconsin, (some team that always has minimal penalties), that there was a holding call on the opposition. The TV put up a note that Nebraska had the longest streak in D1 of opponents not having a holding penalty and that hold broke the string. It wasn't 3-4 games either, it was 3-4 years. Then again with the Riley defense there was no need to hold. But, it f I'm remembering correctly, no holding calls against our opponents is not something new.

it was 2 years without a holding penalty

 

[TruHusker]

Perhaps you can tell me the definition of holding, you do realize some holding is legal?

 

[Baxter48_rivals204143]

Perhaps you can tell me the definition of holding, you do realize some holding is legal?

I believe each group of officials has there own definition

 

[MOhusker12]

Question. On the ineligible receiver downfield call against cu, the olineman was blocking 5 yards downfield while the ball was in the air. Yes it was the right call. Would that take trump over an opi flag??

I agree should have been also been opi which was missed by the refs.

 

[TruHusker]

I believe each group of officials has there own definition

Well, technically they all have the same definition but different interpretations. Either way, it is a lame and worn out excuse.

 

[Baxter48_rivals204143]

Well, technically they all have the same definition but different interpretations. Either way, it is a lame and worn out excuse.

I agree

 

[allong69ks]

my apologies if this has already been posted but we can't let a close loss go by without complaining about the lack of holding calls.

I place the loss on 1) lack of conditioning and 2) poor play calling, but the zebras didn't help us any.

I can think of 2 big Colorado plays where there was not just holding but blatant holding with nothing called. Besides that I thought there was pass interference on the long chuck with 22 seconds left that got intercepted. Looked like the D back grabbed jersey which is normally PI

In a close game like that missed calls on a couple big plays is the difference between winning and losing.

Because we all know that Nebraska had never gotten away with a hold, right?

I hate to break it to you, but there's holding on every play in a football game...even by Nebraska. They obviously don't all get called.

 

[dtownbuff]

my apologies if this has already been posted but we can't let a close loss go by without complaining about the lack of holding calls.

I place the loss on 1) lack of conditioning and 2) poor play calling, but the zebras didn't help us any.

I can think of 2 big Colorado plays where there was not just holding but blatant holding with nothing called. Besides that I thought there was pass interference on the long chuck with 22 seconds left that got intercepted. Looked like the D back grabbed jersey which is normally PI

In a close game like that missed calls on a couple big plays is the difference between winning and losing.

Ill trade you the holding calls missed on both sides with the pass interface calls that were missed on Nebraska three times with the biggest being the absolute mugging on Viska late in the end zone that even the really great guys from Nebraska sitting next to me were in shock over that it wasn't called. Refs never ever lose a game for a team.

 

[SPbObRT]

big 10 refs. people stop with the excuses, we got beat, it's not the ref's fault stop just stop. they outscored us we lost, move on but don't be so pity to blame the ref's.