Homegrown versus Islamic terrorism

Boomboom521

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since 9/11, 48 terrorist attacks on US soil have been carried out by non-Islamic extremists versus 26 attacks by Islamic extremists. Nearly double the amount of US deaths were by the hands of non-Islamic terrorists than by Islamic terrorists.
I personally found these numbers to be surprising. I am in no way saying that Islamic extremists pose no threat to US citizens, but am simply curious to see what we can do to prevent deaths from the most pressing form of terrorism active in the country.
The recent attack in Quebec on a mosque by a self proclaimed Trump supporter was a result of ultra-nationalist anti-Islamic extremism born from social media sensationalism. Maybe a desire to whip up public fervor towards Islamic terrorists has created a problem in itself?
 

WVPATX

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since 9/11, 48 terrorist attacks on US soil have been carried out by non-Islamic extremists versus 26 attacks by Islamic extremists. Nearly double the amount of US deaths were by the hands of non-Islamic terrorists than by Islamic terrorists.
I personally found these numbers to be surprising. I am in no way saying that Islamic extremists pose no threat to US citizens, but am simply curious to see what we can do to prevent deaths from the most pressing form of terrorism active in the country.
The recent attack in Quebec on a mosque by a self proclaimed Trump supporter was a result of ultra-nationalist anti-Islamic extremism born from social media sensationalism. Maybe a desire to whip up public fervor towards Islamic terrorists has created a problem in itself?

Link please. I wonder if they included the lib that flew his small plane into a building in Austin?
 

PriddyBoy

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since 9/11, 48 terrorist attacks on US soil have been carried out by non-Islamic extremists versus 26 attacks by Islamic extremists. Nearly double the amount of US deaths were by the hands of non-Islamic terrorists than by Islamic terrorists.
I personally found these numbers to be surprising. I am in no way saying that Islamic extremists pose no threat to US citizens, but am simply curious to see what we can do to prevent deaths from the most pressing form of terrorism active in the country.
The recent attack in Quebec on a mosque by a self proclaimed Trump supporter was a result of ultra-nationalist anti-Islamic extremism born from social media sensationalism. Maybe a desire to whip up public fervor towards Islamic terrorists has created a problem in itself?
They are calling 48 deaths 48 terrorist attacks. Were the Colorado movie theater and a Connecticut elementary school in 2012 ideologically motivated? I don't recall that. I certainly wouldn't look for ways to NOT call it terrorism like President Obama did with Ft. Hood. The Charleston killings are a no brainer and I hope authorities are all over that young nut-job's circle of influence. Quebec? That's in Iowa, right? I'm curious why the Orlando and San Bernardino attacks aren't included.

While I think the New York Times credibility cratered A long time ago, at least I could read it. My computer gave me a brief glimpse of the Washington Express version before blocking it for security risks.
 

WVPATX

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They are calling 48 deaths 48 terrorist attacks. Were the Colorado movie theater and a Connecticut elementary school in 2012 ideologically motivated? I don't recall that. I certainly wouldn't look for ways to NOT call it terrorism like President Obama did with Ft. Hood. The Charleston killings are a no brainer and I hope authorities are all over that young nut-job's circle of influence. Quebec? That's in Iowa, right? I'm curious why the Orlando and San Bernardino attacks aren't included.

While I think the New York Times credibility cratered A long time ago, at least I could read it. My computer gave me a brief glimpse of the Washington Express version before blocking it for security risks.
They are calling 48 deaths 48 terrorist attacks. Were the Colorado movie theater and a Connecticut elementary school in 2012 ideologically motivated? I don't recall that. I certainly wouldn't look for ways to NOT call it terrorism like President Obama did with Ft. Hood. The Charleston killings are a no brainer and I hope authorities are all over that young nut-job's circle of influence. Quebec? That's in Iowa, right? I'm curious why the Orlando and San Bernardino attacks aren't included.

While I think the New York Times credibility cratered A long time ago, at least I could read it. My computer gave me a brief glimpse of the Washington Express version before blocking it for security risks.

ter·ror·ism
ˈterəˌrizəm/
noun
  1. the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
    "the fight against terrorism"

Each incident cited must be judged based on "political aims." Not all killings or even mass killings is terrorism.
 

WVPATX

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Boom, you made this claim:

since 9/11, 48 terrorist attacks on US soil have been carried out by non-Islamic extremists versus 26 attacks by Islamic extremists. Nearly double the amount of US deaths were by the hands of non-Islamic terrorists than by Islamic terrorists.

You then posted links that I perused. I did not see those stats in these reports (mostly far, far left reports). Maybe I missed something. Can you provide a link or copy and paste on all the deaths caused by domestic terrrists?

In addition, let's assume you're right and that we have a huge problem of domestic terrorism that eats up valuable FBI time to monitor, investigate, track, try and prevent and then defend against. With all this domestic stuff happening, why should we invite even more potential terrorism by admitting people with improper vetting (e.g. San Bernandino) stretching precious resources even further?

It's like saying we have a huge driving under the influence of alcohol problem, so let's legalize drugs and only increase the problem.
 

WVPATX

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And the neo nazi that shot up the black church.

He got the death penalty, right? And I can give you several leftists as well, like the leftists that tried to shoot up the Family Research Council only to be stopped by a police officer that was shot.

What about the Black Panthers? The Weather Underground? Students for a Democratic Society? Black Lives Matter and their riots? Occupy Wall Street? What about the Eco terrorists? Riots on campuses? Environmental activists?

The right is not the sole possessor of terrorism to achieve agendas.

From the FBI:

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/testimony/the-terrorist-threat-confronting-the-united-states

Domestic Terrorism

Domestic right-wing terrorist groups often adhere to the principles of racial supremacy and embrace antigovernment, antiregulatory beliefs. Generally, extremist right-wing groups engage in activity that is protected by constitutional guarantees of free speech and assembly. Law enforcement becomes involved when the volatile talk of these groups transgresses into unlawful action.

On the national level, formal right-wing hate groups, such as the National Alliance, the World Church of the Creator (WCOTC) and the Aryan Nations, represent a continuing terrorist threat. Although efforts have been made by some extremist groups to reduce openly racist rhetoric in order to appeal to a broader segment of the population and to focus increased attention on antigovernment sentiment, racism-based hatred remains an integral component of these groups’ core orientations.

Right-wing groups continue to represent a serious terrorist threat. Two of the seven planned acts of terrorism prevented in 1999 were potentially large-scale, high-casualty attacks being planned by organized right-wing extremist groups.

The second category of domestic terrorists, left-wing groups, generally profess a revolutionary socialist doctrine and view themselves as protectors of the people against the “dehumanizing effects” of capitalism and imperialism. They aim to bring about change in the United States and believe that this change can be realized through revolution rather than through the established political process. From the 1960s to the 1980s, leftist-oriented extremist groups posed the most serious domestic terrorist threat to the United States. In the 1980s, however, the fortunes of the leftist movement changed dramatically as law enforcement dismantled the infrastructure of many of these groups, and the fall of communism in Eastern Europe deprived the movement of its ideological foundation and patronage.

Terrorist groups seeking to secure full Puerto Rican independence from the United States through violent means represent one of the remaining active vestiges of left-wing terrorism. While these groups believe that bombings alone will not result in change, they view these acts of terrorism as a means by which to draw attention to their desire for independence. During the 1970s and 1980s numerous leftist groups, including extremist Puerto Rican separatist groups such as the armed forces for Puerto Rican National Liberation (FALN—Fuerzas Armadas de Liberacion Nacional Puertorriquena), carried out bombings on the U.S. mainland, primarily in and around New York City. However, just as the leftist threat in general declined dramatically throughout the 1990s, the threat posed by Puerto Rican extremist groups to mainland U.S. communities decreased during the past decade.

Acts of terrorism continue to be perpetrated, however, by violent separatists in Puerto Rico. As noted, three acts of terrorism and one suspected act of terrorism have taken place in various Puerto Rican locales during the past four years. These acts (including the March 31, 1998 bombing of a superaquaduct project in Arecibo, the bombings of bank offices in Rio Piedras and Santa Isabel in June 1998, and the bombing of a highway in Hato Rey in 1999) remain under investigation. The extremist Puerto Rican separatist group, Los Macheteros, is suspected in each of these attacks. The FBI has not recorded any acts of terrorism in Puerto Rico since 1999.

Anarchists and extremist socialist groups—many of which, such as the workers’ world party, reclaim the streets, and carnival against capitalism, have an international presence—at times also represent a potential threat in the United States. For example, anarchists, operating individually and in groups, caused much of the damage during the 1999 WTO ministerial meeting in Seattle.The third category of domestic terrorism, special interest terrorism differs from traditional right-wing and left-wing terrorism in that extremist special interest groups seek to resolve specific issues, rather than effect widespread political change. Special interest extremists continue to conduct acts of politically motivated violence to force segments of society, including the general public, to change attitudes about issues considered important to their causes. These groups occupy the extreme fringes of animal rights, pro-life, environmental, anti-nuclear, and other movements. Some special interest extremists—most notably within the animal rights and environmental movements—have turned increasingly toward vandalism and terrorist activity in attempts to further their causes.

In recent years, the Animal Liberation Front (ALF)—an extremist animal rights movement—has become one of the most active extremist elements in the United States. Despite the destructive aspects of ALF’s operations, its operational philosophy discourages acts that harm “any animal, human and nonhuman.” Animal rights groups in the United States, including ALF, have generally adhered to this mandate. A distinct but related group, the Earth Liberation Front (ELF), claimed responsibility for the arson fires set at a Vail (Colorado) ski resort in October 1998, which caused 12 million dollars in damages. This incident remains under investigation. Seven terrorist incidents occurring in the United States during 2000 have been attributed to either ALF or ELF. Several additional acts committed during 2001 are currently being reviewed for possible designation as terrorist incidents.
 

dave

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since 9/11, 48 terrorist attacks on US soil have been carried out by non-Islamic extremists versus 26 attacks by Islamic extremists. Nearly double the amount of US deaths were by the hands of non-Islamic terrorists than by Islamic terrorists.
I personally found these numbers to be surprising. I am in no way saying that Islamic extremists pose no threat to US citizens, but am simply curious to see what we can do to prevent deaths from the most pressing form of terrorism active in the country.
The recent attack in Quebec on a mosque by a self proclaimed Trump supporter was a result of ultra-nationalist anti-Islamic extremism born from social media sensationalism. Maybe a desire to whip up public fervor towards Islamic terrorists has created a problem in itself?
Both are a problem but the solution to both is very different.
 

PriddyBoy

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LOL, what are right-wing ideologies? What are Other/unknown ideologies? Anti-government attacks could use a little more clarification. Aren't all acts of terrorism anti-government? The dates in the study explain the absence of the Orlando and San Bernardino attacks. I'm going to pass on reading the other links and just concede. No more vetting!
 
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I was simply trying to point out it goes both ways. You have read me here many times denouncing BLM.

I can't believe the Feds under Obama were so tolerant of either right or left. I am very much a law and order conservative when it comes to violent protest or right wingers taking public property
 

WVPATX

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I was simply trying to point out it goes both ways. You have read me here many times denouncing BLM.

I can't believe the Feds under Obama were so tolerant of either right or left. I am very much a law and order conservative when it comes to violent protest or right wingers taking public property

Oh, I agree with you. This one does go both ways. But Boom only focused on right wing extremism.

BTW, left wingers also take public property.
 

Boomboom521

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Boom, you made this claim:

since 9/11, 48 terrorist attacks on US soil have been carried out by non-Islamic extremists versus 26 attacks by Islamic extremists. Nearly double the amount of US deaths were by the hands of non-Islamic terrorists than by Islamic terrorists.

You then posted links that I perused. I did not see those stats in these reports (mostly far, far left reports). Maybe I missed something. Can you provide a link or copy and paste on all the deaths caused by domestic terrrists?

In addition, let's assume you're right and that we have a huge problem of domestic terrorism that eats up valuable FBI time to monitor, investigate, track, try and prevent and then defend against. With all this domestic stuff happening, why should we invite even more potential terrorism by admitting people with improper vetting (e.g. San Bernandino) stretching precious resources even further?

It's like saying we have a huge driving under the influence of alcohol problem, so let's legalize drugs and only increase the problem.
The department of Sociology at UNC and Duke is considered far, far left?

The numbers were taken from a NY Times article, based on a study conducted by New America (no doubt a leftist organization in your mind).

However, I also read two works that also focus on domestic terror threats. One I already included was written by terrorism experts at West Point (far enough right for you?), the other listed below if from the FBI and it is a detailed report of terror incidents.

https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005
 

WVPATX

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The department of Sociology at UNC and Duke is considered far, far left?

The numbers were taken from a NY Times article, based on a study conducted by New America (no doubt a leftist organization in your mind).

However, I also read two works that also focus on domestic terror threats. One I already included was written by terrorism experts at West Point (far enough right for you?), the other listed below if from the FBI and it is a detailed report of terror incidents.

https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005

Yes, Boom, both UNC and Duke are far left academic institutions. No reasonable person could possibly disagree. And yes, the NY Times is a far left paper. If I posted something from Liberty University or Hillsdale College, you would be suspect.

Once again, show me the specifics of the claim you made with respect to:

since 9/11, 48 terrorist attacks on US soil have been carried out by non-Islamic extremists versus 26 attacks by Islamic extremists. Nearly double the amount of US deaths were by the hands of non-Islamic terrorists than by Islamic terrorists.

Then I can judged for myself if the domestic attacks were really terrorism.
 

Boomboom521

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So now institutions of higher learning are either far left or far right? Newspapers and news media are either far left or far right ...with maybe a handfull of unbiased journalists?

The paranoid. conspiracy seeking, divisive. reactionary mindset of the American populous is by far the most pressing problem we face as a nation.
And no, to answer your question, if you showed me a study conducted by the sociology department at Liberty University, I would read it with all seriousness. I have faith in the desire for many Americans to lay down their political arms when attempting to find truth (especially in science in Academia). I understand the bias in media, but I don't understand the vicious need to polarize everything.
 

WVPATX

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So now institutions of higher learning are either far left or far right? Newspapers and news media are either far left or far right ...with maybe a handfull of unbiased journalists?

The paranoid. conspiracy seeking, divisive. reactionary mindset of the American populous is by far the most pressing problem we face as a nation.
And no, to answer your question, if you showed me a study conducted by the sociology department at Liberty University, I would read it with all seriousness. I have faith in the desire for many Americans to lay down their political arms when attempting to find truth (especially in science in Academia). I understand the bias in media, but I don't understand the vicious need to polarize everything.

Boom, you simply can't be this naive. Look at all the polls of colleges? Look at the percentages of Dems vs. Conservatives. 5 or 6 to 1. Look at the donations of these schools. The vast majority to Dems.

And yes, the same with the media. Look at the polls. Many, many more journalists define themselves as Dems, at least 5-1 or so. Same with donations. We do have unbiased journalists, but in the vast minority.

This is not paranoia. This is FACT. And as I have said, you are very, very naive if you believe colleges and the media is neutral. Skepticism is in order.

Again, give me your stats to back up your original post.
 
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Boom, you simply can't be this naive. Look at all the polls of colleges? Look at the percentages of Dems vs. Conservatives. 5 or 6 to 1. Look at the donations of these schools. The vast majority to Dems.

And yes, the same with the media. Look at the polls. Many, many more journalists define themselves as Dems, at least 5-1 or so. Same with donations. We do have unbiased journalists, but in the vast minority.

This is not paranoia. This is FACT. And as I have said, you are very, very naive if you believe colleges and the media is neutral. Skepticism is in order.

Again, give me your stats to back up your original post.

Who was it yesterday or Thursday that said colleges weren't bastions of liberalism any longer. One of the righties on here said that
 

WVPATX

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Who was it yesterday or Thursday that said colleges weren't bastions of liberalism any longer. One of the righties on here said that

I have no idea, but they are very, very wrong. What do you think? Are universities by and large liberal in this country? And in many,many cases, very liberal?
 

Airport

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Who was it yesterday or Thursday that said colleges weren't bastions of liberalism any longer. One of the righties on here said that

One of the liberal posters said that the university he went to didn't indoctrinate him. No wonder he would say that, he was already crazy.[roll]