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[GMAN81]

This is a baseball subject. But this whole Adam LaRoche and son thing is ridiculous and isn't even about whether his son can be in the club house or not...or even cutting back.

Do you think we would be having this conversation if LaRoche had hit 40 HRs and drove in 100+ runs last year? Neither do I. They tried to trade him all winter and even offered to eat part of his salary. No takers. So, LaRoche shows up this spring and hits a homerun in his first spring training game. Then he hurts his back and has been out since March 5th.

I think this order came from the thief, Reinsdorf...who handed it down to his puppet, Williams. So then, Williams lies to the players about it and Sale loses his mind. Good luck re-signing him. Way to go Reinsdorf. Now you have a club house problem that didn't exist before. The club house attitude was coming around. Now this.

This is all about getting rid of LaRoche and dumping his salary. A friend told me Reinsdorf created the same environment just before the Bulls season last year and had guys like Paxon do his dirty work, like Williams.

Sorry for the rant.

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/sale-stages-trong-show-of-support-for-laroches-in-sox-clubhouse/

 

[anon_4vszfu35bv677]

Sorry I disagree. No kid should be coming to the work place every day he should be at school!

And the white sox players should grow the hell up.

 

[SiuCubFan8]

Sorry I disagree. No kid should be coming to the work place every day he should be at school!

And the white sox players should grow the hell up.

I agree. Though they never should have let it happen last year.

 

[crusader_of_90]

Depends upon what was agreed upon - memorialized or not. An agreement should stand.

Then again, Matt Holliday of the Cardinals remarked about his position with his sons (paraphrased closely) "if guys don't have to alter conversations or actions, then my boys can be around."

No one needs to hear their old man get blasted for ******* up nor should a coach/manager have to worry about that. Or trust a teen not to share shot online.

Then again, eduarado Perez talked about his education in the dugout - even getting cussed out by Pete rose for dicking around.

 

[GMAN81]

I agree with Crusader. If that was the agreement, and it was last year, then the agreement should stand. Like I said, if LaRoche had a great year last year and started off good this year nothing would have been said. The timing of all of this is very fishy.

Top that off with Kenny Williams telling the players one thing and telling the coaches another and then coming up with a third story. This order came from the top. Reinsdorf needs to sell this team and get the hell out of Chicago. I find it hilarious that Reinsdorf said he will investigate it. Hahaha!

If you make an agreement, then you have to stick to it.

Most people I know who are discussing this are talking about a ballplayer and whether his son should be allowed in the club house. That isn't the big picture. The real story is about the thief Reinsdorf and his puppet, Williams, attempting to get rid of a ball player. When trade attempt failed they came up with another way to accomplish it. They are both rotten as hell and I hope Sales leaves too when his time comes.

And Kenny Williams is no one to tell a man what he can do with his son. Maybe if Williams had kept his eye on his own son and did a better job of raising him, the kid wouldn't have gotten in trouble like he has.

 

[anon_4vszfu35bv677]

I disagree again. The kid was there full time. Why wasn't he in school? To me Williams was taking on the bad guy role responding to what some players were complaining about. Perhaps some of the new players?

Anyway, the Sox should grow up. This kind of crap almost makes me want to be a cub fan...

 

[GMAN81]

I disagree again. The kid was there full time. Why wasn't he in school? To me Williams was taking on the bad guy role responding to what some players were complaining about. Perhaps some of the new players?

Anyway, the Sox should grow up. This kind of crap almost makes me want to be a cub fan...

The kid was being home schooled. No problem with that. I'll be willing to bet his school grades are good or very good.

There was NO excuse for Williams to lie. None. None of the players are saying they heard complaints. So, there is no proof of players complaining. Williams said that and I don't trust him or Reinsdorf.

I do agree that Williams may have taken on the bad guy role because this came down from Reinsdorf. I am in 100% agreement with Sale. This was BS and again, it really isn't about whether a kid can come in the club house or not. It was about getting rid of a player, by the owner, to dump the salary. They tried to trade him all winter.

I will say again, the timing of all of this was very fishy. Like I said before, good luck trying to re-sign Sale in the future. Reinsdorf and Williams both need to get the hell out of Chicago. Reinsdorf can't sell this team fast enough for me.

 

[GMAN81]

I The kid was there full time. Why wasn't he in school?

I thought about this a little bit more and quite frankly the comeback is laughable. Think about it. Do you really think the kid can't read or write? Do you think he can't spell or have a working knowledge of history? Do you think he can't speak properly or in complete sentences? I guarantee all of this is fine. His dad is a millionaire who is family oriented and I am sure there is probably home schooling along with private tutors to complete his education requirements. This is no objection. PLUS, he has probably learned a decent amount of Spanish in the time he has spent in club houses.

And he is learning, first hand, things such as what people of other cultures think, how they live and how people of different races and cultures can get along with a common goal. I guarantee you, that's something he won't learn in any school. He has to be outside of school to actually learn it.

I have had a few people ask me that question and they are so "outraged" the kid isn't going to school somewhere. What about the 16 year-old little gang banger who is really isn't in school and is doing drugs and shooting people? Where is the outrage over that? Know what he is learning? How to die young or end up in prison.

The White Sox play most of their home games during the week at night. From what I understand the kid doesn't go on the road. Not sure about that, but if he does that's where the private tutors come in. If the kid only goes to home games I am guessing LaRoche probably had to leave home around 2:00 to get to the club house. No earlier. So, the kid could do his schooling from 8:00 A.M. till 2:00 P.M. which meets state requirements.

I have had people ask me what LaRoche is teaching his kid. They ask, "is he teaching his kid to walk away from teammates when he doesn't get his way?" I say: "no, he isn't. He's teaching his kid that when you make a deal, either on paper or with a handshake you honor your end of the deal." That's what honest men do. And Reinsdorf and Williams are both dishonest. They are the ones to blame here not LaRoche. His son just got a real good life lesson on people who breach trust.

 

[BretEpic]

LaRoche is an ignorant dolt, living in the dream world of pro athletes. Kid does not belong in a pro clubhouse, and should take this dose of reality along with his dad.

Good riddance

 

[GMAN81]

LaRoche is an ignorant dolt, living in the dream world of pro athletes. Kid does not belong in a pro clubhouse, and should take this dose of reality along with his dad.

Good riddance

A deal is a deal. Period.

 

[BretEpic]

A deal is a deal. Period.

Nothing signed, lol at that "deal"

 

[anon_4vszfu35bv677]

Dr do you have an agreement to take your kid to work everyday?

No one I know does either. Once in a while ok but every freaking day????

 

[GMAN81]

LWE, maybe you are taking it that way from my posts, but I don't think the kid belongs in the club house either which makes me wonder why the White Sox would even agree to such a thing. All of that should have been ironed out in the beginning and if Williams or Reinsdorf had a problem with it they could have said something then. Then if the Sox didn't agree to it, they could have wished LaRoche luck as he looked for another team.

I compared the kid being in the club house to where he could be, as in the gang-banging thing.

To me, anyone who is focusing on just the kid being in the club house is missing a much larger point and missing the big picture.

There is no doubt in my mind this all came down from Reinsdorf. He wanted to get rid of LaRoche, without paying him of course, and this is how he did it. Reinsdorf single-handedly destroyed the Bulls. This guy has a history of crap like this. Why does he never fire managers unless their contracts are up or nearly up? Because the thief doesn't want to have to pay them. That's exactly why he didn't release LaRoche, even though he didn't want him on the team. Then that POS sends his GMs, or in this case, his VP to do his dirty work.

Did you notice that none of the chicken-**** Chicago sports writers are going near Reinsdorf on this? They are scared as hell of him. Remember Jay Mariotti? No, I didn't care much for him either but he was the only Chicago sportswriter that I can recall who actually went after owners like Reinsdorf about crap like this and his take on this would be like mine. He was run out of Chicago and I guarantee Reinsdorf had something to do with that. So, these chicken-**** sportswriters of today focus on the smaller picture and make that the argument instead of exposing Reinsdorf as being the rotten S-O-B he is.

If the White Sox get off to a bad start again this year, you can bet everyone will point to this event. And if Sale is traded before the trade deadline you will know the fix was in.

OK , I am done, you stated your point and I stated mine. Time to move on.

 

[GMAN81]

Nothing signed, lol at that "deal"

Very true, but, believe it or not, verbal agreements have held up in court. Hard to do though.

 

[BretEpic]

Very true, but, believe it or not, verbal agreements have held up in court. Hard to do though.

The fact Laroche quit on the team rather than take legal recourse speaks volumes to his commitment to the team.

 

[mchsalumni]

@Dr. Mirakle, you seem a tad bit jaded about Reinsdorf, which is clouding your judgement here. This guy quit on his team, whether the White Sox wanted him to do this or not doesn't matter. Take his slash line and move along, he was terrible last year.

 

[GMAN81]

@Dr. Mirakle, you seem a tad bit jaded about Reinsdorf, which is clouding your judgement here. This guy quit on his team, whether the White Sox wanted him to do this or not doesn't matter. Take his slash line and move along, he was terrible last year.

You are also missing the big picture here. I am jaded about Reinsdorf based on actual occurrences in the past. Reinsdorf has a history of crap like this with the Bulls and Sox and GMs, VPs and players get the blame. Of course LaRoche was terrible last year which makes my point. If LaRoche hit 30+ homeruns and drove in 90+ runs last year do you think we would be having this discussion? Neither do I. Reinsdorf is scum and needs to sell this team.

I am also very disappointed, BUT not surprised by the lack of stones in the media to call this what it really is. You can bet some of these guys in the media over a few cocktails and in secret are saying the same thing I am.

I can picture the meeting between Reinsdorf and Williams discussing LaRoche, AFTER his back injury this spring. The back injury was the final straw. So he's out a couple of weeks and the thief and his puppet get together to figure out a way to get rid of that guy. Their goal was to make it as difficult as possible for LaRoche to continue and get paid 13M, so they concocted this. The thief, or the thief and the puppet came up with the plan and the puppet executed that plan. If you think this kind of thing doesn't go on in front offices around the league when they have a guy like LaRoche making this kind of money and not producing, you are VERY naive.

I am not excusing what LaRoche did, BUT he did it in retaliation to something that shouldn't have happened in the first place and then was lied about. That is why Sale was pissed. LaRoche did, most likely, what the thief and the puppet thought he would do...for them, problem solved.

The deal, whether verbal or not, was altered and it wasn't because of some kid in the club house. That's the scapegoat. It really was because of the lack of production by LaRoche and Reinsdorf's desire to get rid of him. If LaRoche isn't producing, fine. Then release him and don't try to BS intelligent people with this crap and lies and different stories to different people. I can't believe how many people are falling for this. Let's see what happens to Sale. I would bet even money he's gone before his contract expires. This whole thing is all about money and the fact Reinsdorf didn't want to pay it...as usual.

 

[SiuCubFan8]

I don't think there is some conspiracy theory that this was done to push LaRoche out. I think it is pretty clear someone on the team voiced a complaint and they reviewed the policy. To me, the question is who made the complaint?

This was not handled very well though, no doubt.

 

[Bwm57]

What does Reinsdorf is a "thief" mean?

 

[biglatte]

No kid should be in the clubhouse everyday. No kid should be around that many grown men in that setting. I am pretty sure that some of the players complained to management about it, with the kid there they had to curb what they said how how they acted and they shouldn't have to worry about that in the locker room. But what is most upsetting is that Adam Eaton said that the kid was a leader on the team . If a 14 year old who does not play on the team is a leader that shows you right their what kind of dysfunction their is on this team. The team will really miss that .209 batting average and the over a hundred strikeouts though

 

[GMAN81]

What does Reinsdorf is a "thief" mean?

I can't write what I really think of him here. Some PC people here might think it's offensive. But, if you've ever seen the movie "Eight Men Out" Kevin Tighe, as Sport Sullivan, speaks a line to his fellow gambler while waiting in a train station as they receive money that is supposed to go to the players for throwing the 1919 World Series. In that line he uses two words to describe gambler and gangster Arnold Rothstein, played by Michael Lerner, who supplied that money. Those the two words are the ones I actually use to describe Reinsdorf.

 

[Bwm57]

Can't say that I agree with your perspective, but, to each his own.