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But do we know for a fact Stoops is micromanaging the offense?
I suspect he is but we don't know for sure.
I suspect he is but we don't know for sure.
And don't forget to line up correctly, follow through on your routes and blocking assignments, and communicate with each other.
I don't think Dawson has been restricted much at all. I just don't think he's that good. I think Stoops is starting to help b/c Dawson hasn't done well.
AGREED AIR RAID would not continue to run the ball up the middle without loosening the defense up first. There has been no AIR RAID since Stoops took over except first half first game this year and maybe part of South Carolina game.
Stoops can't even micromanage the defense competently and he's supposed to be a defensive specialist. But yes, I think he is butting in too much, especially on the offense and has not given his co-ordinator the green light.
Serious question: Which of the following is more plausible?
1. Stoops can hire anyone that he wants to. So, Stoops hires a high octane spread/Air Raid OC. The personnel is really, really poor........poor enough that the OC can't run the offense that he desires, but does the best with what he has to work with in yr 1. Then in yr 2 takes the offense a little more towards the direction they want to go. The OC then leaves for a HC position at a school that has a special place in his heart. Stoops then hires another spread/Air Raid OC. The personnel still isn't great but it should be fair to run the offense......but the OC is basically a rookie OC. He hasn't called plays in >5 yrs......and when he did call plays a while back it was at schools that are closer to juco competition rather then SEC competition. The OC doesn't do a good job. Stoops feels the pressure from a really struggling offense, steps in to provide some help.
2. Stoops has the choice to hire anyone he wants......especially considering their styles. He chooses to hire a proven high octane spread/Air Raid OC even though he wants to run a power run offense. Even though he's a defensive coach, he meddles and meddles to the point where the OC leaves after 2 yrs. He then chooses who he wants to......choosing a spread/Air Raid guy even though he wants to completely change the offense into a power rushing attack. The offense tanks.
Seriously, the idea that Stoops is micro-managing the offense and telling the OC's how to do their job completely is illogical. And to do it twice......first to Brown and then hire yet another guy who runs a similar offense to Brown.........just doesn't make sense.
1. Stoops can hire anyone that he wants to. So, Stoops hires a high octane spread/Air Raid OC. The personnel is really, really poor........poor enough that the OC can't run the offense that he desires, but does the best with what he has to work with in yr 1. Then in yr 2 takes the offense a little more towards the direction they want to go. The OC then leaves for a HC position at a school that has a special place in his heart. Stoops then hires another spread/Air Raid OC. The personnel still isn't great but it should be fair to run the offense......but the OC is basically a rookie OC. He hasn't called plays in >5 yrs......and when he did call plays a while back it was at schools that are closer to juco competition rather then SEC competition. The OC doesn't do a good job. Stoops feels the pressure from a really struggling offense, steps in to provide some help.
2. Stoops has the choice to hire anyone he wants......especially considering their styles. He chooses to hire a proven high octane spread/Air Raid OC even though he wants to run a power run offense. Even though he's a defensive coach, he meddles and meddles to the point where the OC leaves after 2 yrs. He then chooses who he wants to......choosing a spread/Air Raid guy even though he wants to completely change the offense into a power rushing attack. The offense tanks.
Seriously, the idea that Stoops is micro-managing the offense and telling the OC's how to do their job completely is illogical. And to do it twice......first to Brown and then hire yet another guy who runs a similar offense to Brown.........just doesn't make sense.
UK hires 2 different pass happy OC's, they've shown this at previous schools.
Under those OC's the offense hasn't looked very much like an air raid. Neither uses short passes and slants much, or over the middle, or tight ends.
I'm no OC but I'm gonna guess those are HUGE components of the air raid. That tells me it's not the OC, that either Stoops is reigning them in, doubtful, or you've got a QB you don't trust.
Under those OC's the offense hasn't looked very much like an air raid. Neither uses short passes and slants much, or over the middle, or tight ends.
I'm no OC but I'm gonna guess those are HUGE components of the air raid. That tells me it's not the OC, that either Stoops is reigning them in, doubtful, or you've got a QB you don't trust.
It's highly likely that Brown and Dawson have both had qb's they don't trust in the slightest. Brown had Whitlow his first year, who wasn't even his high school's starting qb, and towles. Dawson has had towles up to this point. Lets see if things open up this saturday with Barker at the helm.
^Once again, you mention the personnel. It if far more likely that the poor offense we've seen is a result of poor OC and personnel issues rather than HC issues.
-If Stoops wanted to run the ball, then why hire 2 guys known for their passing? And then why would Stoops say repeatedly in the media that he wanted to have an explosive, high tempo offense, that was a little biased to pass.
-Brown had little to no o-line......very few WR's.......no TE's.......and absolutely no QB. (although he did have a few good RB's) It's no wonder why he ran the ball a lot in yr 1. And as his talent improved a little in yr 2, started to throw the ball more. And now the personnel has advanced again for yr 3, and the pass rate increased again.
-We are currently sitting at about 51% pass rate. It would not surprise me to see us in the high 50's for next yr since that's the way we are trending. If this occurs, does this mean Stoops has backed off or does it mean that the personnel is finally allowing the offense to develop?
-If Stoops wanted to run the ball, then why hire 2 guys known for their passing? And then why would Stoops say repeatedly in the media that he wanted to have an explosive, high tempo offense, that was a little biased to pass.
-Brown had little to no o-line......very few WR's.......no TE's.......and absolutely no QB. (although he did have a few good RB's) It's no wonder why he ran the ball a lot in yr 1. And as his talent improved a little in yr 2, started to throw the ball more. And now the personnel has advanced again for yr 3, and the pass rate increased again.
-We are currently sitting at about 51% pass rate. It would not surprise me to see us in the high 50's for next yr since that's the way we are trending. If this occurs, does this mean Stoops has backed off or does it mean that the personnel is finally allowing the offense to develop?
I'm with you, I think its purely a personnel issue. Brown had next to nothing to work with when he was here, not to mention very lackluster quarterback play. I think Barker will be an improvement, but we still have an offensive line that couldn't block a good high school pass rush, and receiver's that can't catch a cold half the time.
Personnel is fine for the air raid. Besides QB we have better personel than when Mumme came in here and lit people up with it. We are not running the air raid and have not in the 3 years Stoops has been here.
And we have good enough QB's to be running the air raid offense, it is just something IMO Stoops is not completely comfortable with. Most defensive minded coaches are not. They like to run the ball, play field position and shorten the game. It's just in their DNA. I'm not saying it's right or wrong it is what it is.
It took Saban a long time just to acknowledge that the spread--not air raid--and hurry up offense was effective and actually good for the game. He went out and hired an OC that can run the spread and hurry up offense, but also have a power run game in his arsenal. Maybe Stoops needs to get someone like that or if he is going to keep hiring Air-Raid OC's then Run the damn air raid.
And we have good enough QB's to be running the air raid offense, it is just something IMO Stoops is not completely comfortable with. Most defensive minded coaches are not. They like to run the ball, play field position and shorten the game. It's just in their DNA. I'm not saying it's right or wrong it is what it is.
It took Saban a long time just to acknowledge that the spread--not air raid--and hurry up offense was effective and actually good for the game. He went out and hired an OC that can run the spread and hurry up offense, but also have a power run game in his arsenal. Maybe Stoops needs to get someone like that or if he is going to keep hiring Air-Raid OC's then Run the damn air raid.
The air raid requires quick decisions, a quick release, and accuracy. Unfortunately Patrick doesn't have those qualities. Hopefully Drew does.
Oh he is you can see him stuck to Dawsons hip during games while team is on offense!!!
Did Dawson even call plays at WVU? If not, then kind of an odd hire by Stoops
That reinforces my point. Saban didn't want the spread at first........so he didn't hire a spread guy. It makes no sense for Stoops to hire a spread/Air Raid guy (two of them) if he didn't want to run their offense.
And I too agree that the personnel right now can run the Air Raid offense decently right now.......but I think Dawson is a little lost right now and can't adjust.
The personnel under Brown......couldn't run it.
I reference Mike Leach's first season at WSU. In his first yr, Leach had a very veteran senior QB.......veteran WR's.......and decent o-line......but it wasn't personnel for the high end Air Raid passing attack that Leach runs. And so therefore it didn't do well. It did much better in yr 2, but really didn't get crankin until yr 3 and especially 4.
If stoops does have a hand in the offense then he needs to step out and let Dawson do what he was hired to do. If he doesn't have a hand in the offense and this is what Dawson brings to the table then he needs to be let go now, not tomorrow, not after breakfast, NOW.
Those are reallt the only two scenarios that exist.
Those are reallt the only two scenarios that exist.
I disagree. Running back I'll give you, but the rest, no way. We don't have anybody close to Craig Yeast or an OLine made up of 5th year SR's. As a group, our receivers & our OLine are nowhere near as mature or experienced as what Tim Couch had around him.
No one has any credible information CMS has influence over the OC play calls. Coach Holgerson at WVU wanted final approval on offense play calling. Mr. Dawson mentored under Holgerson. There were no issues in this arrangement other than Dawson wanted to be his own OC. Any head coach wants to be informed of the OC play calling. And, any head coach places complete confidence in his coordinators.
These kind of comments represent uninformed opinions while respected on this board should really be thought through before posting.
Blue Raider ere is another scenario ...
3. Stoops wants the UK HC job and approaches MB with his plan. MB says looks good and we think you're the man but in order to compete and put fans in the stands you'll need to run Air Raid. Tim Couch has already got Neil Brown on board for you. You don't know Neil? Never heard of him? Hear's his phone number he's expecting your call. You all work things out.
BTW he'll be bringing his own folks, you worry about the defensive side of the ball.
That doesn't work out but he's recruited for two seasons in that direction, so when NB leaves, he's stuck with a personnel for this system and needs someone who knows how to run it.
It looks to me Air Raid wasn't the offense he wanted to run but that's what was given to him. If he wanted the job that's was what he was going to have to do.
I mean come on, what HC comes in and is given a coordinator?
3. Stoops wants the UK HC job and approaches MB with his plan. MB says looks good and we think you're the man but in order to compete and put fans in the stands you'll need to run Air Raid. Tim Couch has already got Neil Brown on board for you. You don't know Neil? Never heard of him? Hear's his phone number he's expecting your call. You all work things out.
BTW he'll be bringing his own folks, you worry about the defensive side of the ball.
That doesn't work out but he's recruited for two seasons in that direction, so when NB leaves, he's stuck with a personnel for this system and needs someone who knows how to run it.
It looks to me Air Raid wasn't the offense he wanted to run but that's what was given to him. If he wanted the job that's was what he was going to have to do.
I mean come on, what HC comes in and is given a coordinator?
^I considered that aspect but that is another incredibly implausible theory.
-Mitch has shown no signs of those kind of dealings in the 13 yrs he's been here......with any sport
-Stoops was to the point where he could take a much better HC position than our program. He could've gone any number of places. So, why would he choose to take on an offense that he doesn't want to run? Why would he have a member of his staff forced upon him?
-the only time I've ever heard about a staff member being forced on to someone was at a small school back in Louisiana. The reason was that the staff member was a long time head coach for the school who epwanted to step off of being the HC but still wanted to work for the school to avoid retirement......so he took a demotion and became a LB coach for the new HC who was happy to have him.
-Mitch has shown no signs of those kind of dealings in the 13 yrs he's been here......with any sport
-Stoops was to the point where he could take a much better HC position than our program. He could've gone any number of places. So, why would he choose to take on an offense that he doesn't want to run? Why would he have a member of his staff forced upon him?
-the only time I've ever heard about a staff member being forced on to someone was at a small school back in Louisiana. The reason was that the staff member was a long time head coach for the school who epwanted to step off of being the HC but still wanted to work for the school to avoid retirement......so he took a demotion and became a LB coach for the new HC who was happy to have him.
Wasn't Kragthorpe forced to take some of Petrino's assistants when he took the UofL job?
Frost1 you state that in such a manner as to say you know that Coach Stoops is inserting, (has inserted ), himself into the offensive alignment, personell & play calling, if this is the case, I have a far less respectable view of him!!!!