In my opinion, if Duke doesn't go to a Final Four and beat UNC, no they are definitely NOT a "great" team. Duke's bar is that high. They can be considered a good team without those achievements, but certainly not great.
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In my opinion, if Duke doesn't go to a Final Four and beat UNC, no they are definitely NOT a "great" team. Duke's bar is that high. They can be considered a good team without those achievements, but certainly not great.
This post is for Duke fans only. unc and other fans please respect this request and stop reading right now.Guys we have a big problem. It's about the P.T.R.F. I don't know we are going to be able to meet their demands. They feel with what the N.B.A. free agents are signing for they have become arrogant and are demanding way too much. We used to get by with 10 to 15 thousand per official per game depending on who we were playing. Now they are asking for 100,000 and 150,000 for the unc games and if we make it to the final four it's 200,000 per game per official and even though we've paid through the years we still need to lose games because if we went undefeated every year opposing teams would get suspicious and claim we are paying the officials which we are but that's beside the point. Personally I'm tired of their arrogance narcissism and am ready to tell them to take a hike. We'll just have to go on talent and the GOAT and have the confidence that they can do it without the P.T.R.F. Of course this may kick back on us when web refuse to pay their demands and start calling against us. It will be a challenge but I think we all will feel better about it. How do you guys feel about it. Once again let's keep all this close to our D.I. chest. There are certain posters that would report it to the NCAA if they could come up with some solid evidence. 
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OFCUNC's last 5 Final Four teams verse Duke: 5-5
Duke's last 5 Final Four teams verse UNC: 11-1
If Duke and UNC both make the FF, Duke wins. 1991. Duh. UNC has a great season, but Duke has a greater season.
We've been a #1 seed 11 times in the past 20 seasons. So no, I don't think UNC contributed to preventing any Duke great teams from landing a 1 seed. The only Duke team that wasn't a 1 seed in that 20 year time-frame that I would consider borderline-great by Duke standards, is the 2013 team. And, well, UNC lost both of those games.
But do you understand why dukedevils poast is kind of confusing me? He's making the statement that "duke's great teams" have handled Carolina in prediction for this season. Yet we won't know if duke's team is a "great team" until the season ends and we've seen if they made the FF or not (using his definition of "great" here).
But that still doesn't make sense. You're essentially already calling this duke team a "great team" yet your measurement for "great teams" can only be measured at the end of the season. It doesn't make sense in relation to your prediction for the duke/Carolina game.
If you want to say you think duke wins, then fine. But the logic you used doesn't make sense.
I think it's impossible to forecast that any team will be great prior to the season. And if you can it is very rare and it's a team that won the year before and brings back the same nucleus that won it for them the year prior and adds some studs.
I think this upcoming season Duke has the much higher upside- they have more room for error and they have when all things click the team that has the potential to blow the doors off their opponent. In the rivalry case that rarely happens but there is a greater chance of Duke crushing UNC than vice versa. I dont think it happens because UNC is going to be strong itself, but their margin for error is not as great.
Beating UNC twice in a season always makes for a good season. You add an ACC championship and a FF appearance or NC and obviously that goes from good to great.
I think this upcoming season Duke has the much higher upside- they have more room for error and they have when all things click the team that has the potential to blow the doors off their opponent. In the rivalry case that rarely happens but there is a greater chance of Duke crushing UNC than vice versa. I dont think it happens because UNC is going to be strong itself, but their margin for error is not as great.
Beating UNC twice in a season always makes for a good season. You add an ACC championship and a FF appearance or NC and obviously that goes from good to great.
I agree. Teams like the 09 Heels that made the FF the year before or the 08 Florida Gators that won the year before are pretty sure bets. But I'm not sure that I would even put Nova there despite them having won it last year and returning most of what they had. That Nova team didn't seem great to me. They just seemed like a team that got to playing their best ball at the right time. I'm not sure they can catch lightning in a bottle again.
In theory, I agree. But they're still freshman. We still don't know how they adjust to college ball.
It's funny, because when it comes to UNC, yes, what you say constitutes a successful season - ACC Championship (reg season and/or tournament), beating duke and making the FF. Last season was tremendously successful in my eyes. But on the flip side, if duke doesn't win the championship, I'll downplay their season despite the other successes they had by saying, "well, duke finished their season just like we did - without a national championship".
You must have taken some of those "lecture" classes at UNC. "I expect more the same this year", meaning I expect a Final Four finish and a sweep of the Tarheels. Is there anything else you would like me to spell out for you?
Florida lost in the FF in 08... the NIT Final Four. How could you forget UNC losing to Kansas, the eventual national champs in 08? You might need to fact check some of your statements before you post, but I know, you say you're too lazy to check. I guess we'll just have to take your uninformed opinion at face value for being factual and objective.
Dude, you're the one that's using an end of the season metric to call a preseason team "great". Don't get pissy with me because your logic sucks.
Yes, I clearly remember Carolina losing in 08 and even mentioned that their 09 team was expected to be great because of it. So when talking about Florida, I obviously mistakenly said 08 when I meant 07 or whatever year it was after they had won the first of their back to back titles.
Quite frankly, I don't give a f**k what you take. It won't change how, when, where and why I poast.
Did Wright call a TO?
Yes.
Did Roy have time to see what they wanted to do because of the wet spot?
Yes.
I'm not sure what you're arguing here. Do you want to see the video? It happened just like I laid it out.
Lastly, I think I need to give y'all a lesson in meme usage. Bunch of rookies around here.
So GSD conceded...this class isn't up to par with #RoyKnew's usual haul. The reason I chose that time frame is because it's the most relevant. For example , Duke has more ACC football titles than unc does. How relevant is that to today? It sure matters little to recruits who weren't even born when Duke amassed those titles. "Relevance." It matters. That fact goes screamin' over your head at 90 mph with its hair on fire. Par for the course with fans who support a coach who hasn't yet shown he can adapt. Finally...recruiting is everything. I admitted I threw it in there outta left field. It's no less true though. Kids with similar rankings to the one and dones/two and dones at other schools stay with Roy longer and its hurt unc's recruiting. Is what it is.
Not arguing anything. Just amused by people trying to rationalize their defense of Roy. Even Hillary Clinton would have a hard time defending Roy with a straight face as much as some the THR folks.
"I expect more of the same." Expectations are not equivalent to concrete results. It doesn't mean Duke will make a FF, and it doesn't mean Duke will win both games. Fans and analysts alike enjoy the occasional prediction and speculative conjectures. Who woulda thunk it? My point was to show that really successful Duke teams tend to do well against UNC in spite of the rivalry. And if this is another great Duke team that lives up to its potential, I would expect very similar results with finishing business with the Heels. I'm not getting "pissy" either, I find your sophomoric retorts rather amusing.
Why is the time frame you used more relevant than say 1994? Or say, 2004? It's not. And you know it's not. You're cooking the books like liberals like to do. Do you work for the Obama administration?
lulz
Ok. I don't disagree. I also don't care nearly as much as you appear to.
Ok. I understand. Well, allow me to make some predictions myself.
Being that next year is 2017, I think UNC will win the national championship. Because 4 of our 5 championships were won in years that ended with an odd number instead of an even number. ('57, '93, '05, '09)
I also expect Meeks to be 1st team AA. Because in years when Punxsutawney Phil sees his shadow coupled with leap years and election years, our center makes the AA team.
I also expect Roy to call a timeout this year. Because in years where the air conditioning goes bad in my car, he always calls a time out sometime that season.
As far as predicting the Duke/UNC games this year....I gave up trying to read those Gane a long time ago. Especially in July. I think that attitude is the correct one this time around too. Both programs usually have goodntalent and throw in the rivalry angle, and it makes it tough to forecast.
Yeah...but even one of your bench guys was hollering....Theo gets no respect...
#TheoKnew
http://nsjsports.com/2016/04/05/north-carolina-comes-up-short-in-national-title-game/
UNC is going to be good, I don't think many would argue that. But they will take a step back. They lost two significant parts, and their last two recruiting classes weren't made up of guys who can immediately bridge that gap. They are still a team that will hover around the top ten.
But Duke is going to be better. They will have the best individual player in the matchup (Allen is in the conversation for preseason NPOY). Though they are freshmen, guys like Giles and Tatum have more general talent and are going to be better pros than anyone on the UNC roster - and I know their eventual pro success is a post-college thing, I just bring it up as indicative of the talent they possess. I don't worry even a little about the "they are just freshmen" concern. Coach K will tap into that talent in a big way. He is obviously Duke's biggest advantage in the matchup.
But Duke is going to be better. They will have the best individual player in the matchup (Allen is in the conversation for preseason NPOY). Though they are freshmen, guys like Giles and Tatum have more general talent and are going to be better pros than anyone on the UNC roster - and I know their eventual pro success is a post-college thing, I just bring it up as indicative of the talent they possess. I don't worry even a little about the "they are just freshmen" concern. Coach K will tap into that talent in a big way. He is obviously Duke's biggest advantage in the matchup.
Seriously. Was it that long ago that Duke had three freshmen lead the team to a 'ship? These guys coming in aren't exactly Luke Maye...
Thanks, Richie, but we have had our fill of your stupid memes. It is true, you Holes go out of your way to rationalize absolutely everything. I understand you are all pissed as hell that Duke has surpassed you but come on. Stop embarrassing yourselves. Have some self respect for crying out loud!
I don't know where gunslinger came from but do they even realize he escaped?
He use to post here a long time ago, he's been around a while. Believe it or not, he was a pretty good poster at one time. A few Duke domination's drove him over the edge and he went out there like Pluto. Started coming out with his infamous predictions, after Grayson had the big game vs Wisconsin, he told us that he would sink back into mediocrity the next season and average single digit scoring, Okafor would be a flash in the pan, Tyus was too short to make an impact and would be dominated by unc's monsters, Winslow couldn't even handle the ball much less score, just lots of spot on predictions shaded only by the Jimmy the Greek style intel we now get from Gary. Now he's over here making our Mods look stupid treading water just on the edge of banning and using hidden *** smooches to stay on board and get jabs in that would last 30 seconds at his boring *** board. You newer fellas, don't argue with him, it just keeps him around. He's posting way more here than there because his home board has turned into a dead deer carcass, you pass by and look away because its horrible but the smell still gets in through the AC vents. Have a nice day.
Show has hit the nail dead on the head. I've already said to not pay any attention to him. He is just loving what's going on and every time someone replies to him just fuels him. Show is right he knows just how far to go without being banned. Ignoring him will be better than being banned because he will be left hanging with no responses. Glad he's a tar heel fan. I just couldn't except a Duke fan like him. OFC
I believe it!
You wouldn't use an apostrophe there. It would just be "dominations". But you would probably be better served to say "a few dominating performances from duke". It just reads better that way. But I don't think you're being truthful. If I recall correctly, the reason I was eventually banned was simply for giving what I was getting.
I never said exactly that. I think I said "I'd be surprised if he made second team All-ACC". Yep, missed on that one.
Completely untrue.
Again, you made this one up.
Another lie...I'm seeing a pattern here.
Ouch. I wonder how they feel about you calling them stupid. I haven't even gone that far. In reality, I've traded correspondence with two mods here over the past few weeks (dukiejay and timo) and we've had some good back and forth - good discussion. I appreciate the way they handle my poasting here.
I don't think I've hidden anything. I'd say that I've been pretty transparent.
So do poasts referencing me being here.
*poasting
That's quite graphic. You could have probably just said our board sucks and we all would have gotten the point. But you really cranked it up a notch with that comment.
Think some of us just need to either A. take our own advice and ignore posters or threads we don't care about and B. grow some thicker skin. If we're going to compain and brag about getting banned on THR for nothing, I'd expect we're not going to get our feathers ruffled over posters coming over from other boards and having conversations, or back and forths that might be sarcastic, smug etc. Any posters that are being direct jerks or using foul language will be taken care of, otherwise, let them post. It's a message board, no need to take it that seriously, especially in the off-season.
This is a good topic, let's try and get back on it. And my thoughts are honestly the more I think about it the more confident I become in the type of season we can have. I do think UNC will be very strong though- their weaknesses will be on the interior with regards to foul trouble and with 3pt shooting- where will it come from. I think defensively with both Harry and Amile as our two front line anchors we should easily be able to get up and press the way we want. We have the depth we have the athletes and I think this will be hard for a team like UNC to match up with. With little threat of being beaten from 3 and also being allowed to play aggressively, we're the better team. I think we take both games but I do think they'll both be under 10.
This is a good topic, let's try and get back on it. And my thoughts are honestly the more I think about it the more confident I become in the type of season we can have. I do think UNC will be very strong though- their weaknesses will be on the interior with regards to foul trouble and with 3pt shooting- where will it come from. I think defensively with both Harry and Amile as our two front line anchors we should easily be able to get up and press the way we want. We have the depth we have the athletes and I think this will be hard for a team like UNC to match up with. With little threat of being beaten from 3 and also being allowed to play aggressively, we're the better team. I think we take both games but I do think they'll both be under 10.
Timo you know fully well Gunslinger is using our past comments, bragging, complaining and concerns about quick and unfair banning on the UNC board to his devious and childish advantage. He is overexposing the lenience and fairness of our Mods and has put you guys in an unfair position. I don't necessarily think he should be banned but I do think he should be strongly advised on his sometimes smut, smirkish and defiant response. He is a cunning and smart old fox who is setting the guidelines on visiting or guest posters.
I agree that back to Duke basketball we will have a total advantage on rim protectors allowing us to press how we wish. I think UNC might at times search for scoring but I don't think their 3 point shooting will necessarily be bad as Berry can get hot. I think they can lose 8 or games as they have lost their go to players and like you said interior fouls might get them.
I agree that back to Duke basketball we will have a total advantage on rim protectors allowing us to press how we wish. I think UNC might at times search for scoring but I don't think their 3 point shooting will necessarily be bad as Berry can get hot. I think they can lose 8 or games as they have lost their go to players and like you said interior fouls might get them.
Always love it when a unx fan belittles Duke football. Duke...more ACC fball titles , more NFL Hall of Famers , more ACC POY , have played for a national title game ( unx never has and never will ) and has played in all 4 major bowls. unx? Uhhh , no. Until just last season , Duke had a more RECENT ACC crown too. All this was amassed YEARS ago. In the time since , Duke let their program go to heck in a handbasket and the holes , as we all know , pulled out all the stops to field a relevant football program. Despite the massive cheating by unx and Duke's complete lack of interest in football , the holes couldn't surpass ANY of those stats. That says more about unx than it does Duke. Pathetic. Lulz. The holes DID manage to become a consistently lousy-to-mediocre program though. Hang a banner. LMAO. Heck , the schools have SPLIT the last 4 games. I'm not bragging , mind you. Holding any sorta statistical edge over unx football is nuthin' to crow about just as holding one over Duke isn't either. That never seems to stop unx'ers from doing it though. Go figure.
If train A leaves Chicago traveling 95 mph, and train B leaves New York traveling 110 mph - and the distance between Chicago and New York is 800 miles, how long will it take before gunslinger makes a lame comment littered with faulty logic?