How many murderers do you know?

catsfanbgky

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My cousin killed his mother in law down in Milton Florida where they lived. He was on death row for over 20 years. Don't know if he was executed or died of natural causes, or if he is even dead. I do not want to know about the sick MFER. The call to police (before 911) you could hear in the back ground the MIL saying "No David, NO !!!"

One of my friends in school (Craig Clark) in Madisonville, he and his GF killed a lady behind Parkway Plaza Mall, took her car and fled to Georgia where they was eventually caught. About 1982/83 ish. Here is where the story gets crazier. I lived right behind the mall on the other side of a wooded area. We had camped out and slept no more than 20 yards from her decomposed body. We thought it was a dead animal. We came out of the mall a few days later, and there was police every where and would not let us pass for me to get home. Later we go sleuthing and looked behind a dumpster and found a pair of gloves, pack of Newports, and a Louisville Cardinal T-shirt tied up. It was apparent he tried to throw the items in the dumpster but the lid was closed. I gathered the items and took them home and called MPD. As luck would have it, Detective Jewell Clark came to my house to get the evidence. Yeap, Craig Clark's dad was the detective. Will never forget the look on his face when he looked down and saw the stuff. He knew it was his sons, as he was all ready suspected of it as he and Angela Foster (GF) had been missing for a while. I was scared to death as a 14-15 year old knowing I gave the dad of a murderer evidence to convict him.

Both are 100% true and had nightmares for a while because of the second one.
 

Elbridge

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My cousin killed his mother in law down in Milton Florida where they lived. He was on death row for over 20 years. Don't know if he was executed or died of natural causes, or if he is even dead. I do not want to know about the sick MFER. The call to police (before 911) you could hear in the back ground the MIL saying "No David, NO !!!"

One of my friends in school (Craig Clark) in Madisonville, he and his GF killed a lady behind Parkway Plaza Mall, took her car and fled to Georgia where they was eventually caught. About 1982/83 ish. Here is where the story gets crazier. I lived right behind the mall on the other side of a wooded area. We had camped out and slept no more than 20 yards from her decomposed body. We thought it was a dead animal. We came out of the mall a few days later, and there was police every where and would not let us pass for me to get home. Later we go sleuthing and looked behind a dumpster and found a pair of gloves, pack of Newports, and a Louisville Cardinal T-shirt tied up. It was apparent he tried to throw the items in the dumpster but the lid was closed. I gathered the items and took them home and called MPD. As luck would have it, Detective Jewell Clark came to my house to get the evidence. Yeap, Craig Clark's dad was the detective. Will never forget the look on his face when he looked down and saw the stuff. He knew it was his sons, as he was all ready suspected of it as he and Angela Foster (GF) had been missing for a while. I was scared to death as a 14-15 year old knowing I gave the dad of a murderer evidence to convict him.

Both are 100% true and had nightmares for a while because of the second one.
You have mentioned this story on the Paddock before. I was about the same age at the time growing up in Hopkinsville. I don't remember the murder but probably knew of it at the time.
 

UK 82

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Brenda Schaefer's apartment was across the hall from my wife's back in the 80's. She met Mel Ignatow and actually had them both over once. Per my wife "he was a creep".
 
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catsfanbgky

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You have mentioned this story on the Paddock before. I was about the same age at the time growing up in Hopkinsville. I don't remember the murder but probably knew of it at the time.

Just Google Karla K Guy murder Madisonville. it was 1984. In between my 8th grade / freshman year of high school.
 

KRJ1975

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I know/knew the dude that got convicted for the murder of the Madison County woman who was found cut in pieces in trash bags on a farm in northern Madison County several years ago.

Me too - Jason Singleton. I worked closely with him for several years.

Prescription pills are bad.
 

812scottj

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My great uncle killed two federal revenuers when they found his moonshine operation...I was a pall bearer at his funeral
 
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TruBluCatFan

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My great uncle killed two federal revenuers when they found his moonshine operation...I was a pall bearer at his funeral
If you were 606scottj I’d wonder if your uncle killed my great grandpa and his cousin. They were killed raiding a moonshine still.
 

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I remembered today that I had a customer here in Florida who I knew sorta indirectly had a few lunches and golf outings with who killed his on and off girlfriend last year in a domestic dispute. She came to his house and he ended up shooting her then got in his car and drove north a few hours before being stopped and having a 5 hour standoff with officers right there on the highway. He’s not went to trial yet but he is charged with 2nd degree murder.

Can’t believe I forgot about that—although it is florida that shite happens pretty much once a week.😆
 

Mperry411

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2 that I knew pretty good, 2 that were friends of friends.

Plus in 2008 we had our DirecTV installed when we moved and when I got home, my wife said that he had to come back to finish it up but she thought he was kinda weird and gave her the creeps because he was asking where I worked and if I worked nights, etc. so I had to be there. Said that our 3 year old daughter who usually loved everybody was scared of him and wouldn't go anywhere near where he was. He came back and finished up and yeah, I thought he was a little off but there's a lot of weird guys out there.

A few days later, the tv is on but we're not paying very much attention until our daughter starts pointing and trying to say DirecTV. When I look at the screen, there is his picture. He killed 3 kids and tried to kill the mother but she survived.

😳😳😳😳😳

He's currently awaiting for his turn in the electric chair.
 

Global Havok

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A dude I knew in the early 2000s went down to Louisiana and murdered someone.

One of my best friends growing up overdosed almost a decade ago leaving 2 kids behind. Her son was arrested for murder and desecrating a body last year. I lived with him when he was a newborn. :(
 

TruBluCatFan

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I have no clue, I live in Christian County. I was just pointing out that him and his family didn't have to live in the same area.
Gotcha. Mine was all local. Great gramps was a revenuer and shot by neighbors when he went to raid their still.
 

WildcatFan1982

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Oh I heard someone get murdered when I lived in cardinal valley. At like 3 PM. When I called 911 the dispatcher asked me to go outside and investigate where the gunshot came from :|
 

catsfanbgky

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I too left one out. Former friend / coworker Russell Winstead (Madisonville again) killed his grandmother Ann Branson. He owed her about $12k he had borrowed from her to support his gambling habit, she kept a notebook for every loan just in case something ever happened to her, people would know he owed her money. They caught him years later in Costa Rica, you guest it, in a casino. Ann was a wonderful lady, owned the Baskin Robbins, other businesses and about 30 rental properties. It was hard for them to figure out clear suspects because of all the properties and looked at every renter she evicted over the years and fired from her other businesses.
 

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I've mentioned this before but I lived about 100 ft from this house in Ventura, CA where the Golden State Killer killed a man and his wife in 1980. He had to have scouted my house as well. It was a big but just local news event at the time.

 
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I have been with 3 women who HAVE been murdered, and one who died under suspicious causes.
Okay so I guess now I know one.

Alright, seriously. I don't know any murderers, but like many here I guess I would say I used to know them. I worked as a counselor at a lockdown facility for teenage boys with high level behavioral issues. Incredibly sad stories. Teenagers whose parents were both in prison or dead, kids who had already committed serious crimes, many had been severely abused. Many with severe PTSD, trauma, heavily medicated... Just a bunch of ticking time bombs.

One of the boys we found out a few years down the road shot a woman in the face during a robbery.

Another boy who I had known fairly well, played basketball with, spades, etc. Got into an argument with his girlfriend and ended up shooting her and her brother. Killed the brother. When the police arrived he was just sitting there waiting for them. He's serving life without parole.

Back in high school I hung out quite a bit with a girl and her boyfriend I met at our church youth group. Later they got married and had a kid. Then they got divorced. Then she hired a hitman to murder him and his new wife. The hitman turned out to be an undercover FBI agent. She made news earlier this year when it turned out she was one of Matt Bevin's more notable pardons.
 

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I posted earlier that I didn't know anyone that was murdered. I don't know how but I forgot about a family member being murdered a few years back. I've tried to mentally block that incident out and apparently it worked. He was visiting a cemetery and was murdered by a couple meth heads. His name is Ben Hatfield. He was big in the coal industry. Maybe some of you heard of him.
 

rbs

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I worked with Ben’s brother, Dennis, along with other friends of Ben. A completely senseless murder. He was cleaning his mother’s tombstone.
 

ThwKentuckyKid

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Three, one was a girl who, along with her boyfriend killed her parents and then stored their dismembered corpses in her freezer. Her name was Opal Ashcraft.
 

dgtatu01

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I don't think I know any. We had some kids get murdered that I knew when I was in school. Their older step brother shot everyone around the dinner table. I did not know him though.
 

RMP82

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2-300 with many of them with more than 20-30 bodies on their belts. Of course I work in a high security federal pen.

On the street, one of my really good friends growing up go acquitted of a double homicide even though most evidence pointed to guilty. I had an uncle who used to ride in a biker gang. He wouldn't say but we all assume he has a few.
 

Nubb16

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A man that I cross paths with pretty regularly killed his uncle when he was a teenager and got off on insanity.
Also went to school with a boy my entire life that got suspended from school one day and then went home and killed his mom, dad and grandmother and then wrecked while trying to get out of town killing himself and another man.
 

Captain Forehead

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I have a cousin who killed another kid in high school. His girlfriend had dumped him and started seeing this other kid. He waited for him out side her house and stabbed him to death in the driveway. That was several years ago. And he's out now. I guess he's doing ok? Haven't seen him since the trial. Damn shame.
 

michaeluk26

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I know for a fact my bullets killed 3 people. But I def could've killed more but couldn't confirm. It was war but it's still murder kinda. But don't be planting bombs and the run. It eats at you afterwards after the high goes away. A fire fight is the greatest high ever. 1
 
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I have a cousin who killed another kid in high school. His girlfriend had dumped him and started seeing this other kid. He waited for him out side her house and stabbed him to death in the driveway. That was several years ago. And he's out now. I guess he's doing ok? Haven't seen him since the trial. Damn shame.
No offense, but the level of pissed off I’d be if someone killed my son and was out a few years later would be off the scales.