How many of you would have loved to have played college baseball?

[79dawg4life]

I read about Forrest Moore, Goforth, and Collins Ryan Powers making remarks about how they were forced to practice extra hours.... and wonder to myself what I would have done to play college baseball... and for me at MSU? I would have practiced 8... 10... hours a day, every day...to have been able to play for at least 1 season.

I am amazed at some of these whiny babies that had to practice.... heck.... in the old days before the NCAA babied athletes, athletes could practice extra hours. I have alwaysbelieved that extra practice can make a player better.... extra batting practice.... extra running.... extra many things to get a player better.

I wonderwhat Ole Rudy at Notre Dame would say about some of these players whining about a little extra time.

For me... I can see that many of these young men just don't know what the opportunity they had that many of us would have given to have played SEC baseball and for me, playing at MSU. Why do so many kids, fans,.... come to a baseball stadium to watch a game? They all would love to be in the position of a few college baseball players.

Growing up, I always heard about friends of mine that had parents buying pitching machines so they could take extra batting practice at night to help their hitting... a few did make it to major college.

I am sorry about a player getting hurt and it impacting their ability to play... but there are doctors out there that misdiagnose problems every day. it happens and they are human. Sometimes... the equipment is not the best and it impacts a diagnose made.

Thank goodness that Coach Cohen wants to bring MSU back to the baseball standard that MSU was back in the 90s. We all discuss it on many days before, during, and afterbaseball season. We discuss going to Omaha and how much the memories we have.

Thank goodness that our Coaches are demanding excellence. Every team wants to be the best.

And in some cases, the players have to make that extra commitment to get better. It's called practice.

I can promise you this...the great players(Jerry Rice, Walter Peyton, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees) do not whine about extra practice.... they cherish it, setup practice sessions on their own... run in sand or up hills....andwhen their career is over, they talk about how much they enjoyed it.

Again, I would have loved to have played at the college level....

 

[79dawg4life]

I read about Forrest Moore, Goforth, and Collins Ryan Powers making remarks about how they were forced to practice extra hours.... and wonder to myself what I would have done to play college baseball... and for me at MSU? I would have practiced 8... 10... hours a day, every day...to have been able to play for at least 1 season.

I am amazed at some of these whiny babies that had to practice.... heck.... in the old days before the NCAA babied athletes, athletes could practice extra hours. I have alwaysbelieved that extra practice can make a player better.... extra batting practice.... extra running.... extra many things to get a player better.

I wonderwhat Ole Rudy at Notre Dame would say about some of these players whining about a little extra time.

For me... I can see that many of these young men just don't know what the opportunity they had that many of us would have given to have played SEC baseball and for me, playing at MSU. Why do so many kids, fans,.... come to a baseball stadium to watch a game? They all would love to be in the position of a few college baseball players.

Growing up, I always heard about friends of mine that had parents buying pitching machines so they could take extra batting practice at night to help their hitting... a few did make it to major college.

I am sorry about a player getting hurt and it impacting their ability to play... but there are doctors out there that misdiagnose problems every day. it happens and they are human. Sometimes... the equipment is not the best and it impacts a diagnose made.

Thank goodness that Coach Cohen wants to bring MSU back to the baseball standard that MSU was back in the 90s. We all discuss it on many days before, during, and afterbaseball season. We discuss going to Omaha and how much the memories we have.

Thank goodness that our Coaches are demanding excellence. Every team wants to be the best.

And in some cases, the players have to make that extra commitment to get better. It's called practice.

I can promise you this...the great players(Jerry Rice, Walter Peyton, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees) do not whine about extra practice.... they cherish it, setup practice sessions on their own... run in sand or up hills....andwhen their career is over, they talk about how much they enjoyed it.

Again, I would have loved to have played at the college level....

 

[Todd4State]

I feel pretty much the same way you do.

 

[Goat 4 Eva]

nm

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

...Forrest Moore, Goforth, and Collins were raised from infancy to believe they were going to be MLB stars one day.


But when they got to college & reality bit them in the ***, mommy & daddy freaked, because mommy & daddy were the ones pimping the pie-in-the-sky propaganda since little Forrest Moore, Goforth, and Collins were in diapers.


I would speculate, at some point, Cohen pulled Forrest Moore, Goforth, and Collins aside & told them to get that Business Administration degree, because you don't have the talent to make baseball your life's vocation.


So this really pissed the mommys & daddys off, because if John Cohen has the nerve to pull aside Forrest Moore, Goforth, and Collins & tell them the truth, then John Cohen is a rotten scoundrel who doesn't deserve to be coaching my babies.

So the next step is for the outraged mommys & daddys to make life hard for John Cohen. Because nobody talks to my kid like that & gets away with it. So the ridiulous crap about "extra practices" sounds like it might stick, so we're off to the races.

 

[tupelotim]

I would rather watch and drink beer.

 

[Lawson36]

Where did Collins say anything? Or do you mean Ryan Powers?

 

[79dawg4life]

my bad... it was Ryan Powers...

 

[BlindDawg]

Don't take this as me defending those guys because there is no defense for them. I could be wrong but I don't think their issue is with the extra practice itself as it is with the fact that its against the rules. Its more of they didn't like Cohen and/or their experience at State so they want to throw **** at both after their gone as payback. I don't know that it makes a difference either way, but I just saw a few different people mentioning whining about them having to practice extra and wanted to point out that there may be a different way to interpret what was said. Either way <17> them for being giant vaginas.

 

[Todd4State]

The only thing I disagree with is that they had a problem that the "extra practice" was against the rules. If Polk had made them practice extra, I guarantee you that they would have had no problem. Granted Polk wasn't going to do that anyway- but I think you get my point.

This is totally a smear campaign against Cohen.

 

[DAWG61]

Cohen wanted them to quit so he was a tremendous ******* to them to try and force them to quit. They were too stubborn to quit and now they are mad. Now Cohen has his players so this should be a dead issue here forth.

 

[Paper Dog]

However, no person in their right mind would want to practice 8, 10, 12 hours a day

That is just insane

 

[KurtRambis4]

but, I can guarantee you that those who want to be the best and make it to the highest level will put in the required time and a great deal more. Being a winner isn't a part-time job. Someone who is complaining about training more than what is mandated by the NCAA will never be a winner at the highest level, that is a given.

 

[79dawg4life]

Maybe you fell into money and don't have to putout the 50 hours per week that many do in the business world? For anyone of significant responsibility... the job is not 8 to 5 and if you believe that you want to be the best, you have to prepare, plan, and do all that is needed to accomplish goals.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Anything more than about 6 hours per day on a baseball field is wasted effort.

Even Cohen recently questioned himself about practice time. Fresh legs will beat tired legs every damn time.

 

[Paper Dog]

And work about 75 hours per week

Since I am single I have the flexibility to take on a heavy workload

Baseball is my favorite sport ... I saw 56 of MSU's 63 games this year

And no good emotionally or physically can come out of working more than about five hours a day on any one particular task

 

[DirtyLopez]

chicken dinner. They weren't that good, were taking up valuable scholarship money, and they weren't Cohen's players or type of players. Let's face it, Cohen can apparently be a huge *** hole, but so can Nick Saban. The only people paying attention at this point are us and the rebels and probably a few hardcore usm baseball fans. I doubt the ncaa will be able to prove anything against us. Outside of MS, no one even knows it is happening.

 

[DerHntr]

And no good emotionally or physically can come out of working more than about five hours a day on any one particular task

 

[Paper Dog]

Sometimes you do this, sometimes you do that

Do you really think a heart surgeon goes into surgery and works eight straight hours every day

Of course he doesn't

 

[Todd4State]

Sometimes you do this, sometimes you do that

Do you really think a heart surgeon goes into surgery and works eight straight hours every day

Of course he doesn't

working out and practicing eight straight hours either.

I know that our surgeons where I work will go however long they need to to get the job done. I've heard of several surgeries that have taken longer than six hours before.

 

[WebbFreeman]

As a former member of the military (long time ago) and current long time engineer/scientist, most "tasks" aren't completed in hours. If "tasks" are part of a bigger mission, procedure or exercise, they require even more mental concentration and physical endurance. I don't really mean to involve our resident farmer (part of the "etc."), but I wonder if Desoto quits after 5 hard hours. I can't understand the ADD or ADHD excuse of "no good emotionally or physically can come out of working more than about five hours a day on any one particular task". Call it what it is, The pussification of America.

 

[WebbFreeman]

for their practice and consultations. Heart surgeons typically only operate one or two days a week. They start early and go until every patient is done. Virtually every specialty surgeon does the same. The surgery days typically span 12-16 hours. The only exceptions are in cases of emergency. If they could only focus for 5 hours, most patients would die. Oh, college baseball and heart surgery are equal how? That .05 percent of the 11.5 scholarships entitles those fucktards to a 2 million dollar lawsuit?

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

...or, more accurately, I went out for college baseball and was on the Millsaps College baseball team my freshman year of school, as a pitcher. I had played football in High School (at Meridian High, where we won two consecutive State championships my junior and senior year), but was tired of two-a-days with coaches yelling at you all the time.<div>
</div><div>I wanted to try out baseball, even though I never played high school ball and the last time I played was in a summer league 3 years before that. As you can expect, I sucked horribly, terribly bad....when I first got there.</div><div>
</div><div>However, I put in the work, listened to the coaches and players, and by the end of the season I only sucked pretty bad. Never got into a game (was going to pitch against Rust, but it was rained out and they never made it up), but pitched plenty of intrasquad scrimmages. At the start of the season, everyone was banging it off the wall. By the end of the season, I was locating my pitches better, changing speeds, brushing batters back with my blazing 70 mph fastball, and actually getting guys out. </div><div>
</div><div>At the end of the season, Coach Tommy Ranager asked me...if I would try out for football the next fall. That fall, I transferred to The Mississippi State University and my brush with intercollegiate sports was over.</div><div>
</div><div>Point is, if a football coach coaching baseball for the extra money like Coach Ranager could tell that a player wasn't any good, someone who's making $600,000 a year to coach the sport definitely knows. </div>

 

[DerHntr]

maybe Cohen is dumber than anyone thought. 8 hours of batting practice on Monday. 8 hours of running bases on Tuesday. 8 hours of pop flies on Wednesday. 8 hours of infield practice on Thursday.

retarded analogy with the surgeon. the surgeon works his *** off during residency (sorta like practice i guess) so that he/she can be the best in short intervals and when necessary can meet the rigors of 10 hours of surgery. but i can guarantee you that working hard and working many, many hours was not an option.

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

And I think BlindDawg got it right. This is a bit of sour grapes coming out, BUT college athletes have absolutely no options once they sign that paper. Even though they are 1 year scholarships, they control your rights for another year. When you have on top of that a coaching change, it makes it very hard on the players, especially those that are not starters on their team. All the rules go against them. They are on one year scholarships and that amount is subject to change every year in Baseball. You have no negotiating ability because any transfer loses a year of eligibility. So when a new coach comes in and wants to make changes and is not impressed with some current players, there is little recourse for these guys.

I have mentioned my issues with the yearly scholarship in the past. I did not receive my verbally promised percentages and there was nothing I could do. I contributed to the team each year I played and had no options when my offer each year was less than what was initially proposed for one lame excuse or the other. I could not sue because that would have caused my entire career to be over. I could not leave because I did not have the ability to talk to other programs. My first year I did not set the world on fire which would have improved my desirability to others. So I settled for 50% when 80% was proposed.

On top of all this, the NCAA archaic amateur rules do not allow players to take full advantage of their situation. They actually do limit the amount of time you can work on the thing you would like to do as a career and force you to spend time doing something else.

So to make that statement of "I would have played for nothing..." or "I would have loved to play and never complained..." is an easy statement to make. The reality would be if you thought you should be a starter over the guy in front of you, you would not be happy. If you and the coach did not get along, you would be miserable. It doesn't matter if your perception is clouded or not. Every team I played on in my life, there were always guys who started that I thought maybe guy behind them was better. There were always coaches decisions I did not agree with at times. So stop this imaginary compliant butt-wipe that you would be if you just got a chance.

 

[KurtRambis4]

think that the players were fielding ground balls, or taking batting practice, or lifting for 8 straight hours? No. They were alternating tasks. Again, for someone to be the best, they are going to be putting in the time to achieve this. I can guarantee anything less than 6 hours will not cut in in pro sports (or even the business world).

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

I'd like to see the transfer rules changed for when some new coach comes in. However, you got to play by the rules that R there.

 

[Eureka Dog]

Can you legally write a double contraction? Example: I'd've for I would have?

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

You can't have rules both ways. You can't only follow the ones you like.

I decided to accept being screwed. Doesn't mean I wasn't screwed. Doesn't mean I liked being screwed. Doesn't make it right because I agreed. It was wrong to offer me 80% to sign that initial paper and then after I signed to only give me 50% because of some ******** excuse. Then the next year offer me 55% when I was originally told it would be 100% because of a different ******** excuse.

If the eligibility time frame wasn't so short, NCAA schools would be sued all the time.