How many votes will it take to dissolve
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Is this a Boulder downhill
By next weekend is there going to be another major story. College Football about to be different.
Ohio State/B1G only have one option.
The PAC 12. Might pick up the big pieces
Just moves. Thing is the PAC/Big 12 have similar media deals. I don’t know if they will push them together if that happens
As it stands no one left. Monday can change this.
People said Tx Tech and Oklahoma State are kissing the ring this entire weekend. Pretty much willing to give everything up
They are just ruthless schools. Oil money is power in some parts of the country. People are weird.
Jerry Jones weird
By next weekend is there going to be another major story. College Football about to be different.
Ohio State/B1G only have one option.
The PAC 12. Might pick up the big pieces
Just moves. Thing is the PAC/Big 12 have similar media deals. I don’t know if they will push them together if that happens
As it stands no one left. Monday can change this.
People said Tx Tech and Oklahoma State are kissing the ring this entire weekend. Pretty much willing to give everything up
They are just ruthless schools. Oil money is power in some parts of the country. People are weird.
Jerry Jones weird
On the surface I like the concept of a Big XII PAC XII merger, but then you realize that the kickoff time for Cal V WVU is midnight and....screw that.
A 20 team SEC means the rest of the P5 schools are going to have to poach to keep up and that puts us in a survivable position. The only question is B1G or ACC (barf). And yeah, I get people want those VaTech (screw them) and sPitt matchups (to hell with sPitt) again, but I also remember how those two schools stabbed us in the back......screw the ACC.
A 20 team SEC means the rest of the P5 schools are going to have to poach to keep up and that puts us in a survivable position. The only question is B1G or ACC (barf). And yeah, I get people want those VaTech (screw them) and sPitt matchups (to hell with sPitt) again, but I also remember how those two schools stabbed us in the back......screw the ACC.
I'd rather the Big 10 than ACC, but it looks like it's gotta be either one of those.
I dont think it matters anymore. The exit fees are probably considered manageable.
ACC gives us back Pitt, VT, 'Cuse games...
but B1G gives us back Penn St, MD, Rutgers games.
I prefer B1G, but just don't see that happening. ACC ... or Big12 leftovers absorbed into PAC are probably the only 2 options.
Here are the relevant sections of the BIG 12 Bylaws:
(b) The following actions may be taken only if approved by the affirmative vote of
a Supermajority of Disinterested Directors (as defined below):
(1) Amendments or modifications to the role and authority of the Board of
Directors and the Advisory Committees (as defined in the Rules);
(2) The dissolution, liquidation, winding-up, merger, sale, or transfer of all or
substantially all of the assets of the Conference;
(3) Admission of a new Member or amendment of Section 1.2.2, 1.2.3, or
1.2.4 above;
(4) Sanction of any Member, as set forth in Section 3 below;
(5) Any action with respect to a Withdrawing Member as set forth in Section
3 below;
(6) Approval or modification of contracts for the provision of teams to bowl
games in intercollegiate football; and
(7) Approval or modification of: (i) Section 2 below or any other policies and
procedures relating to the revenue distribution to the Members; and (ii)
the establishment and funding of, terms or, maintenance of, and release
or dissolution of, any reserves funded with Conference assets or revenues
pursuant to Section 2.5 below.
1.5.2.2 As used in these Bylaws, the following terms shall apply:
(a) The term “Disinterested Director(s)” with respect to any issue shall mean
each person who: (i) is then duly qualified and serving as a member of
the Board of Directors pursuant to Sections 1.5.3 and 1.5.4 below; (ii) is
the Director representative of a Member that has not Withdrawn and has
not been precluded from voting on the matter in question as a Sanctioned
Member; and (iii) is not an Interested Director (as defined below) with
respect to such issue.
(b) The term “Disinterested Director(s) Entitled to Vote” with respect to any
issue shall mean each Disinterested Director who: (i) is Present at a duly
called meeting at which such issue is to be considered; or (ii) signs a
written consent with respect to such issue in accordance with Section
1.6.8 below.
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(c) The term “Interested Director(s)” with respect to any issue means any
Director who has personally, or as to which the Member that such Director
represents has institutionally, a direct or indirect material interest in the
subject matter of the issue (or series of related issues) being considered
by the Board of Directors, that, in the judgment of a majority of the other
Directors who are not Interested Directors with respect to such issue or
series related issues, could reasonably be expected to impact adversely
the objectivity of such Director in voting on such issue or issues. The
interests that all Members have in common as the beneficial members of
the Conference (even if such interests have disparate effects among
Members) will not, in and of itself, cause the Director representing such
Member to be an Interested Director with respect to an issue or issues
impacting all Members as the beneficial members of the Conference. Any
Director who has been determined to be an “Interested Director” in
accordance with the foregoing may appeal such determination only in
accordance with the following: (i) such Director shall submit a written
appeal to the Commissioner and the highest ranking officer of the Board
of Directors who has not been determined to be an Interested Director
with respect to such issue, if any; (ii) the Commissioner and such highest
ranking officer (if any) shall mutually determine and promptly notify such
Interested Director with respect to their (or if there is no such officer, the
Commissioner’s) determination on the matter, which determination shall
set forth whether such Director is deemed to be an “Interested Director”
on the matter in question; and (iii) the determination made by the
Commissioner and any such highest ranking officer of the Board of
Directors shall be final and binding on the Director(s) appealing the initial
determination by the other Directors.
(d) The term “Majority of Disinterested Directors” with respect to any issue
shall mean a majority of all persons who are Disinterested Directors with
respect to such issue, whether or not they are Present at a meeting
considering such issue or sign a written consent with respect to such
issue.
(e) The terms “Present” or “Presence” as used in these Bylaws with respect
to any meeting of the Board of Directors or a meeting of a committee
designated by the Board of Directors shall mean participation by a person
in person at or by means of Remote Access (as defined below) in the
meeting.
(f) The term “Supermajority of Disinterested Directors” with respect to any
issue shall mean seventy-five percent (75%) or more of all persons who
are Disinterested Directors with respect to such issue, whether or not each
is Present at a meeting considering such issue or signs a written consent
with respect to such issue.
1.5.3 Number, Election and Term. The number of members of the Board of Directors
of the Conference (the “Board of Directors”) shall equal the number of Members
in the Conference that have not Withdrawn or are subject to Sanctions that
preclude representation on the Board of Directors, consisting of one (1)
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representative for each such Member, who shall be the most senior campus
executive officer (President or Chancellor) (the “Chief Executive Officer”) of each
Member.
(b) The following actions may be taken only if approved by the affirmative vote of
a Supermajority of Disinterested Directors (as defined below):
(1) Amendments or modifications to the role and authority of the Board of
Directors and the Advisory Committees (as defined in the Rules);
(2) The dissolution, liquidation, winding-up, merger, sale, or transfer of all or
substantially all of the assets of the Conference;
(3) Admission of a new Member or amendment of Section 1.2.2, 1.2.3, or
1.2.4 above;
(4) Sanction of any Member, as set forth in Section 3 below;
(5) Any action with respect to a Withdrawing Member as set forth in Section
3 below;
(6) Approval or modification of contracts for the provision of teams to bowl
games in intercollegiate football; and
(7) Approval or modification of: (i) Section 2 below or any other policies and
procedures relating to the revenue distribution to the Members; and (ii)
the establishment and funding of, terms or, maintenance of, and release
or dissolution of, any reserves funded with Conference assets or revenues
pursuant to Section 2.5 below.
1.5.2.2 As used in these Bylaws, the following terms shall apply:
(a) The term “Disinterested Director(s)” with respect to any issue shall mean
each person who: (i) is then duly qualified and serving as a member of
the Board of Directors pursuant to Sections 1.5.3 and 1.5.4 below; (ii) is
the Director representative of a Member that has not Withdrawn and has
not been precluded from voting on the matter in question as a Sanctioned
Member; and (iii) is not an Interested Director (as defined below) with
respect to such issue.
(b) The term “Disinterested Director(s) Entitled to Vote” with respect to any
issue shall mean each Disinterested Director who: (i) is Present at a duly
called meeting at which such issue is to be considered; or (ii) signs a
written consent with respect to such issue in accordance with Section
1.6.8 below.
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(c) The term “Interested Director(s)” with respect to any issue means any
Director who has personally, or as to which the Member that such Director
represents has institutionally, a direct or indirect material interest in the
subject matter of the issue (or series of related issues) being considered
by the Board of Directors, that, in the judgment of a majority of the other
Directors who are not Interested Directors with respect to such issue or
series related issues, could reasonably be expected to impact adversely
the objectivity of such Director in voting on such issue or issues. The
interests that all Members have in common as the beneficial members of
the Conference (even if such interests have disparate effects among
Members) will not, in and of itself, cause the Director representing such
Member to be an Interested Director with respect to an issue or issues
impacting all Members as the beneficial members of the Conference. Any
Director who has been determined to be an “Interested Director” in
accordance with the foregoing may appeal such determination only in
accordance with the following: (i) such Director shall submit a written
appeal to the Commissioner and the highest ranking officer of the Board
of Directors who has not been determined to be an Interested Director
with respect to such issue, if any; (ii) the Commissioner and such highest
ranking officer (if any) shall mutually determine and promptly notify such
Interested Director with respect to their (or if there is no such officer, the
Commissioner’s) determination on the matter, which determination shall
set forth whether such Director is deemed to be an “Interested Director”
on the matter in question; and (iii) the determination made by the
Commissioner and any such highest ranking officer of the Board of
Directors shall be final and binding on the Director(s) appealing the initial
determination by the other Directors.
(d) The term “Majority of Disinterested Directors” with respect to any issue
shall mean a majority of all persons who are Disinterested Directors with
respect to such issue, whether or not they are Present at a meeting
considering such issue or sign a written consent with respect to such
issue.
(e) The terms “Present” or “Presence” as used in these Bylaws with respect
to any meeting of the Board of Directors or a meeting of a committee
designated by the Board of Directors shall mean participation by a person
in person at or by means of Remote Access (as defined below) in the
meeting.
(f) The term “Supermajority of Disinterested Directors” with respect to any
issue shall mean seventy-five percent (75%) or more of all persons who
are Disinterested Directors with respect to such issue, whether or not each
is Present at a meeting considering such issue or signs a written consent
with respect to such issue.
1.5.3 Number, Election and Term. The number of members of the Board of Directors
of the Conference (the “Board of Directors”) shall equal the number of Members
in the Conference that have not Withdrawn or are subject to Sanctions that
preclude representation on the Board of Directors, consisting of one (1)
6
representative for each such Member, who shall be the most senior campus
executive officer (President or Chancellor) (the “Chief Executive Officer”) of each
Member.
Don’t forget one of your go-to narratives……the ACC is imploding and the Bug12 grabbing Miami, FSU and Clemson and USC
I'm sure there are some "elements" out there that would like to try to stear BIG 12 core schools into the AAC--because they have a vested financial interest in that.
I think there is 0% chance that the core BIG 12 schools including WVU have any intention of joining the AAC. If there is any connection down the road it would be core BIG 12 schools pulling some of those schools into their conference, no chance of the other way around.
Don’t forget one of your go-to narratives……the ACC is imploding and the Bug12 grabbing Miami, FSU and Clemson and USC
Hard Facts
Any school that isn’t in these top 2 conferences is in trouble
If you can’t accept this I don’t know what to tell you. The plan to create a 3rd didn’t work. I for sure underestimated how much power ESPN/FOX has.
More than that those top 2 could both be over 1 billion dollars soon
The SEC will be for sure
I hope the conferences and teams that want to be semi pro just get it over with as soon as possible. It may be too late to save college sports anyway. As spectators and amateur athletes ourselves we do have choices as to where we spend our time and money. There are still athletes out there who aren't playing for money. Much has been lost in the quest for the biggest payday.
Hard Facts
Any school that isn’t in these top 2 conferences is in trouble
If you can’t accept this I don’t know what to tell you. The plan to create a 3rd didn’t work. I for sure underestimated how much power ESPN/FOX has.
More than that those top 2 could both be over 1 billion dollars soon
The SEC will be for sure
That’s your opinion. Nothing more because you have zero sources that can give you a sense of what’s next. I do! WVU is gonna be fine. Anything else you post is irrelevant. Sit back and read between the lines I provide. Your opinion is wrong and irrelevant.
Not an opinion dumbass
WVU going to do fine because they will fight and claw their way in somewhere
But to think the ACC is long term would be a lie
Regarding sources This has been well known for the past 10 years
We are now eating other conferences. PAC 12 could be next
That just leaves the ACC
UNC already proved they will do anything to win in basketball.
This probably would include destroying their conference
WVU going to do fine because they will fight and claw their way in somewhere
But to think the ACC is long term would be a lie
Regarding sources
This has been well known for the past 10 yearsWe are now eating other conferences. PAC 12 could be next
That just leaves the ACC
UNC already proved they will do anything to win in basketball.
This probably would include destroying their conference
Not an opinion dumbass
WVU going to do fine because they will fight and claw their way in somewhere
But to think the ACC is long term would be a lie
Regarding sources
We are now eating other conferences. PAC 12 could be next
That just leaves the ACC
UNC already proved they will do anything to win in basketball.
This probably would include destroying their conference
Oh my bad. Didn’t realize you where in the know
. So you googled some low level talkin head are pirating that person‘s opinion. In either case you’re a numbskull. LOL at you calling for end of ACC time after time after time after time............
You have zero credibility pal. Everyone on this site knows what I posted then calling you out and posting things that actually happened. 4 or 5 phone calls over last several days tells me all I need to know. Again, several years later, you have no idea what you’re posting about and I do
.Oh my bad. Didn’t realize you where in the know
LOL at you calling for end of ACC time after time after time after time............
You have zero credibility pal. Everyone on this site knows what I posted then calling you out and posting things that actually happened. 4 or 5 phone calls over last several days tells me all I need to know. Again, several years later, you have no idea what you’re posting about and I do
You are a smart man
What are UNCs choices when schools like Texas, Arkansas or even LSU are getting more attention and money than them in BASKETBALL.
What Sankey did there was beautiful. Pretty much showed UNCs true colors. They will run over their own mama to win in basketball
Hard Facts
Any school that isn’t in these top 2 conferences is in trouble
If you can’t accept this I don’t know what to tell you. The plan to create a 3rd didn’t work. I for sure underestimated how much power ESPN/FOX has.
More than that those top 2 could both be over 1 billion dollars soon
The SEC will be for sure
Weird! According to you and the other Big12 homers on this site the Big12 were making way more than the ACC and the PAC12. Yet there is the Big12 bringing up the rear
. Like I’ve been saying for years.......The Big12 sucks and couldn’t care less about WVU.
Weird! According to you and the other Big12 homers on this site the Big12 were making way more than the ACC and the PAC12. Yet there is the Big12 bringing up the rear
Like I’ve been saying for years.......The Big12 sucks and couldn’t care less about WVU.
Less schools
Are you sure about what you do for a living
Don’t even think you are at college level math yet
More proof you’re an uneducated idiot. Basketball is completely irrelevant in this discussion. To argue anything basketball proves your idiocy.
No NCAA No NCAA Tournament
Do your research. How much money is in the NCAA Tournament
There is money in basketball
More than that this doesn’t mean UNC won’t make a move based on basketball
UNC is a giant piece
Elite Academics and Elite athletics
They just don’t have the market like Texas
It‘s Greg. I’m very sure about everything I’m posting. Graduated from Pitt and attended CMU until I went up to Manhattan with Dean Witter MorganStanley. What’s your point about math again?
Just so I get this right. You’re moving goal posts to include the NCAAs? Aaaaaaaaahahahahaha are you an idiot. One that pot of money is irrelevant but the obvious end is, let me repeat IS, bye bye NCAA. NCAA is almost not even discussed in Trustee meeting now
. Their days are numbered. Again you have no idea what you’re posting about. You should just shut up and pay attention to my posts over the next TWO months.500 dollars split 4 ways is more money per person than 1000 split 10 ways
Big 12 money split 10 ways is more than the ACC split 15.
Plus the ACC data includes third tier rights
Just so I get this right. You’re moving goal posts to include the NCAAs? Aaaaaaaaahahahahaha are you an idiot. One that pot of money is irrelevant but the obvious end is, let me repeat IS, bye bye NCAA. NCAA is almost not even discussed in Trustee meeting now
You are confirming what I said.
No NCAA No NCAA Tournament
Do me a favor. Research the money for TV rights for the NCAA Tournament
Slow…
The conference makes less, but the teams make more because of the #splits. ACC pays approx $30Mill per team, while BIG12 pays teams approx $36Mill.Weird! According to you and the other Big12 homers on this site the Big12 were making way more than the ACC and the PAC12. Yet there is the Big12 bringing up the rear
Like I’ve been saying for years.......The Big12 sucks and couldn’t care less about WVU.
Honestly, if Bolsby could swallow his pride, the best move would be to join with the Pac12, and redistribute the divisions on a geography basis, as best as possible. Honestly, PAC12 would be stupid not to make that move. From a conference revenue perspective it would put them more aligned with SEC/BigTen, tho the individual teams would not get as much.
Not sure if WVU would remain in that or not, I suppose it would depend on what the revenue would be vs ACC offer.. It would be cool to play USC, Washington, OR, ever so often tho.. In the end, its highly unlikely to happen.
You missed the point again. The Big12 was never stable. They weren’t making that much more and as I said many times Texas was never signing a GOR of substance. Dude I posted a long time ago about Texas being very close to joining the ACC. That was like two years ago. You, in particular, got emotional and started your smug toxic posting when I posted that. If you deny that your delusions. It can be easily looked up. So do this puppet.......go back in archives and repost so goal post line up. You’re as pathetic now as your were years ago.
I know split vol. I’m just busting the clown’s chops because he acts like the money difference was so huge ACC schools would run to Big12. He was calling for FSU, Clemson and Miami going to Big12. He said N.D. and USC were coming to Big12. It’s ok and actually fun to brainstorm but he’s smug and arrogant. According to the people I know WVU is gonna be fine.
Your conclusion is interesting but I believe, IMO, that the BigTen and PAC12 relationship with Rose Bowl may come into play by the end of this.
Whatever you want to tell yourself
The stupidity is that during this entire time you didn’t see the water rise on your island.
The big schools are leaving. They will leave us to drown
Now the question becomes what is the best way forward.
WVU to fight their way into the big tent
Umm the Big12 are leaving what Conference again? So once again the Big12 is the beta conference getting poached again.
Let’s try to be civil for a second. I know you google and research and I respect that as long as that research is cited. You have some excellent takes. It’s the arrogant presentation of that research that makes it hard to engage with you.
Do you see 4 16s? Personally no 16 is gonna get to SEC level now. What if BigTen went bigger through partnership. Say they add 6-10 programs. Maybe even 12. Negotiate much like a buying group. That is about all that can compete with this new SEC. There are some serious brainstorming going on. What’s your take on something like that.
Too busy trolling
Two choices
You are slow. The type of person that cleans porta potties because that is all he knows how to do
Need attention
ACC is finished.
If it doesn’t happen now it will happen in the future
National NIL vs Local NIL
ESPN vs FOX
ESPN probably will win. The South selling out to New England
They have the talent in their backyard
You can look down on an area or you can look down on their football
Don’t respect football unless it is from TX, LA, GA or FL
High School at least
Won’t leave. Funny how TX sucked Ohio State down to force the SECs hand
Two choices
You are slow. The type of person that cleans porta potties because that is all he knows how to do
Need attention
ACC is finished.
If it doesn’t happen now it will happen in the future
National NIL vs Local NIL
ESPN vs FOX
ESPN probably will win. The South selling out to New England
They have the talent in their backyard
You can look down on an area or you can look down on their football
Don’t respect football unless it is from TX, LA, GA or FL
High School at least
Won’t leave. Funny how TX sucked Ohio State down to force the SECs hand
It may not be the entire PAC 12 that is still around for a prospective merger.
Big 10 is looking at taking the 6 best PAC 12 teams and creating a western pod. All of this in retaliation for the moves being made by the SEC.
Big 10 has yet to determine what their next move is, but the only blockbuster move they have at their disposal is to bring in Southern Cal, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Oregon and Colorado. A move like that would put even more pressure on Clemson and Florida State.
This thing isn't over by a long shot. Stay tuned.
Please elaborate on your last comment in the thread. How did Tx suck down Ohio St?Too busy trolling
Two choices
You are slow. The type of person that cleans porta potties because that is all he knows how to do
Need attention
ACC is finished.
If it doesn’t happen now it will happen in the future
National NIL vs Local NIL
ESPN vs FOX
ESPN probably will win. The South selling out to New England
They have the talent in their backyard
You can look down on an area or you can look down on their football
Don’t respect football unless it is from TX, LA, GA or FL
High School at least
Won’t leave. Funny how TX sucked Ohio State down to force the SECs hand
This is why California so important. Enough talent in the Northeast and the West.
We will see
Could be interesting.
These media companies can determine a lot with NIL.
They wanted Texas and Oklahoma
Been working on that for about 7-8 years
We will see
Could be interesting.
These media companies can determine a lot with NIL.
They wanted Texas and Oklahoma
Been working on that for about 7-8 years
Too busy trolling
Two choices
You are slow. The type of person that cleans porta potties because that is all he knows how to do
Need attention
ACC is finished.
If it doesn’t happen now it will happen in the future
National NIL vs Local NIL
ESPN vs FOX
ESPN probably will win. The South selling out to New England
They have the talent in their backyard
You can look down on an area or you can look down on their football
Don’t respect football unless it is from TX, LA, GA or FL
High School at least
Won’t leave. Funny how TX sucked Ohio State down to force the SECs hand
Yep just as I thought. Good night sir.
Split the country at the Mississippi. Naturally the division of this country east to west for the longest time
Why you have an Arch
Then split it North from South
The true division is North from South. Not East to West. Not hearing anyone talking about a Civil War between the East and West.
You have 4 conferences
Two bigs ones
North
South
They move East to West
Then you have the leftovers in the West…
Remains of the PAC 12/Big 12
Might have Oregon. Might have Oklahoma State. Find out who is in the conference
The leftovers in the East
The ACC
West VA could be the unicorn. Who knows. We will see
Why you have an Arch
Then split it North from South
The true division is North from South. Not East to West. Not hearing anyone talking about a Civil War between the East and West.
You have 4 conferences
Two bigs ones
North
South
They move East to West
Then you have the leftovers in the West…
Remains of the PAC 12/Big 12
Might have Oregon. Might have Oklahoma State. Find out who is in the conference
The leftovers in the East
The ACC
West VA could be the unicorn. Who knows. We will see