How many wins gets Chris Ash a raise??

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

What if it’s like 2006 all over again? What if we sweep September? What if we win 10 games?

Is that good enough to get Chris Ash a raise?

 

[red sail]

RAISE???? WTF? how about get to .500 and possibly a bowl game.

 

[WhiteBus]

What if it’s like 2006 all over again? What if we sweep September? What if we win 10 games?

Is that good enough to get Chris Ash a raise?

The big difference between 2006 and 2019 is that we saw great improvement in 2004 and 2005 leading up to 2006. The past two years we have dramatically regressed.

 

[RUaMoose_rivals]

2006 came after a solid foundation season in 2005 (7-5 with a competitive bowl loss). It's rare to see a 1-11 team go to 6-6 and a bowl let alone 10 wins which is fantasy.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

If he can go to a bowl game then he KEEPS his job for another year. He ain't getting no damn raise no matter how many wins he gets.

Another losing season and most likely this will be his last.

 

[DJ Spanky]

 

[Knight Shift]

 

[superfan01]

Al. You mentioned s while back you started using prescription strength Rogaine how is that going? Aldo did you ever purchase that toilet bowl?

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Don’t give long term guaranteed financial commitments for short term results. It’s the norm but I rail against it here all the time. Point you to former Colorado HC Mike Macintyre as just one example. Nice contract bump and boost off one big year and then fizzled thereafter and was fired. If they want to walk let them you’re likely not losing the next Saban or Meyer.

 

[Yeah Baby]

8

 

[BlockR]

What if it’s like 2006 all over again? What if we sweep September? What if we win 10 games?

Is that good enough to get Chris Ash a raise?

 

[scarletbergen]

8

Yup, 8 wins get him a raise. 10 wins gets him a huge raise

 

[MADHAT1]

2 w

What if it’s like 2006 all over again? What if we sweep September? What if we win 10 games?

Is that good enough to get Chris Ash a raise?

2 wins will get him a one year extension.
Improving from the previous year should be rewarded [banana]:cool2:[eyeroll]

 

[Knight Shift]

Yup, 8 wins get him a raise. 10 wins gets him a huge raise

Let's not jump the gun here. Remember what followed the 4-8 2017 season?

 

[Knight Shift]

Don’t give long term guaranteed financial commitments for short term results. It’s the norm but I rail against it here all the time. Point you to former Colorado HC Mike Macintyre as just one example. Nice contract bump and boost off one big year and then fizzled thereafter and was fired. If they want to walk let them you’re likely not losing the next Saban or Meyer.

@rutgersguy1 should be on the compensation and hiring committee for RU athletics.

 

[MADHAT1]

Let's not jump the gun here. Remember what followed the 4-8 2017 season?

Hobbs adding two years to Ash's contract on top of the three he had remaining?[roll]

 

[waveslider]

Dude I love you but your act is old.

 

[Plum Street]

Even with 6 wins I wouldn’t raise or extend him. But he can stay another year.

 

[BlockR]

Even with 6 wins I wouldn’t raise or extend him. But he can stay another year.

there is zero chance Ash wins 6 games. Vegas does not get too much wrong. Bet with the odds.2.5 to 3 wins Max.
End of November goodbye press Conference.

 

[Plum Street]

there is zero chance Ash wins 6 games. Vegas does not get too much wrong. Bet with the odds.2.5 to 3 wins Max.
End of November goodbye press Conference.

Yeah, very little chance he gets 6. But with some breaks and luck he may get 4 or 5. That would be worst case scenario because he may get retained.

 

[BlockR]

Yeah, very little chance he gets 6. But with some breaks and luck he may get 4 or 5. That would be worst case scenario because he may get retained.

after the empty stands this season,doubtful 4 wins will save him.
that would be 11 wins in 4 seasons with over 35 losses.

 

[Plum Street]

after the empty stands this season,doubtful 4 wins will save him.
that would be 11 wins in 4 seasons with over 35 losses.

One win shouldn’t have saved him last year . Don’t discount the Hobbs spin of 4 wins.

 

[Scarlet_Monster]

My biggest worry is that he'll back into 3 wins, and Hobbs will see that as progress, and lets the disASHter era run amok for another year.

 

[Knight Shift]

My biggest worry is that he'll back into 3 wins, and Hobbs will see that as progress, and lets the disASHter era run amok for another year.

In Hobbs' own words, Ash needs to show "significant improvement." 3 Wins would not be considered as significant improvement by most people here. But, if Ash reeled off 3 wins at the end of the season against Ohio State, Michigan State and Penn State, wonder how some would feel about 3 wins. The probability of that happening, however, is zero.

 

[RU Cheese]

13 wins and a national championship gets him a raise

 

[Wolv RU]

Yup, 8 wins get him a raise. 10 wins gets him a huge raise

No number. It's pretty clear he's not a good long term fit for Rutgers. It would be amazing if, instead of talking about how much Ash's guaranteed contract is going to cost Rutgers since he's no longer there, if next off season Hobbs was counting the money from the buyout Ash owes Rutgers if he leaves for a different job.

And now, back to reality...

 

[Dpgru]

Al, forget about a raise. The question is how many wins will be needed to take the pressure off of him and get him off the hot seat lists that will be put out from several sources prior to next season.

 

[Wolv RU]

there is zero chance Ash wins 6 games. Vegas does not get too much wrong. Bet with the odds.2.5 to 3 wins Max.
End of November goodbye press Conference.

Yet they do get some things very wrong sometimes. Look no farther than the bath they took on their own NHL team in its first year.

With that said, I think 3 wins seems like a pretty likely outcome. With Rutgers' luck, it will be 4 and that will put the Ash tenure into a gray area as to whether he gets another year. 3 or less, or 5 or more would just be so much easier than 4.

 

[waveslider]

Al, forget about a raise. The question is how many wins will be needed to take the pressure off of him and get him off the hot seat lists that will be put out from several sources prior to next season.

IMO 4 or higher and show improvement against the big schools.

 

[Wolv RU]

Al, forget about a raise. The question is how many wins will be needed to take the pressure off of him and get him off the hot seat lists that will be put out from several sources prior to next season.

6 would take a little pressure off. 5 does not and makes 2020 "bowl or bust". You aren't going to keep a coach that can't get to .500 or make a bowl even once in 5 years (2016-2020) -- especially given the conference distribution that would be available at that point.

 

[RU2055]

I doubt if Ash will ever get to win 10 games here. He wins 7 games and a blueblood school will poach him ........... and BlockR's new complaint will be how come Hobbs didn't have the money to keep him.

 

[Knight Shift]

I doubt if Ash will ever get to win 10 games here. He wins 7 games and a blueblood school will poach him ........... and BlockR's new complaint will be how come Hobbs didn't have the money to keep him.

Doubt many coaches will get to 10 wins here. That would require winning 8, and 2 of Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State and Penn State.
Consistent 6-7 wins seasons, with an 8 or 9 win season once every 4 or 5 years would be a success.

 

[Upstream]

OK. I'll play along. As others have pointed out, it will be a challenge for Ash to win enough to deserve to keep his job. It is really unlikely that after a 1-11 season that he will win enough to deserve a raise.

But let's say he beats the odds. How many games does Ash need to win to deserve a raise.

I don't think beating UMass, BC, UMD, IU, Minn, Liberty, and UI, does it. His current compensation package is based on being able to win those games in year 4, plus being able to steal an additional game. So certainly the answer is more than 8 games.

But if he goes 9-3 in the regular season after going 1-11, how do you know which season is the aberration. So I think the answer needs to be more than 9 games.

I would say he deserves a raise if he wins 10 games plus a bowl game, and there are no significant issues with the program.

 

[Plum Street]

Doubt many coaches will get to 10 wins here. That would require winning 8, and 2 of Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State and Penn State.
Consistent 6-7 wins seasons, with an 8 or 9 win season once every 4 or 5 years would be a success.

I think he meant 10 wins in his entire career here.

 

[BlockR]

he losses to Liberty he should be fired that night.
Kansas
Buffalo
Liberty.

 

[RUSK97]

Simple. If he wins 25 games this year, we should extend his contract. :sunglasses:

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Simple. If he wins 25 games this year, we should extend his contract. :sunglasses:

Or to be fair at least 15 games. That should do it.

 

[MADHAT1]

Beat UMass and let them know NJ is not a nice state for them to come it .
Upset Iowa at their house, but wish them good fortune for the rest of season
Beat BC, but a lot worse then RU did the Minutemen and make all of Boston fear the Ash
Beat the Turtles and make them think of RU as their better.
Beat the Hoosiers , because Ash can.
Make PJ cry as because his team rowed in the wrong direction
Give me Liberty, or Ash's job.
The Fighting Illi go down without a fight
and finally Rutgers shuts up Nit fans and have their board explode every-time the Rutgers game is mentioned..
Those 9 wins will mean Ash can comeback, but 10 wins gives him an extra year ( but no buyout for that extra year)

 

[RU4Real]

Ya know, if you just throw a sheet over Al's cage, he'll fall asleep.

 

[RUbytheshore]

Ash has an automatic pay raise of 100K per year built into his contract no matter how many wins he gets.

https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/2017/11/chris_ash_signs_new_5-year_contract_at_rutgers_pat.html