It’s not age in the hiring field. It’s the person. I hire a ton of people from young to old and honestly there is no age group that sticks out. But what does stick out are the people who NEED a job. Not just want. Those are my best workers.
How soft and scared has our society became ?
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What? Do you have links or anything? Not trying to be a smartass either I just find this hard to believe.
If management/ownership is bad, it doesn't really matter what the quality of the employee is, they aren’t going to be take care of folks. I had a previous job where I was at for about 1.25 years, earned employee of the quarter twice, which was voted on by management.
When I left that job for a far superior job and got laid off at that job because of COVID, they told the employment commission three 100% lies to try to prevent me from getting unemployment money. I ended up getting two of my unemployment payments late because of it.
Agreed. Bigger ones generally (not all but generally) will gladly fire someone the second they find out it can save them a dollar on the bottom line, or reduce your hours to prevent having to give you benefits, or keep you at 39 hours and never promoting you to full time, or giving you a tiny raise to bump you up into the next benefits tier so you have to pay more and the company pays less with it thus amounting to a pay decrease
There are certain things I won’t even consider putting up with if the $ is too little.
You paying me like $50K a year? Alright I’ll consider sit at some desk at a call center for Comcast and get yelled at by dick customers for 8 hours a day.
Paying me $75K? Alright where do I sign up?
Paying me $12 an hour with no benefits like I’ve seen those jobs advertised for? lol not a chance in hell unless no one else will hire me.
But when it effects the quality of the product, was it really an effective fire? It may work out short term, but it likely won’t long term unless your customers are stupid enough to keep paying the same price for an inferior product.
I'm opening an hour late this am . Be driving my regular 25 miles to get there . Have no clue who may or may not show as far as employees go . The 2 out of 5 who made it yesterday will still make it today I'd presume. One lives 4 miles up a narrow , low use road that is untouched by the state or country . she drove a front wheel drive car in yesterday . You can get there if you want to .
Let's bring in more stuff made from china (and others) so we can buy stuff cheap at the big box stores. We don't need manufacturing jobs anyhow. Everyone can sit around on Big Rock Candy Mountain, drink from the lemonade springs, and think noble thoughts while inventing things. That is unless global warming melts the candy and dries up the lemonade springs.
Hell I don’t even when I’ve had jobs with no PTO. Like when I worked at a restaurant. You’re paying me $12 an hour for 8 hours of work with no benefits. If I even get in a minor accident because of the road conditions, it’s likely costing me more than what I would make by showing up to work and I wouldn’t even get in a full shift because I for sure would be getting in to work late.
What do you feel is the biggest detriment to your success in this country?
As of now, I’m just hoping I end up liking the job I just started. In a completely new field of work form anything I’ve done before.
My job is tied to manufacturing and no sector of the economy monetizes human life as much. Modern manufacturing has no conscience. I've heard production people referred to as "bodies" regularly. I've seen $12/hr personnel walk to get to work and get screamed at. One girl road a scooter and showed up in snow so she could keep her job.
A coworker bragged about never missing and would come in every 4 hours over an entire weekend to keep something working. After he died of a massive heart attack the company posted his obituary and job opening side by side on the bulletin board. They didn't send flowers to the funeral and they certainly didn't do anything for the 9 year old daughter he left behind. I'll never put a job ahead of the health or safety of myself or family and advise others to do the same.
I actually spent yesterday teaching myself to play Big Rock Candy Mountain on mandolin
That's tragic and abuses happen. Should we give our manufacturing jobs to china? The more cheap imports that come in, the more pressure on business to be tight with money or they can't keep their doors open. We wind up with people working at the WalMarts of the world instead of making a product. There's a middle ground somewhere.
You're not far off man. The progresses we've made due to the Industrial Revolution have come at a human cost, literally and metaphorically.
You see people today going on about moving into Tiny Houses, or getting away and moving out of the city. More and more people seem to be rejecting the lifestyle they've been sold on. People want to work remotely in jobs that can function that way, specifically because they'd like to live somewhere that allows them a modicum of a real life.
Look, we all have to suck it up and pay the bills, regardless of our life philosophy.
But it wasn't that long ago that people lived in small towns and rural areas predominately. Only 2 or 3 generations. We are still adapting and evolving to the ramifications of these changes. And on stuff like, for example snow days, when heaven forbid people want to stay safe, stay home and look after their family, etc instead of being castigated for not sucking it up and hauling *** into the coal mine, 99.9% of people just don't ******* care about the work not getting done that day because there are more important things in life, and they show up whether or not them getting their next paycheck is predicated upon their attendance that day.
Yes, society has gotten softer but some of that is also an entirely predictable pushback against this insanely unfulfilling work at all cost mentality. There's a balance. I don't advocate some lazy *** welfare state at any level. You want the good things in life, you work for them.
Your story doesn't make sense.
A company who is laying people off due to COVID does not have a reasonable expectation to fight unemployment. The unemployment office is going to see that multiple people were also laid off at the company's own admission, so the company isn't going to just pretend that a few people were conveniently fired for cause at the exact same time just to deny a few unemployment claims.
You want people to believe others were laid off but YOU ALONE were the one that they singled out to deny? They must have really hated you.
What really happened? They wouldn't let you work from home, so you threw a fit and walked off the job? Did you keep trying to stay home in an effort to quarantine due to contact tracing, but you didn't have enough personal/vacation days to cover it? Did you bad mouth management because you didn't like how they were handing COVID, and then you were let go for being a contemptuous little sh*t?
What were the "lies" they said about you? Be honest.
You would consider being constantly on here complaining about your job (or lack thereof)/low pay situation to be successful?
No it’s the job that I had voluntarily left that tried to squirrel their way out of paying me unemployment. The district manager actually offered me a 25% raise when I told them I was leaving but it was still considerably less than what I was leaving for and they offered no benefits so it was a no brainer to leave.
They claimed I violated some employee rule four weeks after I had left the company (apparently I am supposed to follow their rules into perpetuity!), said I didn’t give them a reason for leaving when I told every manager I got a new job and was leaving in two weeks, and then claimed I didn’t use my vacation time correctly when management came up with the plan and approved it.
The company was **** to people a lot of the time. As I said I was there only about 1.25 years and only two people were still there from when I started and the full staff was between 30-40 people.
One of my former coworkers there got COVID and had worked five days before she tested positive. The company refused to do any extra cleaning or tell any other employees of the exposure. So outside of work she told her fellow coworkers like a responsible adult should do and the company fired her for it.
And when they started bringing back people they had furloughed because of COVID, they were only giving people like five hours a week, even if they were supposed to be guaranteed full-time hours, and telling them if they refused to return to work for only five hours that they would call the employment commission to get their unemployment cancelled. Just about everyone they did that to just quit and got jobs elsewhere.
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I love the ignore feature but it makes reading a post in the Paddock like trying to listen to the clean version of a rap song. I have so many idiots blocked and there are so many post that are missing you just have to guess what nonsense was said and try to fill in the blanks. 
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Is anyone else getting tired of the words safe, safety, safely being slung at us everyday with no definition of what that means? Throw that word around and you can justify doing anything, everything or nothing.
Gotcha, I definitely misunderstood his point. I though he was saying people were making wages similar to the 1960s, but basically what that’s saying is that what people in the 60s were making they are basically making now in the middle class. Which seems completely normal doesn’t it? Like why is that unusual or bad?
It says inflation has increased at a much higher rate than wages have. What in earth did you read to come to that conclusion? It literally says the below in the second link
“Let’s just discuss the issues of wages: they are not keeping up with inflation. Consider the data below. While the GDP has risen (after inflation), real incomes have barely budged.”
I'm not an economist, but it's really that the cost of living + inflation have way outpaced the rate of wages, so people who were once "middle class" in 1978 dollars are often profoundly struggling based on lack of buying power in 2018 (or 2021 dollars). The Forbes article has some pretty alarming stats on the number of Americans making "middle class" wages who are short on basic bills on a regular basis.
This still doesn't make any sense. Why would you qualify for unemployment if you voluntarily left the job with another job offer on the table?
I didn’t read the second link - but this is from the 1st:
“A similar measure – the “usual weekly earnings” of employed, full-time wage and salary workers – tells much the same story, albeit over a shorter time period. In seasonally adjusted current dollars, median usual weekly earnings rose from $232 in the first quarter of 1979 (when the data series began) to $879 in the second quarter of this year, which might sound like a lot. But in real, inflation-adjusted terms, the median has barely budged over that period: That $232 in 1979 had the same purchasing power as $840 in today’s dollars.”
which sounds like people currently have only slightly more purchasing power than 1979, which sounds completely normal and understandable unless I’m completely missing something (which is very possible).
I would consider my family a middle class family from an income standpoint. We have tried to be smart with our money and while we don't struggle we aren't' stowing cash away by the bundles either . We no credit card debt and have most other things paid off with the exception of our house and my truck. Due to insurance (home, auto, life, health, dental, etc), utilities (electric, water, cell phone, tv) and keeping food on the table and clothes on the kids it eats up a good portion of our wages. I know it has to be a struggle for people in the lower income brackets.
Because I was working, that’s how you get laid off. You can’t get laid off if you’re unemployed.
Lol WTF.
Are you talking about backpay of unemployment?
You left the job for a different one. You shouldn't be receiving unemployment benefits after you voluntarily leave, especially 4 weeks after you have left and presumably started your new job. Something is missing in the details or you have committed unemployment fraud.
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There are several things in my lifetime that at least in my opinion as an amateur economist have to have exceeded the growth of wages. In no particular order:
1. Housing
2. Health care
3. Education, especially higher education.
So, if you have a family and want to buy them a house, have good insurance and regular medical and dental care, plus put your kids through college, not exactly wild eyed crazy expenditures, it just costs a hell of a lot more now than it did 30 or 40 years ago, even adjusted for inflation.
1. Housing
2. Health care
3. Education, especially higher education.
So, if you have a family and want to buy them a house, have good insurance and regular medical and dental care, plus put your kids through college, not exactly wild eyed crazy expenditures, it just costs a hell of a lot more now than it did 30 or 40 years ago, even adjusted for inflation.
I think you also have to factor in how much more of a consumer society we’ve become. People nowadays require a 1,000 dollar phone with 100 dollar a month plan, larger homes, multiple streaming and cable services, general increase in property taxes, and like you mentioned the ridiculous price of higher education.
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The Internet is also a necessary utility now. We don't have home phones now, so that means yeah, our mobile devices eat up a lot of scratch, but there's not a lot of getting around that when you need to have internet and phone at home to be a functional member of 2021 society (ESPECIALLY if you're going to WFH).
1. Housing. Meh...still affordable housing in most markets. I think expectations for large footage and bells and whistles are what has driven price up.
2and3. Completely agree. Subsidies and regulation of these have vastly inflated pricing...we're paying more for less.
2and3. Completely agree. Subsidies and regulation of these have vastly inflated pricing...we're paying more for less.
I don't think you understand how unemployment works or you are too stupid to understand what laid off means.
If you get laid off, you're eligible for unemployment. That's the way it is in every state.
Virginia unemployment money is based on how much you made over the last two years. Any employers you had during that two-year period are partially responsible for payment of the unemployment. Only employers that are exempted are ones that fire you and if the employee left to not work.
I got laid furloughed for a month (then a couple months later laid off). During that furlough, every job I had during the past two years determined my unemployment payment and who pays for the unemployment. Thus, the job I voluntarily left for another job was required to pay into my unemployment. That's how it works in Virginia.
Do I need to explain it to you like you are two? Because clearly explaining it to you like you are five is not working.
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that’s why i’ll never work at a factory. the school system grooms us for factory work by the time you’re 18 you’re ready to go work in a factory and be used to it.