How the mighty have fallen?

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Just got an email from PSU offering $30 tickets for Nevada and ….Nebraska?
I’m shocked all those Matt Rhule fans haven’t already bought those tix. I guess Little Red no longer travels well.

Of course, perhaps it’s just for games against states that begin with the letters “Ne.”
 

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Eventually the GenXers will get too old to go to games and then sales will really be hurting. Right now fans are still loyal to their schools but it’s waning. There just isn’t a new generation of fans - there is so much else to see and do and spend money on. Who wants to root for players for hire? At least the NFL has a draft. My interest in college and Penn State football has never been lower.
 

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Just got an email from PSU offering $30 tickets for Nevada and ….Nebraska?
I’m shocked all those Matt Rhule fans haven’t already bought those tix. I guess Little Red no longer travels well.

Of course, perhaps it’s just for games against states that begin with the letters “Ne.”
I’m more shocked people do season tickets to see 6 blue hen games and one guaranteed loss
 

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Eventually the GenXers will get too old to go to games and then sales will really be hurting. Right now fans are still loyal to their schools but it’s waning. There just isn’t a new generation of fans - there is so much else to see and do and spend money on. Who wants to root for players for hire? At least the NFL has a draft. My interest in college and Penn State football has never been lower.
TV and one pac10 away trip is the new key to PSU fandom for the rick. Now that I have my car, I may drive solo to OSU just to see what the fuss is about. I’ll be rocking no PSU gear and wearing a red bland hoodie
I may add an OSU license plate bracket to offset my DE plate.
 

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Just got an email from PSU offering $30 tickets for Nevada and ….Nebraska?
I’m shocked all those Matt Rhule fans haven’t already bought those tix. I guess Little Red no longer travels well.

Of course, perhaps it’s just for games against states that begin with the letters “Ne.”
Are those $30 tickets on the top of the new temporary section that isn't even completed? Are there elevators?

I remember a comedian joking about carnival rides that are rushed to be assembled. He said it reminded him of trying to assemble his kid's Christmas presents on Christmas Eve and he always had parts left over.
 
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Eventually the GenXers will get too old to go to games and then sales will really be hurting. Right now fans are still loyal to their schools but it’s waning. There just isn’t a new generation of fans - there is so much else to see and do and spend money on. Who wants to root for players for hire? At least the NFL has a draft. My interest in college and Penn State football has never been lower.
The enshitification of everything is a huge contributing factor. Events continue to squeeze consumers at every turn with fees, surcharges, price increases while the experience gets worse unless you pony up for a "premium" experience which in most cases is little more than what the standard experience used to be. The public is viewed as a wallet, not a person, and the peasant experience keeps getting downgraded while the "luxury and premium" experience takes precedence over everything. These vendors for events, sports, concerts, subscription services, etc. love to act like they are selling a some sort of magical two-way relationship, but they treat you as transactional as possible and do not give one crap about you if you don't pay up as prices keep increasing. Eventually something is going to give and people will stop purchasing such things.
 
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The enshitification of everything is a huge contributing factor. Events continue to squeeze consumers at every turn with fees, surcharges, price increases while the experience gets worse unless you pony up for a "premium" experience which in most cases is little more than what the standard experience used to be. The public is viewed as a wallet, not a person, and the peasant experience keeps getting downgraded while the "luxury and premium" experience takes precedence over everything. These vendors for events, sports, concerts, subscription services, etc. love to act like they are selling a some sort of magical two-way relationship, but they treat you as transactional as possible and do not give one crap about you if you don't pay up as prices keep increasing. Eventually something is going to give and people will stop purchasing such things.
I am done after this season…40 years…done
 

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The enshitification of everything is a huge contributing factor. Events continue to squeeze consumers at every turn with fees, surcharges, price increases while the experience gets worse unless you pony up for a "premium" experience which in most cases is little more than what the standard experience used to be. The public is viewed as a wallet, not a person, and the peasant experience keeps getting downgraded while the "luxury and premium" experience takes precedence over everything. These vendors for events, sports, concerts, subscription services, etc. love to act like they are selling a some sort of magical two-way relationship, but they treat you as transactional as possible and do not give one crap about you if you don't pay up as prices keep increasing. Eventually something is going to give and people will stop purchasing such things.
Well said.
 

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I am done after this season…40 years…done
Just know the 700 million dollar renovation is not about improving the experience for the average fan/family, it is about marketing to the big spenders and donors. "Joe fan & family" are being priced out by ticket prices for worthwhile games, parking, hotels, concssions, etc. I will watch PSU on TV, might attend a PSU away game at an affordable location, and continue to attend an SEC home game (last year TN, this year Ole Miss) for the second straight year spending much less $.
 

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Just know the 700 million dollar renovation is not about improving the experience for the average fan/family, it is about marketing to the big spenders and donors. "Joe fan & family" are being priced out by ticket prices for worthwhile games, parking, hotels, concssions, etc. I will watch PSU on TV, might attend a PSU away game at an affordable location, and continue to attend an SEC home game (last year TN, this year Ole Miss) for the second straight year spending much less $.
For us it is a few things… NIL has turned me off, the actual stadium experience has changed greatly for the worse, we don’t do night games anymore. Plus, the $$$. We always sold our tickets and parking pass for whatever we spent. Never wanted to make a profit. Now, we take a pretty big hit when we do sell a ticket. Example… 2 Nova tickets and the parking pass for$60
 

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ouch. Say you sell all but two games, what do those 2 games cost you after the blue hen cash net losses.
maybe $3k for 2 games?
 

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The enshitification of everything is a huge contributing factor. Events continue to squeeze consumers at every turn with fees, surcharges, price increases while the experience gets worse unless you pony up for a "premium" experience which in most cases is little more than what the standard experience used to be. The public is viewed as a wallet, not a person, and the peasant experience keeps getting downgraded while the "luxury and premium" experience takes precedence over everything. These vendors for events, sports, concerts, subscription services, etc. love to act like they are selling a some sort of magical two-way relationship, but they treat you as transactional as possible and do not give one crap about you if you don't pay up as prices keep increasing. Eventually something is going to give and people will stop purchasing such things.

I believe “enshitification” is a McKinsey term.
 

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Eventually the GenXers will get too old to go to games and then sales will really be hurting. Right now fans are still loyal to their schools but it’s waning. There just isn’t a new generation of fans - there is so much else to see and do and spend money on. Who wants to root for players for hire? At least the NFL has a draft. My interest in college and Penn State football has never been lower.
Not sure what my generation could possibly be called except ancient, but I agree 100%, no truer words were ever spoken.
 

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Everything i have read in this post....I agree with. Penn State loves to boast about 800,000 dues paying Alumni....yet so much has changed and not exactly the change I agree with! Luckily I am active with our Alumni Assoc. Here in Augusta.... we are active in the CSRA area of western SC and eastern GA. This past weekend we gave 9 scholarships to local students attending Penn State....not huge only $2000.00 dollars each....but it is something and it very positively affects PSU image. If I didn't have the PSUAA I am afraid I too would lose interest.
 

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Eventually the GenXers will get too old to go to games and then sales will really be hurting. Right now fans are still loyal to their schools but it’s waning. There just isn’t a new generation of fans - there is so much else to see and do and spend money on. Who wants to root for players for hire? At least the NFL has a draft. My interest in college and Penn State football has never been lower.
Gave up my tickets after last year. Have zero interest in College football since 2011.
Went to our games out of tradition and because my daughters were at dear ole’ PSU. They are all graduated now.

I will go to an odd game or so with family. But that’s it.

If Joe and Paterno family are ever properly honored, I will be there for that.
 

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The enshitification of everything is a huge contributing factor. Events continue to squeeze consumers at every turn with fees, surcharges, price increases while the experience gets worse unless you pony up for a "premium" experience which in most cases is little more than what the standard experience used to be. The public is viewed as a wallet, not a person, and the peasant experience keeps getting downgraded while the "luxury and premium" experience takes precedence over everything. These vendors for events, sports, concerts, subscription services, etc. love to act like they are selling a some sort of magical two-way relationship, but they treat you as transactional as possible and do not give one crap about you if you don't pay up as prices keep increasing. Eventually something is going to give and people will stop purchasing such things.
People don’t go there anymore, it’s too crowded.
 
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Painful to have to shell out good money for the garbage that is the OOC schedule this year.

I went to one game last year and am going to the opener this year. Taking my nieces and SIL who went to PSU for a bit but ultimately transferred. No idea how long it’s been since she’s seen a game in person. It’ll be a great time for the kids with everything going on and all the junk I’m sure they’ll eat, and I’ll have fun too, but that will be it for me until next year if the girls want to go again. Also, get my tix/parking passes for free so that helps….
 

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I've felt for a very, very long time that the experience in the old 55,000 seat Beaver Stadium was better than it's ever been since.

There is no way I'll ever put up with the hassle of going again.
No. The 2005 Whiteout vs Ohio State was absolutely amazing. But I'd not likely do that now, given my age. We didn't get out of the lots until 3:30-4 am.
 

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Painful to have to shell out good money for the garbage that is the OOC schedule this every year.
FIFY

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* Because it is systemically unfair the PSU has to play 9 conference games - typically including 2 or 3 games against ranked teams (along with the likes of Rutgers Northwestern Maryland and Purdue)
 

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FIFY

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* Because it is systemically unfair the PSU has to play 9 conference games - typically including 2 or 3 games against ranked teams (along with the likes of Rutgers Northwestern Maryland and Purdue)
Amazing that CJF b*tches about SEC teams playing 'only' 8 conference games and then PSU has this joke of an OOC lineup
 

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I checked Alabama’s just now. Florida State and Wisconsin.

This year OSU has Texas, Michigan has Oklahoma. The good news is, you can take a chance on scheduling a premiere opponent since OOC losses don’t hurt like they used to. The bad news is, as Bruce Feldman noted, with less emphasis on having to win, some schools may rest marquee players to be ready for the conference games.
 

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The enshitification of everything is a huge contributing factor. Events continue to squeeze consumers at every turn with fees, surcharges, price increases while the experience gets worse unless you pony up for a "premium" experience which in most cases is little more than what the standard experience used to be. The public is viewed as a wallet, not a person, and the peasant experience keeps getting downgraded while the "luxury and premium" experience takes precedence over everything. These vendors for events, sports, concerts, subscription services, etc. love to act like they are selling a some sort of magical two-way relationship, but they treat you as transactional as possible and do not give one crap about you if you don't pay up as prices keep increasing. Eventually something is going to give and people will stop purchasing such things.
Capitalism. You're literally describing capitalism.
 

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Some mulling over info wrt OOC schedules and overall schedules: Not a lot of OOC ranked-ranked matchups... which is to be expected as the SEC and Big Ten (and to a lesser extent the ACC) have grown larger and larger - just fewer opportunities to face remaining good teams OOC. That is likely to get worse over time.


For teams that finished in the Top 25:


How many total games did they have against ranked opponents
How many OOC Power 5 teams did they play
How many OOC Ranked teams did they play

Big Ten:
Oregon: 3 games against ranked teams, 1 OOC P5, 1 OOC ranked
Ohio State: 3, 0, and 0
PSU: 2, 1, and 0
Illinois: 2, 1, and 0
Indiana: 1, 0, and 0

Squadoosh for OOC, all the way around (though OSU typically has at least one big time OOC - and gets back to that this year). The only ranked OOC opponent wasn't even a Power 5 - it was Oregon-Boise State.

SEC: 8 game conference schedule, but more P5 OOC games and way more ranked opponents than Big Ten (or anyone else)
Georgia: 5 ranked opponents, 2 OOC P5, 1 ranked OOC Ouch!
South Carolina 4, 1, and 1
Alabama: 4, 1, and 0
Missouri: 2, 1, and 0
Mississippi: 2, 1, and 0
Tennessee: 2, 1, and 0
Texas: 1, 1, and 0

Texas must have used some oil money to buy the SEC schedule maker (and, of course, that "big showdown" with Michigan proved to be a big nothing).
In fairness, a few SEC teams that would normally be expected to be Top 25 - LSU, Texas A&M, Florida, etc - finished just outside of the Top 25. Largely because they beat one another up.


And then moving on to the ACC and B12, there is just no comparison. The SEC and Big Ten are just playing a different level than the other conferences.

ACC and B12:
8 game schedule, 9 game schedule -cupcakes are cupcakes

ACC (8 conference games)
Clemson: 2, 2, and 2
Syracuse: 2, 0, and 1
SMU: 1, 2, and 1
Miami: 1, 1, and 0

The only in conference Ranked-Ranked game was Syracuse-Miami. Thats it. Period.
The ACC schedule maker, by design or circumstance, did not have the better ACC teams playing one another.


BIG TWELVE (9 conference games)
Arizona State: 1, 1, and 0
BYU: 1, 1, and 0
Iowa State: 0, 1, and 0
Colorado: 0, 1, and 0
A total of two games against ranked teams among the 4 top B12 schools. Them getting an auto-bid bye was crazy.
Amazingly the 4 B12 teams played exactly one game of Ranked-Ranked all year - the game between ASU and BYU.
It was almost as if the B12 schedule maker intentionally keeping the better teams from playing one another (I don't REALLY think that was intentional, but sometimes it just happens, especially when you have so few quality teams in such a large conference).
 

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The enshitification of everything is a huge contributing factor. Events continue to squeeze consumers at every turn with fees, surcharges, price increases while the experience gets worse unless you pony up for a "premium" experience which in most cases is little more than what the standard experience used to be. The public is viewed as a wallet, not a person, and the peasant experience keeps getting downgraded while the "luxury and premium" experience takes precedence over everything. These vendors for events, sports, concerts, subscription services, etc. love to act like they are selling a some sort of magical two-way relationship, but they treat you as transactional as possible and do not give one crap about you if you don't pay up as prices keep increasing. Eventually something is going to give and people will stop purchasing such things.
I was gonna give you credit for coining a great new word, then I realized it's been around for a while. But is it one "t" or two?

Australia's oldest dictionary of Australian English has chosen “enshittification” – a slang term referring to the deterioration of products and services online – as the word of 2024
 

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I was gonna give you credit for coining a great new word, then I realized it's been around for a while. But is it one "t" or two?

Australia's oldest dictionary of Australian English has chosen “enshittification” – a slang term referring to the deterioration of products and services online – as the word of 2024
I like 2 T’s! Especially if they are Double D’s
 
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Amazing that CJF b*tches about SEC teams playing 'only' 8 conference games and then PSU has this joke of an OOC lineup
People forget that PSU was supposed to have VT at home on Sept 6 this year, but VT bailed. OOC series in the last few years of Auburn and WVU aren’t bad OOC games. The SEC does play a sh^t OOC conference schedule most years. They pass around The Citadel, Mercer, Chattanooga, Middle Tennessee and a few others like cheap hookers.
 

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Are there a lot of tough OCC schedules out there?
I was listening to the local sports radio here in Raleigh the other day. He was talking about this small number of schools that have no Power 4 OOC games on their schedule and that predictably most of them were in the Big Ten. He specifically called out Penn State. (I am biased, but I feel like this guy is anti-Penn State for some reason.) He glossed over the point that Penn State plays 9 conference games. He then complained about Clemson playing 2 top 10 teams, saying that it's crazy for them to do that. (He is a huge ACC homer.) So zero isn't enough, but 2 is too many. The way I see it, Big Ten schools can play 8 conference games (like everyone else) and the 9th conference game is the same as having a Power 4 OOC game.

I don't have any problem with our OOC schedule. I only get up there to 1 game a year, so I usually go to one of the weak OOC games. The tickets are cheaper and I don't want to drive all the way there to watch us lose a game. Most importantly, there isn't much of an advantage to playing a difficult OOC schedule. With the new expanded playoff, losing a non-conference game and a couple of conference games probably keeps us out of the playoff. Only losing a couple of non-conference games probably gets us in the playoff.
 

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People forget that PSU was supposed to have VT at home on Sept 6 this year, but VT bailed. OOC series in the last few years of Auburn and WVU aren’t bad OOC games. The SEC does play a sh^t OOC conference schedule most years. They pass around The Citadel, Mercer, Chattanooga, Middle Tennessee and a few others like cheap hookers.
Auburn home and home was great, let's have more like that!!!
 

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No issues with the OOC, we now play two or three teams a year that previously were OOC teams we wished we would play. Consider Oregon/Washington/USC/UCLA an OOC game if you need to but if we are playing OSU, dUMb, Wis, Iowa, etc for 6-7 games and then 2 or 3 of the PAC 12 schools it would have been the same as playing 8 conference games and then at least 1 really good OOC game.

People can say all they want about the SEC being tough but Miss ST, Kentucky, Auburn and Vandy are just like the bottom feeders of the Big so Bama can afford to go with a huge OOC game, especially since the media is on their junk so much.
 
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