How would you address/fix the scheduling issue?

[Anon1754760634]

Again it's been thrown around at times but it's the off season so.....

So how would you fix/repair the scheduling issue facing teams state-wide?

Certainly the "Let Them All In" has hit certain snags......have any other/better ideas?

Post them here...andf for hard as it is for some of you TRY to stay on topic?

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Districts.

 

[mc140]

Throw all 4-5 and 5-4 teams in together. Take the ones with the highest playoff points.

 

[ClownBaby]

Move the schedule up one week and an extra round to the playoffs this should get all the 4-5 and a lot of 3-6 teams in the playoffs, This should help take schedule out of the equation when qualifying for the playoffs.

 

[woody6]

Two sacreds: No extension of the season on either end and no bye rounds. Eight game regular season with 64 teams per class in playoffs which requires 6 wins to become a state champ. If you go 7 classes, 192 more teams would be added. If 6 classes, 128 additional. Staying with 8 classes, 256 more teams included for a total of 512 (533 schools were playoff-"eligible" just this past fall).

 

[anon_4vszfu35bv677]

Leave it alone.

 

[Cross Bones]

Leave it alone.

This.

 

[lkhammer57]

I think something that isn't too hard to change is to follow what the NCAA D3 has done. From now on, I believe, any games against NAIA teams are disregarded when it comes to qualifying for the playoffs. The IHSA could put in legislation saying that any out of state school competition will not be counted towards the playoffs, so the win won't count and neither will any of the playoff points. I think it could be a good idea, but I think I would rather have the rule be a school should only be allowed to play one out of state team every 2 years or 4 years, because I would love to see teams like East St. Louis continue to play tough national opponents. This will result in schools having to schedule each other because there's no way out to find an easier opponent out of state. Thoughts?

 

[mchsalumni]

I think something that isn't too hard to change is to follow what the NCAA D3 has done. From now on, I believe, any games against NAIA teams are disregarded when it comes to qualifying for the playoffs. The IHSA could put in legislation saying that any out of state school competition will not be counted towards the playoffs, so the win won't count and neither will any of the playoff points. I think it could be a good idea, but I think I would rather have the rule be a school should only be allowed to play one out of state team every 2 years or 4 years, because I would love to see teams like East St. Louis continue to play tough national opponents. This will result in schools having to schedule each other because there's no way out to find an easier opponent out of state. Thoughts?

Thoughts? No.

 

[lkhammer57]

Thoughts? No.

So does that mean you suggest just leaving it as is? I would rather have it the way it currently is than let everyone in.

 

[BBCHS77]

Double the amount of teams in. start the same week, have semi finals Thanksgiving weekend at neutral sites.. Finals the following weekend in Champaign.. 1A amd 2A at 4:00 and 7:00 on Thursday.. 3A, 4A and 5A on Friday at 12:00, 3:30 and 7:00... 6A, 7A and 8A same times on Sat

 

[crusader_of_90]

With how much IHSA loves its March Madness, cutting into the hoops season - especially as teams increasingly want to play national hoops tourneys - is not going to happen.

 

[BBCHS77]

This is what Texas does for their state finals

Wednesday, December 20
11 a.m.: Class 1A Division I
2 p.m.: Class 1A Division II
7 p.m.: Class 2A Division I

Thursday, December 2111 a.m.: Class 2A Division II
3 p.m.:Class 3A Division I
7 p.m.:Class 3A Division II

Friday, December 2211 a.m.: Class 4A Division I
3 p.m.: Class 4A Division II
7 p.m.: Class 5A Division I

Saturday, December 2311 a.m.: Class 5A Division II
3 p.m.: Class 6A Division I
7 p.m.: Class 6A Division II

 

[TopShelf101]

10 regular season games, 3 non-conference/7 conference games, 4 regions in each division/8 teams make it from each region giving you 32 for each division in the playoffs, state finals would be a week later. More interesting non-conf. games, plus you can't cupcake your 3 non-conference or they won't get you points. Look at how Ohio does it..

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

I think something that isn't too hard to change is to follow what the NCAA D3 has done. From now on, I believe, any games against NAIA teams are disregarded when it comes to qualifying for the playoffs. The IHSA could put in legislation saying that any out of state school competition will not be counted towards the playoffs, so the win won't count and neither will any of the playoff points. I think it could be a good idea, but I think I would rather have the rule be a school should only be allowed to play one out of state team every 2 years or 4 years, because I would love to see teams like East St. Louis continue to play tough national opponents. This will result in schools having to schedule each other because there's no way out to find an easier opponent out of state. Thoughts?

Most of the out of state games that are scheduled are not cupcakes. If anything - most times it hurts your chances to make the playoffs as there is a significant chance you will take an “L”.

How about any CPS non football playoff eligible teams don’t count for your playoff points for beatIng them in regular season non conference games? These games are a high likelyhood of a W and would force more teams to stop scheduling them if they didn’t get the credit of a win for playoff calcs.

 

[lkhammer57]

Most of the out of state games that are scheduled are not cupcakes. If anything - most times it hurts your chances to make the playoffs as there is a significant chance you will take an “L”.

How about any CPS non football playoff eligible teams don’t count for your playoff points for beatIng them in regular season non conference games? These games are a high likelyhood of a W and would force more teams to stop scheduling them if they didn’t get the credit of a win for playoff calcs.

I think that there are some good out of state match-ups, but there are teams such as Notre Dame and MCC just off the top of my head that didn't play tough out of state teams. I think you do make a great point though. I agree that there is something that is needed to be done with those CPS teams. It is such a tough thing to fix, and I am not really sure how you fix it because I am sure the CPS schools such as Philips and Simeon would not like that change. Maybe it is best not to change anything, unless the state decided to take it under their wing and set up non conference match-ups, but that will not happen because that is a lot of work for them to take care of those schedules.

 

[Wassup13_rivals219252]

Go to a midwest multi State playoff system.

 

[PanthersWildcats86]

Throw all 4-5 and 5-4 teams in together. Take the ones with the highest playoff points.

I always analyze concepts against the reality of a 10 team, round robin conference. Under this theory, the 4-5 team in the conference has one more playoff point (41) than the 5-4 (40)...therefore the 4-5 team gets in before the 5-4, who presumably beat the 4-5? I don't think this works at all...Any system that causes a 5-4 in a round robin conference to miss the playoffs does not work...

 

[PanthersWildcats86]

Keep the 9 game regular season, and 32 team classes for playoffs. However, I look at one statistic as being important - class spread? What do I mean?

2017 Class cutoffs:
1A 313
2A 392.7
3A 548
4A 910
5A 1391
6A 1888
7A 2302
8A who cares...well over 4000

Generally, it seems that the greatest difference in talent levels is in 4A. A look at the quarters tells you that the bigger schools dominated, as the talent of a 750 student school is usually much better than a 550 student school.

A look at the number of 5-4 schools who missed the playoffs? 2017, 17 missed. 2016, 10. The number swings from high single digits to 20.

My suggestion? 9 classes of 32. Why? All 5-4 make the playoffs, along with high pointed 4-5 teams. Second, it should reduce the school size spreads in 4A & 5A, where the difference makes the most difference.

 

[godfthr53]

Keep the 9 game regular season, and 32 team classes for playoffs. However, I look at one statistic as being important - class spread? What do I mean?

2017 Class cutoffs:
1A 313
2A 392.7
3A 548
4A 910
5A 1391
6A 1888
7A 2302
8A who cares...well over 4000

Generally, it seems that the greatest difference in talent levels is in 4A. A look at the quarters tells you that the bigger schools dominated, as the talent of a 750 student school is usually much better than a 550 student school.

A look at the number of 5-4 schools who missed the playoffs? 2017, 17 missed. 2016, 10. The number swings from high single digits to 20.

My suggestion? 9 classes of 32. Why? All 5-4 make the playoffs, along with high pointed 4-5 teams. Second, it should reduce the school size spreads in 4A & 5A, where the difference makes the most difference.

Just what everyone wants. More Champions .

 

[cornerrat]

Just what everyone wants. More Champions .

All.... And as it applies to a small group of privates a change like that could open up new opportunities for trophies. I can hear the teeth gnashing and wailing already. Ratsy

 

[mchsalumni]

So does that mean you suggest just leaving it as is? I would rather have it the way it currently is than let everyone in.

The point of your entire post is to limit out of state games. Doesn't matter about letting everyone in or not, but on the point of punishing schools for going out and playing tough games OOS, the answer is no.

 

[lkhammer57]

@mchsalumni The point of my post is how you could force good teams play each other this way, because they can't find another option out of state, and people are suggesting that if we let everyone in that teams will be more willing to play goo non conference games. That is the point of my post for another way to force better non conference match-ups going off of another organizations idea. And you are right I shouldn't have assumed that you would be for all teams in. The statement stays true about what assuming gets me. haha

 

[BBCHS77]

Keep the 9 game regular season, and 32 team classes for playoffs. However, I look at one statistic as being important - class spread? What do I mean?

2017 Class cutoffs:
1A 313
2A 392.7
3A 548
4A 910
5A 1391
6A 1888
7A 2302
8A who cares...well over 4000

Generally, it seems that the greatest difference in talent levels is in 4A. A look at the quarters tells you that the bigger schools dominated, as the talent of a 750 student school is usually much better than a 550 student school.

A look at the number of 5-4 schools who missed the playoffs? 2017, 17 missed. 2016, 10. The number swings from high single digits to 20.

My suggestion? 9 classes of 32. Why? All 5-4 make the playoffs, along with high pointed 4-5 teams. Second, it should reduce the school size spreads in 4A & 5A, where the difference makes the most difference.

The spread in 4A this year was huge, as a school of 540 kids felt like we were playing goliaths... then I see the spread is 2A is 313-393??? Not sure there is an answer there, but don't think adding a 9th class is the answer..

 

[godfthr53]

The spread in 4A this year was huge, as a school of 540 kids felt like we were playing goliaths... then I see the spread is 2A is 313-393??? Not sure there is an answer there, but don't think adding a 9th class is the answer..

maybe taking one away....

 

[denmig]

Keep the 9 game regular season, and 32 team classes for playoffs. However, I look at one statistic as being important - class spread? What do I mean?

2017 Class cutoffs:
1A 313
2A 392.7
3A 548
4A 910
5A 1391
6A 1888
7A 2302
8A who cares...well over 4000

Generally, it seems that the greatest difference in talent levels is in 4A. A look at the quarters tells you that the bigger schools dominated, as the talent of a 750 student school is usually much better than a 550 student school.

A Second, it should reduce the school size spreads in 4A & 5A, where the difference makes the most difference.

Totally agree. For example, Unity has always been a 3A school and this year could have competed to the semi finals and the finals in 3A. Just above the 4A limit, had no chance from the beginning. Lost a hard fought 2nd round game but would not have given Rochester a game. Then look at Tuscola, they would have been ok in 1A or 2A. I second the notion that 4A is the most difficult for the lower end of the population.

 

[godfthr53]

Totally agree. For example, Unity has always been a 3A school and this year could have competed to the semi finals and the finals in 3A. Just above the 4A limit, had no chance from the beginning. Lost a hard fought 2nd round game but would not have given Rochester a game. Then look at Tuscola, they would have been ok in 1A or 2A. I second the notion that 4A is the most difficult for the lower end of the population.

They would have given IC a game?

 

[denmig]

I think so. IC had close games along the way, especially with Byron. I'll go transitive property on you, but Byron beat Monticello 21-20 and Monticello fumbled on the Byron 3 late in the game. Unity beat Monticello 30-13. Not saying they would have beat IC, but they would have been in the game.

 

[BBCHS77]

I think so. IC had close games along the way, especially with Byron. I'll go transitive property on you, but Byron beat Monticello 21-20 and Monticello fumbled on the Byron 3 late in the game. Unity beat Monticello 30-13. Not saying they would have beat IC, but they would have been in the game.

IC/Byron game was played in the mud, hard to compare the scores

Unity has feasted on the weak 3A south bracket for years, no sympathy there lol

 

[denmig]

IC/Byron game was played in the mud, hard to compare the scores

Unity has feasted on the weak 3A south bracket for years, no sympathy there lol

BBC you have been anti-Unity in every post I've ever seen on this board and the illinoishighschoolsports board over the past three years. It's whatever. I believe this Unity team could have played with anyone in 3A. We can agree to disagree.

 

[BBCHS77]

BBC you have been anti-Unity in every post I've ever seen on this board and the illinoishighschoolsports board over the past three years. It's whatever. I believe this Unity team could have played with anyone in 3A. We can agree to disagree.

Both statements were factual, but I am not going to win an argument with a parent of the QB.. From what I saw, both Peotone and Wilmo would have been way too physical up front for Unity..

 

[denmig]

Both statements were factual, but I am not going to win an argument with a parent of the QB.. From what I saw, both Peotone and Wilmo would have been way too physical up front for Unity..

Possible on the last sentence, but we'll never know. All I"m saying is that Unity would have competed with all those teams and had a chance. I do believe that. Now vs. Rochester or Highland in 4A they would have had no chance. That was my original point. Jumping to 4A is huge. Same for Herscher, as they are under 600 students I believe. They couldn't compete with the Rochesters and Highlands either, but would have been a threat in 3A. I was simply agreeing with the post that 4A is where the discrepancy begins.

 

[BBCHS77]

There are just so few schools in the state with between 700-900 kids, so 4A can go from 550-750 to 550-900 so easy