It was a good discussion. My only issue (from an OSU homer) was they acted like it was Blaze/Duke and the Dee. Like there was separation. To me you could put those three names in a hat, draw them out and I would be good with that ranking.
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Duke and Dee, I would agree.
Blaze, I think he edges them a tad?
Either way, we sure are having alot of fun!
Money may not be the top decision but its right there at the top. Especially w/ Bo. You also have to consider that they would have to get enough for his family to relocate because if he comes to Stilly they absolutely will! With Jax its probably not as big an issue but money appeals to everyone, lets not be naive. If a school offers $100k more a year than another school thats big money over 4 years. With the right investments they can definitely be sitting well for life.
Hearing DT may have hit them a little low. Lets hope being tight w/ the checkbook doesn't come back to bite us later. People say Cael is tight, IDK that I believe that honestly. And if ANYONE, including psu fans on here don't think Cael ain't willing to spend lot more now that DT is in Stilly, you're kidding yourself.
Are you hearing anything on creativity for "money?"
There have been things thrown around such as investments, participation in marketing/advertising, clinic/club building and promotion.
DT is smart, these parents are smart. If Bo/Jax/etc. are my kids, give me an investment package with some advertising pay and the ability to profit off of building a club over lump sum money. Of course, if the lump sum is big enough, I'll do those things on my own and include the Program.
It just seems short-sighted to me to not take in every angle of possibility in regards to money and promotion while keeping a culture alive.
That would all need to be done by others. DT can't be involved with NIL for high school athletes.
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Glad you've been hitting the message boards lately, you always have good insight on things. You ever plan on doing more shows with Willie? I know you guys had your issues, but I always enjoyed when you guys got together.
I understand that, but CWC is run by an investment advisor that was a Wrestler and there are others involved with the Program that have expertise in many areas.
Just thinking outside the box a little and discussing ways in which guys can make better health decisions regarding finances and earn more money instead of having a check written.
Feel free to jump in and contribute, I know I value the discussion with you on it and you'll know more than I do.
Not my money, not my decisions, but I appreciate very much if the OSU/PSU financial incentives are more about performance once they’ve been on campus. I know these guys are about as “can’t miss” as can be, but when there’s probably finite financial resources I don’t see wisdom in just throwing money at guys who haven’t stepped on campus yet.
Part of why I think other options should be employed?
Ex. Bo, Jax and Dee put on 3, 10 day intense camps that caps at 100 kids each. They get the promotion from the school, their own social media (which will be grown with this too) and companies advertising the camps. You then have a substantial amount of money at play.
I'd say they'd easily sell that out at 1k per kid and the advertising and merch portion would be a large number as well. Those three young men just made well over 100k in 30 days and the Program keeps a little in a fund that grows to expand opportunities that those 3 young men will have a hand in as long as they are able.
It just makes more sense to me?
These numbers people are putting out are CRAZY and almost certainly inaccurate. Moss really good guys are getting room and board and a little extra. Only a couple guys are getting the $ that is out there (hundreds of thousands) and those are proven winners, not incoming Freshmen. Bo and Jax are on another level from other freshmen, of course, but they arent getting millions over 4-5 years. If they get a million total for 5, it will be on the high end AND with the rules coming, I don't know how anyone can promise anything at this point.
If you have a proven ability to coach kids to national and international championships, you have the ability to offer less than another coach for the same kid who aspires to those goals. NIL included. To be honest, I don't believe Cael has given out a full scholarship in many years. DT sprouted from that same tree. We all need to trust that our coaches are accurately gauging their value added to the equation. Last year, Cael didn't use all his 9.9 scholarships and his team scored 172 points. If you aren't a starter, you essentially get book money and maybe a little more.
I like how you're thinking. It was my initial thought when NIL was being discussed was I hope they get with a financial advisor and invest the money. I think real estate is a smart way to approach NIL. The athlete lives in the property and gets 20% of the property in year 1 and and every year 20% gets added and after 5 years they own the property.
They are all three ‘S’ tier athletes. The argument could be given that some our ‘A’tier athletes are creeping toward that top level. There is something to be said about athletes who aren’t a finished product by the time they get to college. I would have put Vito as an ‘A’ level athlete coming into college. That’s where I see a few of our recruits.
Yes, stuff like this is smart!
I am just afraid homeownership isn't really high on the WOW chart for young people? Keep it coming!
I agree but hopefully the parents are smart enough to understand the value in it. Renting a property in a college town isn't difficult. That would be a great investment
Sorry I don’t mean to say that they should have performance bonuses or anything. I just mean if I slipped and fell at Walmart tomorrow and won $1 billion, I’d prefer to give NIL to guys who are on campus and leading in the room rather than someone who hasn’t stepped foot on campus yet.
Although that sort of business acumen might be why I need to hope for a slip and fall settlement to become a millionaire.
I like the outside of the box thinking. We can’t have enough of that. I love the idea, but I’m an old, middle aged man.
You'd be disappointed to learn that many parents are just as excited about the immediate "bag" as young person.
But to your point, I would love to own a few houses in every college town in America...and not be an Iowa fan.
Some parents are definitely looking to cash in themselves no doubt about that.
We have 5 committed wrestlers at Iron Man which I believe is more than any other College. They are Sergio at 138, Routledge at 157, Guerrero also at 157, Ladarion at 165 and Teague at 175. It seems like Routledge has not stood out for near a year but has a chance to shine this weekend. Kody is number 5 at 157 with 6,7,8 and 10 at 157 are also there. These rated wrestlers are committed to a College, so there could be other 157's there that are not signed or committed at this time.
Isn't that like saying you can't hire an employee based on looks or some other non-performance quality. It may be the rule/law but it happens all the time. I haven't got a clue but I thought you could give NIL to someone just because you like the color tie-shirt they wear.
You are right that it happens as you say. Not in my company though. I pay people based on one factor only. Experience. It eliminates race and sex, and I pay everyone the same based on experience. I do tend to stay away from under 30 candidates but there are exceptions. Under 30 is less about age than drama factor. I don't have time for drama.
As for NIL, as long as it isn't performance related, it is my understanding that you can provide NIL for just about any reason.
I'm not sure what you mean by "performance related"; is it their performance in the past (4x state champion - $100K), their performance in the future (1st at the NCAA - $100K ala Baseball bonuses) or something else? Also, is this something you believe in or is this some rule?
I tried to tie in a bonus based upon GPA and the compliance department kicked it out as that was a performance bonus. I am sure that previous performance is OK, but future performance cannot be rewarded. Every athlete want to be a national champion. They may not want to be a great student though.
Sorry just seeing this.
As OSUMatFan stated, you can’t pay NIL based on any future performance requirements. So in your example, you can’t say that I’ll give you $100,000 for 3rd, and $300,000 for 1st.
Ignacio Villasenor 113 just won his 1st match by tech fall. An obvious mismatch with lots of takedowns, back points and a reversal. The match was done in a little more than 3 minutes. Jax won by tech in a little over 2 minutes with lots of takedowns and back points. Jax even throws the kitchen sink at his opponent. He has absolutely no fear of putting himself in bad positions to score. Sergio won by pin in the 1st period with a cradle. He scored a takedown and then wrist turn for a 7 to 0 lead before the cradle.
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Guerrero won by tech and Routledge won by pin over a Blair wrestler. Routledge wore his opponent down by the 2nd period and then dominated. Dee was dominant with takedowns and then pinned his opponent in the 2nd period.
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Wrestling against Kody looks like an absolutely miserable experience... You love to see it.
Villasenor wins by tech with a number of wrist turns, he dominates against early round opponents but it seems like in matches in the semi's lately he loses a close match. I would like to see this change. Vega wins by pin and Bassett wins by quick tech with 7 takedowns. Once he breaks you it is unbelievably easy for him. Routledge wrestles good and wins by pin. Guerrero wins by major. His opponent got on his legs fairly easy but couldn't score. Jax won by tech in the 2nd period. Lockett wins by pin in the 1st period, the pin came off his 3rd takedown.
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Ignacio wins in the quarters with an easy major at 113. He got 4 takedowns with a real nice fireman's and he has a real nice outside single. Jax wins by tech in 3 minutes lots of slide by's. Just dominant especially on his feet.
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I was hoping Stratton would give Villasenor a better match. He is a Delaware kid, 3x state champ here. Great kid. Glad to see he made it to the quarters and got to see some top notch wrestlers in this tourney.
Hoping to see a rematch in the finals of Villasenor and Bachman, with a different result this time!
Hoping to see a rematch in the finals of Villasenor and Bachman, with a different result this time!
Vega won by tech over Edmund North wrestler with a combination of takedowns and back points. At the end Vega could just blow thru his opponent on shots. He is stronger than he looks. It reminds me of a tournament with hundreds of wrestlers, I believe maybe in Omaha where the reporters story wrote I could give you 2 hundred picks before the tournament who is the best wrestler at this tournament( if you don't know the wrestlers) and nobody would pick the best. Of course the best wrestler was John Smith.