NIL is a small piece of it now. The sports commission did a study of all old NIL deals and found that wrestling was getting the 3rd most amount of NIL payments with Football being #1 and Basketball #2 with Wrestling #3 in all college athletics. It's been said by people on the commission and NCAA lawyers that no wrestler will be given a 6 figured valuation. So 100k max. Now let's say a team has 3 million in rev share and they use that. That's 4 million a year on the roster. Nobody was spending 4 million a year on the roster during the peak NIL era
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It's a message board and we talk wrestling and debate and play devils advocate it's not that serious. I also have no issue putting my name on what I say. I'm never mad while posting most times I'm actually laughing
Haha, maybe it’s your delivery?
I’m sorry, but you are only correct that he’s on the Forbes list.
-He wasn’t single-handily responsible for David Taylor being named HC. There are many, many other things that had to be present for David to come.
-nobody, that I’ve noticed, is acting like he’s not doing much. He is, I (me) said I don’t think what Richison does touches what Bob does…it could be closer than I think?
-nobody, that I noticed, said he’s not helping with the RTC. It’s been said that he’s not helping with NIL.
So, it just seems, through your delivery that you are antagonistic.
But again, no one is acting like Chad is not involved. All anyone has said is that he isn't involved in NIL.
Our Forbes list guy died in 2019 and he wasn't too concerned with wrestling anyway
Who do you think is committing $3M of revenue sharing to wrestling?
And there will be several $100k plus wrestling NIL deals. You are placing to much importance on the supposed “value” metric in all of this.
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I will say that NC State has Calcutt from the ‘26 class and VT has Rocha. Curious if we see him as a long term 197 or HWT.
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I like my sources one who is on the sports commission who does the NIL GO and the coaches I have spoke with who's athletes have gone thru the process. Just passing along the information I have you can believe it or not
He's a HWT and if Ross decides on football I would say you get him.
There is no wrestling program that is getting 3 mil revenue share. Even if you have the full 20.5, Football most places is going to get 15 mil, mens basketball 3 million then the rest fight over the scraps. These days paying a full scholly/room/board and some meal cards is what most really good kids are getting. Very few will be near the 100K range, especially after tuition/fees.
I’ve sat in on legislative studies on this and have looked over dozens and dozens of these NIL deals in those studies. Have had presentations from several AD’s, a member of the sports commission, agents and a conference commissioner.
There will be plenty of significant NIL deals with athletes from non-revenue sports including wrestling.
I will also tell you as of now, I would be shocked if any AD is committing $3M of revenue sharing to wrestling. That might change as schools no longer use the max limit for scholarship funding but that isn’t the case currently.
They did a great job at recruiting but what can they do with the recruits. They still have the Brands there. Taylor showed that he can get talent to jump levels, Brands to well but it’s not they’re forte. We’ll see.
Iowa has too much support and too much money to fail completely
100%. The reason we have Ryder is because PSU Recruited over him. We’ve had some stellar classes, we could have used Miller, but there will be other Millers.In all seriousness where else other than maybe Nebraska were those guys gonna land? We didnt even try to get them and neither did Cael from what I hear. I know a couple of them were upset that we WEREN'T recruiting them. HS studs WANT to wrestle for DT!
Think about this: in the last 5-7 years how many times has OSU cleaned up in recruiting because PSU didnt need anyone? Thats just reality and this time it was Iowa's turn. And Iowa hate aside, we all know NCAA wrestling is stronger when Iowa is in the mix.
Also, some of these guys are 27's and 28's so we have time to assess and see how our recruits are turning out. If necessary Coach Taylor can and absolutely will flip some guys if he needs to.
Apologies in advance to any Iowa guys on here. Eh, not really
Fartz out
Count me as being in the camp of people who do not think NIL will get reigned in. Even if the NCAA wanted to police it, which it doesn't, it is too hard to police without running into afoul of antitrust laws. I could be wrong, but that's my prediction.
In the event I'm wrong, I am curious what the anticipated revenue share for wrestling would be at each of the three big programs? My gut says that each will probably get about the same cut, but I have no idea. It might be a good window for programs like UNI, Lehigh, or Little Rock that don't have expensive football programs to fund.
I think this is correct, and I also think that as far as rev share is concerned, out of lets say the Big 5 - PSU, Iowa, OSU, OhSU, Nebraska, tell me which programs are not going to be spending 15 mil+ on football and then which arent going to be putting most of the rest on mens basketball? Maybe PSU has more football NIL $$$ to keep football rev share down a touch but not nowhere near where they are going to be paying 15% to wrestling. Numbers I have heard are more around the 200K range.
The rev share is reported and documented. It has to be for NCAA.
We are in the lower, upper tier of our rev share regarding our main competition.
This was before Gundy was fired and AD donations were sitting aside.
After he was fired, we got some more money, but only because the donor money was freed up some.
There are lots of moving pieces here and no school outside of the big (sec, but they don’t Wrestle) get the TV money to help the rev share for non-rev sports. So, the pissing match Corby and I go through once a month has much to do with new or ever changing rules and schools that aren’t on equal footing.
Realignment, big TV for Football and competitive people with money have made a mess. It will be awhile before it’s sorted out, if ever.
So, IMO, give what you can to the collective, show up and cheer, have fun!
We are in the lower, upper tier of our rev share regarding our main competition.
This was before Gundy was fired and AD donations were sitting aside.
After he was fired, we got some more money, but only because the donor money was freed up some.
There are lots of moving pieces here and no school outside of the big (sec, but they don’t Wrestle) get the TV money to help the rev share for non-rev sports. So, the pissing match Corby and I go through once a month has much to do with new or ever changing rules and schools that aren’t on equal footing.
Realignment, big TV for Football and competitive people with money have made a mess. It will be awhile before it’s sorted out, if ever.
So, IMO, give what you can to the collective, show up and cheer, have fun!
You guys think Iowa wrestling isn't getting a good chunk of rev share $? They sell out every year. Some programs weren't ready for the rule changes and some were . Some dont pay HS NIL because they knew what was coming and some programs do pay HS NIL. Universities were raising the 20.5 and not everyone had enough and ADs want to be able to say we got it all. Happened at Iowa St they are borrowing from reserves. So Dresser raised the 1 million from the collective and donated it to the rev share fund and they gave it back to him for rev share.
Not saying people here don't understand what's going on but I have been dug in on this since it started and NIL valuations for wrestling won't be what people think at all. If anyone knows athletes, coaches or agents ask around and get some #s . Rev share is the new NIL
Not saying people here don't understand what's going on but I have been dug in on this since it started and NIL valuations for wrestling won't be what people think at all. If anyone knows athletes, coaches or agents ask around and get some #s . Rev share is the new NIL
Ok let's hear some #s from some recent NIL GO athletes in wrestling. Just name the school and the amount. Wrestlers arent getting 6 figures from the clearinghouse.
NIL clearinghouse house cleared about 12,000 deals worth a total of 87.5 million over all sports and the average deal is around $7,200
College Sports Commission announces NIL Go has cleared $87.5 million in deals - Yahoo Sports https://share.google/A7wkU7kj8A5xH17uk
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A Decade of Recruiting - FloWrestling
Examining ten years of Willie's recruiting class rankings and how it's effected the national team race.
2009-18 10 years of data take a look and your perception is wrong. Brands were coaching
No. I don't think Iowa wrestling is getting a "good chunk" of rev share, at least as I define it. The revenue that is being split comes almost entirely from TV, not ticket sales. That means that football and (maybe) mens basketball are the only programs operating in the green.
Like every other P5 program, Iowa football will get 75-80% of the pie, 10-15% for men's basketball, and the rest to be split up among all the other programs with enough going to the women to keep from getting sued. Probably leaves Iowa wrestling getting between 2% and 5%.
In the end, I suspect it will largely be the same as what we see now, with a few more legal maneuvers and shell games. The money from rich wrestling fans will find its way to good wrestlers who go to the right school.
A Decade of Recruiting - FloWrestling
Examining ten years of Willie's recruiting class rankings and how it's effected the national team race.www.flowrestling.org
2009-18 10 years of data take a look and your perception is wrong. Brands were coaching
You don't have to convince us. We all hope you keep Brands forever. Long live the king!
The only reason there was a dip in expected NIL spending this first round through the clearinghouse was due to front loaded deals most collectives and major NIL players put in contract prior to this rule change. This included wrestlers at most every major program.
You will see those large deals and large players come back into the fold very soon.
NIL and big NIL is not going anywhere. There was and is a strategic pause to some degree. I would suggest you talk to any P4 AD, head coach of a major sport or anyone involved in the commission.
When you are involved with a deal over 100k for a wrestler let me know.
What's your take on HS kids having to disclose HS NIL $ within 2 weeks of enrolling in college?
Not to be that guy but can there be a separate thread for all this money talk since it applies to way more than just HS recruiting.
There are several current NIL deals and packages in excess of $100k for current college wrestlers.
We were shown estimates of six and seven figure NIL deals across all sports that were put in place prior to the clearinghouse and it was shocking.
It was also widely discussed the workarounds that will be used for these deals to get through the clearinghouse once many of these front loaded deals start to expire. This was information from current P4 athletic directors, the agents involved and a conference commissioner.
The current setup is also not sustainable IMO and will be changed or even scrapped at some point in the near future.
If you know of 100k wrestler NIL deals that have been cleared name the amount and the schools? I'm aware of deals that were done prior to the clearinghouse I'm talking about deals that have passed the clearinghouse.
How much rev share is Oklahoma st wrestling getting?
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Football and Basketball (especially through the TV deals) bring in multitudes of revenue more than a full Carver 7 dates a year. The only time I see rev share getting more than the dregs is perhaps at a school that is having a tough time raising the full 20.5 million and they have a wrestling specific booster that will only donate to wrestling. Honestly scholarship endowments and program endowments to help with costs of running the program might be the biggest help to small sports these days. The less they spend out of gen revenue the more they have to give to the 20.5 mil rev share.
Actually, to my knowledge he was involved in bringing David Taylor in, but I do not think he has participated in the NIL or the building of the new wrestling venue. We have lots of $10 k to a few million dollar donors. An insider told me as far as NIL, Iowa is way out front on dollars spent and PSU and OkSU are about equal.
Endowments are huge for the smaller programs. But the blue blood programs have operated successfully with 9.9 for years. Some will tell the AD we don't want more scholarships we will take more rev share $. Rev share $ is so important now. If you know you're getting 2 million rev share and it will increase to 3 next year that allows you to go use that money to recruit. When others are saying well we have these NIL deals for you but they gotta be they must pass the clearinghouse . Some people play checkers while others play chess. How do you think Dresser landed Merrill when they already have Herrera
I haven’t seen the revenue share breakouts by school and not what OSU is doing specifically.
What I can tell you in general terms from the athletic directors and conference commissioner that presented information and answered questions is nearly every D1 athletic department is using the maximum limit possible within revenue sharing to pay for the additional scholarships ($2.5M) for the first few years of this and that every P4 department from there is allocating 70-80% of the remainder to CFB.
I would assume B10 schools will be at or near that 80% number. Basketball is going to be around 10%, so that leaves 10% (around $1.8M) to split among 3-5 other non-revenue sports.
The above is going to be in line for most everybody.