Hucksters, Carnies, and the Nittany Lion Club

G3624

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Feb 18, 2014
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My wife and I use to go a lot. At first, we use to go when Joe and Fran were there. We were attending as guests in those years. Went about two or three times a year. Didn't go during the Sandusky years. Went a couple of times when O'Brien coached. Then became members about four years into Franklin's regime. Attended quite regularly with another couple. I sat up front, usually right next to Fran Fisher. We enjoyed our times there and the acquaintances we made. Gave me a chance to renew my friendship with Fran. We first met at Rec Hall, when Bruce. Parkhill coached the team. My wife and I sat in section S2 Bruce's wife sat just in front of us. Joe and Fran, and sometimes Sue, sat In S4. At the time in the hallways, ashtrays hung on the walls and during time outs and halftimes one could smoke in the hallways. That's where I met Fran. We had many a discussion there through the years. I found we were born on the same day 9/23. I in 55, and if I remember right, he in 30, same year as my Mom. Her having been born on the 24 th. Do we would regularly convene our discussions in the rec hall hallways while smoking a butt. But, I digress.

When James showed up, I had been doing W-L percentages. Comparing the first four years of Joe, Rip, and James. James was killing it and I told I'm so at one of the events at QB club. He was surprised and came over wanting to hug me. I backed away saying I wanted nothing to do with it. I was just doing the maths. Steve Jones was there as my witness. Since then, whenever he saw me he would say I'll never forget that. And he never did. If I saw him around town he always said hi or waved. Peeps I was with would ask, "Do you know him?" I would say "sort of."

But over time I began to realize, he was just a communicator. He knew how to make you hear what he wanted you to hear. He was comfortable on the midway of the fairground selling you the best cutco knives. Or the newest fanciest set of pots and pans you didn't need. But, by the time, he was done talking to you wanted them, payed full price, and carried them home with you, sure they were better than sliced bread. And that's the best way I can describe Coach James Franklin to you.
 

Tgar

Heisman
Nov 14, 2001
5,962
13,582
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My wife and I use to go a lot. At first, we use to go when Joe and Fran were there. We were attending as guests in those years. Went about two or three times a year. Didn't go during the Sandusky years. Went a couple of times when O'Brien coached. Then became members about four years into Franklin's regime. Attended quite regularly with another couple. I sat up front, usually right next to Fran Fisher. We enjoyed our times there and the acquaintances we made. Gave me a chance to renew my friendship with Fran. We first met at Rec Hall, when Bruce. Parkhill coached the team. My wife and I sat in section S2 Bruce's wife sat just in front of us. Joe and Fran, and sometimes Sue, sat In S4. At the time in the hallways, ashtrays hung on the walls and during time outs and halftimes one could smoke in the hallways. That's where I met Fran. We had many a discussion there through the years. I found we were born on the same day 9/23. I in 55, and if I remember right, he in 30, same year as my Mom. Her having been born on the 24 th. Do we would regularly convene our discussions in the rec hall hallways while smoking a butt. But, I digress.

When James showed up, I had been doing W-L percentages. Comparing the first four years of Joe, Rip, and James. James was killing it and I told I'm so at one of the events at QB club. He was surprised and came over wanting to hug me. I backed away saying I wanted nothing to do with it. I was just doing the maths. Steve Jones was there as my witness. Since then, whenever he saw me he would say I'll never forget that. And he never did. If I saw him around town he always said hi or waved. Peeps I was with would ask, "Do you know him?" I would say "sort of."

But over time I began to realize, he was just a communicator. He knew how to make you hear what he wanted you to hear. He was comfortable on the midway of the fairground selling you the best cutco knives. Or the newest fanciest set of pots and pans you didn't need. But, by the time, he was done talking to you wanted them, payed full price, and carried them home with you, sure they were better than sliced bread. And that's the best way I can describe Coach James Franklin to you.
Just to be clear, The Tgar takeaway from this is FRANKLIN IS A CARNIVAL BARKER. Would this be accurate?
 

G3624

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I admire your ability to analyze a person solely from a two minute conversation and the occasional hello or wave around town.
And three or four seasons of sitting in QB club listening to him talking to us people who don't understand football. But I get you. Just sharing my experience, but I can shut up. If I offended you.
 

manatree

All-Conference
Oct 6, 2021
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And three or four seasons of sitting in QB club listening to him talking to us people who don't understand football. But I get you. Just sharing my experience, but I can shut up. If I offended you.
You didn’t offend me. I was just making the point that neither you, nor I, nor almost anyone that would actually post here know the man.
 

Zone-Blitz

Senior
Oct 27, 2013
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My wife and I use to go a lot. At first, we use to go when Joe and Fran were there. We were attending as guests in those years. Went about two or three times a year. Didn't go during the Sandusky years. Went a couple of times when O'Brien coached. Then became members about four years into Franklin's regime. Attended quite regularly with another couple. I sat up front, usually right next to Fran Fisher. We enjoyed our times there and the acquaintances we made. Gave me a chance to renew my friendship with Fran. We first met at Rec Hall, when Bruce. Parkhill coached the team. My wife and I sat in section S2 Bruce's wife sat just in front of us. Joe and Fran, and sometimes Sue, sat In S4. At the time in the hallways, ashtrays hung on the walls and during time outs and halftimes one could smoke in the hallways. That's where I met Fran. We had many a discussion there through the years. I found we were born on the same day 9/23. I in 55, and if I remember right, he in 30, same year as my Mom. Her having been born on the 24 th. Do we would regularly convene our discussions in the rec hall hallways while smoking a butt. But, I digress.

When James showed up, I had been doing W-L percentages. Comparing the first four years of Joe, Rip, and James. James was killing it and I told I'm so at one of the events at QB club. He was surprised and came over wanting to hug me. I backed away saying I wanted nothing to do with it. I was just doing the maths. Steve Jones was there as my witness. Since then, whenever he saw me he would say I'll never forget that. And he never did. If I saw him around town he always said hi or waved. Peeps I was with would ask, "Do you know him?" I would say "sort of."

But over time I began to realize, he was just a communicator. He knew how to make you hear what he wanted you to hear. He was comfortable on the midway of the fairground selling you the best cutco knives. Or the newest fanciest set of pots and pans you didn't need. But, by the time, he was done talking to you wanted them, payed full price, and carried them home with you, sure they were better than sliced bread. And that's the best way I can describe Coach James Franklin to you.
It’s quite possible James Franklin is a good person with some flaws like any other person and just didn’t win big games. I don’t think he was out to con you or sell you pots and pans
 

LionJim

Heisman
Oct 12, 2021
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It’s quite possible James Franklin is a good person with some flaws like any other person and just didn’t win big games. I don’t think he was out to con you or sell you pots and pans
I appreciate the OP’s investment in time and money towards supporting PSU football, but it seems to me that in the case he’s describing Franklin was just doing his job. I’ll put it in quotes: “Franklin is a huckster because he wasn’t as good a coach as he pretended to be.” As I see it, that’s the complaint. I have a hard time visualizing any other CFB coach behaving differently in these cases than Franklin.
 

LionJim

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You didn’t offend me. I was just making the point that neither you, nor I, nor almost anyone that would actually post here know the man.
Once I realized that I have no idea how people other than my wife and daughters think, and acted accordingly, things got easier.

Now, off to the gym!
 

LionJim

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Both my wife and daughter tell me exactly what they think all the time.
My daughters do too. My wife, not so much but I read her like a book so same difference. I excel at anticipating what my wife wants or needs and so I get credit for being an excellent husband while it’s simply a matter of knowing what she wants.
 

PSJimbo

Sophomore
Jun 28, 2001
50
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My daughters do too. My wife, not so much but I read her like a book so same difference. I excel at anticipating what my wife wants or needs and so I get credit for being an excellent husband while it’s simply a matter of knowing what she wants.
LOL, have you shared these thoughts with your wife? I do this as well, as well as I possibly can. I don't think I have the skilz as yet at knowing what she wants so it is still a quest. Maybe some day...
 

SleepyLion

All-Conference
Sep 1, 2022
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And three or four seasons of sitting in QB club listening to him talking to us people who don't understand football. But I get you. Just sharing my experience, but I can shut up. If I offended you.
If we all shut up when someone else was offended the posts would stop.

Post away. You may have some insights.
 
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G3624

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Well, all things considered, and despite the pull a rabbit out his *** hire, after perusing the interwebs today, and the plurality of posts referring to Krafty as a Jagoff, I think it might be time for him to hand in his PSU card, and keep his 'Get Out Of Jail' card Handy. He as well might want to head up the Susquehanna and see if he can find some protection up in Forty Fort. Step might know some folks up that way.
 
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Ludd

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My daughters do too. My wife, not so much but I read her like a book so same difference. I excel at anticipating what my wife wants or needs and so I get credit for being an excellent husband while it’s simply a matter of knowing what she wants.
And a matter of survival.
 

LionJim

Heisman
Oct 12, 2021
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LOL, have you shared these thoughts with your wife? I do this as well, as well as I possibly can. I don't think I have the skilz as yet at knowing what she wants so it is still a quest. Maybe some day...
Yes, she knows how our dynamics work. We’ve been together 42 years, we’ve figured some things out.
 

ApexLion

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Nov 1, 2021
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I appreciate the OP’s investment in time and money towards supporting PSU football, but it seems to me that in the case he’s describing Franklin was just doing his job. I’ll put it in quotes: “Franklin is a huckster because he wasn’t as good a coach as he pretended to be.” As I see it, that’s the complaint. I have a hard time visualizing any other CFB coach behaving differently in these cases than Franklin.
Many of us like the op were spoiled by Joe. Paterno was unique for many reasons but his command and communication at the QB Club lunches was impressive and genuine. Everyone felt like they were part of the program’s success. I never met Franklin so I can only guess he could come off as a hustler to many boosters in comparison, rightly or wrongly.
 

Psu-cpa

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Nov 1, 2021
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Many of us like the op were spoiled by Joe. Paterno was unique for many reasons but his command and communication at the QB Club lunches was impressive and genuine. Everyone felt like they were part of the program’s success. I never met Franklin so I can only guess he could come off as a hustler to many boosters in comparison, rightly or wrongly.
I loved Joe. Still quote him a lot to this day. I met Franklin 4 times and found each of our brief encounters enjoyable.
 

Bvillebaron

All-Conference
Feb 4, 2004
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I admire your ability to analyze a person solely from a two minute conversation and the occasional hello or wave around town.
BINGO. Will there ever be an end to the Franklin bashing from the Franklin Derangement d Syndrome crowd?
 

Moogy

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Jul 28, 2017
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My wife and I use to go a lot. At first, we use to go when Joe and Fran were there. We were attending as guests in those years. Went about two or three times a year. Didn't go during the Sandusky years. Went a couple of times when O'Brien coached. Then became members about four years into Franklin's regime. Attended quite regularly with another couple. I sat up front, usually right next to Fran Fisher. We enjoyed our times there and the acquaintances we made. Gave me a chance to renew my friendship with Fran. We first met at Rec Hall, when Bruce. Parkhill coached the team. My wife and I sat in section S2 Bruce's wife sat just in front of us. Joe and Fran, and sometimes Sue, sat In S4. At the time in the hallways, ashtrays hung on the walls and during time outs and halftimes one could smoke in the hallways. That's where I met Fran. We had many a discussion there through the years. I found we were born on the same day 9/23. I in 55, and if I remember right, he in 30, same year as my Mom. Her having been born on the 24 th. Do we would regularly convene our discussions in the rec hall hallways while smoking a butt. But, I digress.

When James showed up, I had been doing W-L percentages. Comparing the first four years of Joe, Rip, and James. James was killing it and I told I'm so at one of the events at QB club. He was surprised and came over wanting to hug me. I backed away saying I wanted nothing to do with it. I was just doing the maths. Steve Jones was there as my witness. Since then, whenever he saw me he would say I'll never forget that. And he never did. If I saw him around town he always said hi or waved. Peeps I was with would ask, "Do you know him?" I would say "sort of."

But over time I began to realize, he was just a communicator. He knew how to make you hear what he wanted you to hear. He was comfortable on the midway of the fairground selling you the best cutco knives. Or the newest fanciest set of pots and pans you didn't need. But, by the time, he was done talking to you wanted them, payed full price, and carried them home with you, sure they were better than sliced bread. And that's the best way I can describe Coach James Franklin to you.
Besides the story not making any sense at many points, why were you so scared of a hug that you not only backed away from it, but exclaimed that you wanted nothing to do with it?

And somehow Franklin was still enamored with you despite the shunning? I guess he was chasing what he can’t have. And I guess he was that great of a communicator … he couldn’t even convince you to give him a little sugar.