UK football is a charity case in the SEC. Truly SEC in name only. When one thinks SEC Football Kentucky never, ever comes to mind. Ever
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Here's what there is evidence of, or what's intuitive:
- Every conference, every team wants more money.
- The escalation in conference media contracts will end or at least slow down at some point.
- If you're a new conference member and you're not perceived as bringing as much to the table, you're not going to get the same share of money. And the conference members decide that.
- Along with a handful of others, LPT and Vandy are P5 football bottom feeders. And each has a long history showing that's not changing. (LPT proudly calls itself a "basketball school"...)
- The SEC has a majority of schools focused on football.
- In the interests of self-preservation, any bottom feeder will sacrifice in order to stay in a P5 conference. The alternative is college athletics suicide.
LPT Football: We'll start shining shoes and licking boots...
Sorry, no. None of that is evidence to support your position. Not at all. That's you completely pulling something out of your ***. The SEC has not in any way, shape, or form indicated that it considering reducing payouts for Kentucky and Vanderbilt. No conference official has said that. No school president or athletic director has said that. Nobody in the media has even spoken about that. It hasn't happened, it isn't happening, and you have no evidence at all that it's going to happen in the future.
All I need is logic, and not a$$hat logic. Deny that everything on that list makes sense--if it hasn't already happened. Like I said, you're speculating against what is logical.
LPT Football: Nonsense...
No, you need evidence, of which you have none.
Remember, you are the guy who won't believe anything without a link.
Don't take it personally, but I don't believe that an interloping a$$hat knows anything without a link. If you want to make your point, bring one along. Otherwise, just an a$$hat.
And in the absence of info either way, I'll speculate all I want, thank you. Like I said, my side of the debate at least makes sense.
LPT Football: Still nonsense...
No, you side of the debate makes absolutely no sense. The SEC isn't even talking about doing it.
Not "doing it"? The ACC didn't have a network until this week. How do you know what the SEC is "doing"? And why would they discuss it publicly?
The Haves are taking from the Have-nots in college football every year. The next step is within-conference, and there's no better place for that to start than the SEC where the difference between best and worst teams is huge.
LPT Football: Ignorance is bliss...
--------2) The goal is to improve the conference so taking money from the programs that need it the most doesn't serve that purpose. The SEC wants Vandy and UK to be better in football--------
Just one more example of...........socialism has never worked anywhere.
Bama cares as much about LPT getting better in football as the slappies care about The Tide improving in basketball.
LPT Football: We're probably on our own...
LPT Football: We're probably on our own...
I've read a few articles about the idea of the top teams consolidating the money and locking the non-performers out.
Here's one that maybe stretches reality, but it shows at least that zipp isn't the only one thinking about these possibilities.
To me, it's cynical but if there's one thing I've learned about sports, it's follow the money. If the top schools can conspire together to find a way to shut out schools like UK and UofL, keeping more or themselves, they'll do it.
Link: http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...10-years-alabama-ohio-state-notre-dame-051616
Here's one that maybe stretches reality, but it shows at least that zipp isn't the only one thinking about these possibilities.
To me, it's cynical but if there's one thing I've learned about sports, it's follow the money. If the top schools can conspire together to find a way to shut out schools like UK and UofL, keeping more or themselves, they'll do it.
Link: http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...10-years-alabama-ohio-state-notre-dame-051616
The ACC has been talking with ESPN about getting a network for the last 4 years, and it was well-publicized. It was no secret.
You asked me how I know what the SEC is doing. Well, the problem is, you don't know what the SEC is doing either. No clue at all. The difference between you and me is, you are just making up something completely out of thin air, and saying, "Prove me wrong." Sorry, doesn't work that way. You are the one making a claim without any sort of evidence to back it up, so you are the one that has to have something concrete to back it up. You can't say, "Well, you can't prove the aren't doing that." What you are doing is a classic debating fallacy, in which you are asking an opponent to prove a negative. That's a classic strategy one adopts when he can't actually prove his point with facts.
That's not what the other poster is talking about. He's saying Kentucky and Vanderbilt will still be in the SEC, but they just won't get the same payout. Again, no basis in fact for this at all. It's just a guy making up something he wants to be true, and then proclaiming his completely made up scenario to be fact.
Double-M highlights an analogous piece of SPECULATION on the part of its author that has nothing but logic and intuition underpinning it as well. Namely, that the Haves will always, forevermore be seeking out systems and situations that grant them more money at the expense of the Have-nots. And the lack of hard evidence as to who is "doing it" in the present day matters not one iota.
[Now, I happen to think this Fox Sports writer is missing a few key considerations. A big one is that too small a group of Haves will be regulated back down to the pack of Have-nots. For example, for a state the size of Alabama, there's no chance that a majority of America is gonna look the other way while TWO of the Chosen 24 hail from the "Yellowhammer State". Indeed, that is the problem paring back much smaller than four conferences of 64 teams total. Not enough critical mass. But no one's gonna require all those 64 teams to be identically compensated, not when a handful are just sucking from the teats on the rest...]
Just different ideas on the same theme, and all of it speculative. Only an interloping a$$hat wouldn't see the commonalities.
LPT Football: #2 in Kentucky (on a good day)...
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Something like what Zipp suggests could happen. Or something like what the author of the article I linked. Another possibility is having divisions and the worst performer drops down to a lower division, the best moves up, like some soccer leagues. I have no idea what will happen but I think it's very likely the top schools will try to consolidate wealth in some way, putting the squeeze on under-performing schools. Whether it's kicking a UK out of the league, demoting them to a lower division, or splitting the pot less evenly, I don't know. But eventually there's going to be some sort of correction.
I know Louisville isn't out of the woods yet depending on how deep the cuts go. That's why we can't afford to rest on our laurels, entering a new league and thinking the work is done. We have to continue trying to improve in winning, making our fanbase bigger, and financially. I trust with Jurich this will continue to happen. Hopefully we'll be positioned in a way where we'll make the next cut.
What you really want long term is to be among the best in all of the sports that matter COMBINED. At the top obviously is football and basketball. Then you have the next three: women's basketball, baseball, and soccer.
I have no concerns because for several years now, Louisville has ranked very high in these sorts of analyses:
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/3/20/8256899/best-college-sports-athletic-departments
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-ba...-stanford/1veb68whl8op21r9ibxy12nrzj/slide/13
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...t-football-and-basketball-team-combos/page/17
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogergr...and-basketball-may-surprise-you/#762780052185
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogergr...and-basketball-may-surprise-you/#762780052185
At the top of these lists is where I wanna be in the long run, when the Power Five pull away from the NCAA and keep more of their basketball revenues. Then basketball starts to measure up financially alongside football. In the short run, the football numbers matter most, and that's bad news for schools that don't carry their weight in that sport. The only worthwhile debate is how soon that reality hits home and to what degree.
Anyone in denial about this stuff is clueless.
LPT Football: A river in Egypt...
I have no concerns because for several years now, Louisville has ranked very high in these sorts of analyses:
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/3/20/8256899/best-college-sports-athletic-departments
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-ba...-stanford/1veb68whl8op21r9ibxy12nrzj/slide/13
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...t-football-and-basketball-team-combos/page/17
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogergr...and-basketball-may-surprise-you/#762780052185
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogergr...and-basketball-may-surprise-you/#762780052185
At the top of these lists is where I wanna be in the long run, when the Power Five pull away from the NCAA and keep more of their basketball revenues. Then basketball starts to measure up financially alongside football. In the short run, the football numbers matter most, and that's bad news for schools that don't carry their weight in that sport. The only worthwhile debate is how soon that reality hits home and to what degree.
Anyone in denial about this stuff is clueless.
LPT Football: A river in Egypt...
No, I'm just calling you out for pulling stuff out of your *** and trying to pass it off as fact. You can easily take a look on Google and see how much "speculation" on college sports has turned out to be accurate. (Hint: the percentage is very low.)
"Could happen" is the entire problem. You can't make someone else acknowledge your position simply because it "could happen." Until you have some sort of concrete evidence, you simply have to acknowledge that the position is pure speculation.
In other words, when you are having a pissing contest with a Kentucky fan, you can't say, "Well, the SEC is going to stop paying you all that money." The FACT is, Kentucky is getting that money, and there is absolutely no indication the league is going to stop paying that money. That's the reality. You and the other poster have nothing but pie-in-the-sky wishful thinking.
By the way, as far as what "could happen," I'm still waiting for the 4 super conferences and the "pods." That's supposed to have been coming for about 10 years now.
So find me where I called conference fortune-telling "fact". And take your time looking.
Other than links, the only "fact' in this thread is probably who is and who's not an a$$hat.
LPT Football: That includes us...
You can't. That's the problem. You simply can't use your opinion as part of an argument until something comes out to back it up. What I'm telling you is, you're simply **** out of luck.
You're changing your a$$hat argument. Once again. You said I tried to pass off something that wasn't fact as fact. Now, you're speaking in hypotheticals because you're a true-to-form a$$hat who can't stay on course.
And I'm free to speculate here like the rest of the world does. Some interloping a$$hat isn't playing traffic cop, though he tries.
LPT Football: Did someone holler "a$$hat"?...
No, I can completely stay on course. Here's the course. The SEC isn't planning on cutting Kentucky's pay, or Vanderbilt's. You just made it up and pulled it out of your ***. I'll keep waiting on that announcement.........
And find where I said that was what the SEC was planning. Find where I said that was even likely to happen. Find where I said that was even more likely to happen than any other prediction about where conference alignments and changes result.
Or take the a$$hat approach and just make it up.
LPT Football: That generally works for us...
Here you go:
That's what you said. And guess what? It's not happening. Again, call me when the SEC stops paying Kentucky. I'll wait..........
All of those comments are simply my speculation on future events. Nowhere did I say that stuff was "happening" or that conferences were "doing it". That's your a$$hat commentary and conclusions and fabrications.
The last thing I'm gonna do is accept the logic of an a$$hat.
And you don't have a clue what the SEC is planning, nor will you be anywhere close to the first to know. You'll be trolling around like other a$$hats waiting for it.
LPT Football: He can hang out here...
The last thing I'm gonna do is accept the logic of an a$$hat.
And you don't have a clue what the SEC is planning, nor will you be anywhere close to the first to know. You'll be trolling around like other a$$hats waiting for it.
LPT Football: He can hang out here...
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I think (?) that was the conference revenue share including all media and bowls, not just the SECN revenue.
Peace
I think at some point in the future, the power teams will try to consolidate the wealth and shut everyone else out, but I have no proof, no expert witnesses, no smoking gun clandestine emails from the CFO of the SEC. It's just a theory. I see Zipp's idea as a possibility, and the idea of the author I linked.
Again, I don't know what will happen or pretend to, just my humble opinion. I think the top teams will eventually consolidate the money to themselves and shut others out. Could be wrong, who knows?
Again, I don't know what will happen or pretend to, just my humble opinion. I think the top teams will eventually consolidate the money to themselves and shut others out. Could be wrong, who knows?
One thing you're right about. It's pure speculation. It's just a guess pulled out of your ***. It's not anything that's actually going to happen.
tiger = a$$hat who knows nothing pointing at other people while saying they know nothing.
So, why are you here??
LPT Football: Wondering the same thing...
So, why are you here??
LPT Football: Wondering the same thing...
Here's an idea. Why don't you hold your breath while we're waiting for the SEC to stop paying Kentucky.
I'll give it a shot while this space remains a$$hat free. Deal?
LPT Football: And we'll go away too...