Reread your statement and then look up the word self awareness In the dictionary.
Huggins punishment
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for those that wanted him gone, they are un-phased.
It doesn't appear that WVU was willing to cave to the fire him crowd.
LGBT folks are significantly more likely to commit suicide and/or have suicidal thoughts than the average person. That tendency is believed to be an extension of the stress, anxiety, and depression that occurs when a person perceives or experiences rejection and exclusion by loved ones, friends, and their community.
I took a friend to the hospital in 2017 for alcohol poisoning because they came out to their family. Suddenly, half of the people who raised them no longer recognized the person as family, antagonized them, didn't listen, and/or didn't believe them. Half their family, to them, effectively died that day (and vice versa). Understandably, that messes with people. In her case it culminated in a medical emergency.
In the grand scheme of things, Huggins's words aren't the end of the world, but they contribute to a broader problem that's also contributing to WV's population exodus. That said, I like Huggy's punishment and am glad he didn't get fired in the cancel culture movement. Just an unfortunate situation all around that could've been prevented by keeping his mouth shut.
I have a friend that lives in a fairly small town in West Virginia. She had to move there many years ago when her husband's job moved there. She would agree with you, too. The majority of people are rednecks and hillbilly backwoods types...even in the cities and towns. And she said they are very clickish in that they don't let outsiders in very easily. She said she has lived there 40+ years and still feels like and outsider because she wasn't born there...and she's a very nice, outgoing person who is very charitable and wants to help people. So I can understand the sentiment regarding Huggins, etc.
I don't disagree with any of what you said. But his words don't stop anyone from doing their thing. The words can be hurtful. There are lots of unnecessary and hurtful things in the world. Possessing the ability to process and deal with it is the key. Mental health and mental illness is a huge problem, but it always has been. The inability with a large portion of the population to compartmentalize others thoughts and words is a huge problem. I'm agnostic. There are plenty of things I don't agree with in the religions of the world. And vice versa with those that practice those religions. And I don't give a damn what their thoughts are of me. If the world worried less about what others thought of them, we all might be better off. The realization that others aren't always going to support or accept our way of life is an important point to understand. My problem is, and always will be, the INTENTIONAL ACTIONS of any group against another group. That has always been where I thought the lines were crossed.
I had a cousin whose granddaughter came out and he gave up on her,his words were "She's dead to me"..Then when her parents tragically passed away,my cousin was all for trying to get her due to her being underage at the time.Thankfully she refused him and instead stayed with her other adopted grandparents...He wanted her due to a big life insurance payment coming his grandaughters way...I was glad she didn't end up in his environment.
I'm not saying it's right or it's wrong but I prefer to live and let live.As a Christian it's not my task to cast judgement on anyone.Ill let God take care of that when we all shall stand before our creator and give account for ourselves.But words are the most hurtful thing there is in my opinion.They destroy....and things like "She's dead to me" is truly sad
But how many really wanted him gone? Opinions of idiots on Twitter and social media aren't those of normal people and the general public.
I also have a friend that is gay. We've been friends since we were young. The same thing happened to her when she came out to her family. Most just wrote her out of their lives. She was devastated, naturally. She had hoped they would at least accept her, even if they didn't agree with it. But she was wrong. My parents loved all of my friends and just sort of adopted her (we were both in our 20's). My whole family treated her better than most of her own, because it didn't change the person she was to them. Even if they didn't like her lifestyle, they LOVED her. When my mom passed away last year, she came in from out of town for the service and even sang (she has a beautiful voice). She said it felt like she had lost her mom, too.
Anyway, sorry if I rambled. You can love the person and not like or approve the lifestyle. My family and I have.
Why do college basketball coaches make this kind of money? Couldn’t that be spent elsewhere on real needs?
Not saying I’m all in on it going where it’s going per se but, college coaches make more money than most folks will ever dream of seeing. It’s ridiculous
Nay Nay. This is Murcia. Where is you disagree with someone on something you must hate their guts and shun them forever.
The way it should be. Everyone acting like adults. We all screw up. Now granted, some screw ups have to have severe immediate consequences. This is one where he apologized and hopefully won’t show such behavior again. If he does, he’s probably in major hot water.
I'll be fine. Seems you're not. Life continues.
The United States of America, Land of Perpetual Outrage.
I'm with you on your general point, the perpetual outrage in this country in 2023 is so over the top.
That being said, Huggins was real dumb for this one. Like head scratchingly dumb.
I was assured by the “cancel culture” boomers in here that the marxists would ensure Huggins was fired and never heard from again
People forget that he’s a community and university representative. It’s not like he was some no name dude. Or doesn’t have a public facing job. If you are out in public (and a radio broadcast is going out in public) you should mind your words and have some sense of decorum.
You can always tell who the morons who watch newsmax are
Technically Catholicism and Christianity are two different faiths and two different doctrines. They're separate.
I'm of the opinion people should be outraged by one of the most visible public figures in the state using that kind of language in a public forum. No place for that. The punishment, while harsh, is better than losing your job so he should be thankful for that because he damn well knows that type of language is no longer tolerated in polite society, and especially by a state employee.
It's not so much cancel culture as it is consequence culture. Societal norms change with time and right now that type of language towards an historically marginalized group is not something society is currently accepting of. You're free to do it of course but everyone else is free to boycott your company/institution etc. to show their disapproval. I don't personally get the bud light boycott but there are a group of people who decided to boycott it over a trans person in an ad and that's their right to vote w/ their wallets too, even if I think it's irrational.
So, if you say the wrong word now you gotta write a big fat check to a organization that may stand for something you totally oppose? Forget that. I have to believe Huggins is getting close to the end of his career. Honestly, how long before he's forced out anyway?
If I am him, I offer a apology to Xavier and any WVU fans that feel offended but, I'm keeping the $1 million. If that isn't enough for the university then they can buy out my contract and I'll go fishing.
If I am him, I offer a apology to Xavier and any WVU fans that feel offended but, I'm keeping the $1 million. If that isn't enough for the university then they can buy out my contract and I'll go fishing.
I pity anyone who is offended by the word Huggins used! If you’re that emotionally fragile, then that's on you!
The last thing I wanna do is get in a religion discussion, but I can't resist responding to this laughable nonsense.
It is painfully stupid to suggest that Catholics are not Christians. Indeed, Catholicism is the original Christian church, the one that was here first before other denominations began splintering off from it.
Fair punishment. Let’s all move on. Lost in the shuffle is the rubber dongs being thrown on the court.
There would be no buyout, he would be fired with cause and leave with nothing.
Maybe, maybe not. I'm sure there are literally hundreds of example of coaches saying things that were allegedly inappropriate that didn't get them fired. Just use Bobby Knight as the precedent. It took him choking a player before he was finally let go. And he said some pretty inflammatory things at his press conferences.
I doubt WVU would enjoy a very public legal fight over firing a beloved coach for saying a word that 90% of its fanbase use pretty often.
Also, just wondering if the radio hosts that had Huggins on their show will be donating large portions of their salaries as well? It's not like they weren't involved either.
I'm not offended by what he said, but it was in very poor taste. If I was on a radio show I would be very careful about what I said. The fact that he said it twice suggests that he probably talks like this a lot in private. It's a changing world. Whether for the better or worse is up for debate; but you have to have a little self awareness.
Incorrect...There's not precedent in the case of a breach of contract. Indiana just chose never to pursue that with RMK...until they did. Knight's actions and the lack of repercussions have zero bearing on WVU initiating litigation over a breach of contract based on what Huggins said. I honestly think they'd have a case if they wanted one, based on personal conduct policies that probably exist in his contract.
Seems to me Huggins would have a case of breach of contract if WVU failed to pay him what his contract says they owe him. By withholding $1 million of his salary the university would be in breach. That is if Huggins didn't sign off on it. Which apparently he has.
I just think it's hilarious that the same group that is so angry and bitter with what Huggins said, will have no problem accepting and spending a million dollars of his money. Hypocrisy much?
Nah, if that isn't enough you're fired for cause and forfeit your entire contract. There are clauses in contracts that discuss this type of stuff.
He did sign off on it (pdf is already online). I'm assuming he signed off on it bc he could have been fired with cause instead. So, it was basically take a $1 million pay cut or hit the road with nothing.
You guys are clearly ignorant to the history of what LGBTQ people have dealt with if you think this is just "the wrong word". It's a hateful slur used to dehumanize people. Look at the suicide rates in that community, this isn't just a bad joke or a insensitive word. There are numerous accounts in this thread from people who say they know of situations where a parent would basically rather their child die than come out as gay.
And the money is going to things like treating HIV/AIDS, help young LGBTQ people with their mental health so they don't commit suicide, and helping homeless people. I'd love to hear how that is "something you totally oppose".
Rather disgusting the number of people defending his right to say it VERY PUBLICLY without consequence from his employer.
Huge correlation between LGBTQ community and mental health needs for sure. Needs to be addressed.
Oh FFS...Nothing about what he said was an attempt to dehumanize anyone. This is the kind of over the top crap that is 2023. It's an incredibly stupid thing to say, no doubt. It's slang. But it isn't a hateful slur in the context it was used. Context absolutely matters. Just a ridiculous take.
You can always tell the posters who live with a stick up for their ***.