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I guess the coward , Gary Pinkel, doesn't like answering questions

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moe said:
What are you saying that Pinkel did wrong in the interview and why wouldn't he be able to find another coaching job?
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No, what I am saying is that Pinkel stabbed the University President in the back. No one will trust him.
 
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countryroads89 said:
I'll be damned, a college coach supported his players, imagine that.
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He could have found a way to both support his players and call for calm and reason. Instead he picked one side essentially vilifying the Administration. Now, he won't answer questions as to how much damage this will cause, not only to Mizzou but other Universities. And he claims ignorance about his own white male privilege.
 
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WVPATX said:
He could have found a way to both support his players and call for calm and reason. Instead he picked one side essentially vilifying the Administration. Now, he won't answer questions as to how much damage this will cause, not only to Mizzou but other Universities. And he claims ignorance about his own white male privilege.
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Imo, the coach could pick and choose the questions he wants to answer. I'm sure if the interviewer asked about their next opponent, the coach would have lots to say. I'm still not seeing what's wrong with the coach supporting his players. It's not the coach's fault that the admin quit their jobs. And regarding "white male privilege", why didn't they just ask him if he still beats his wife. The white privilige question is a joke imo. I'd guess that the coach could explain in detail how he came to have his current position.
 
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Imo, the coach could pick and choose the questions he wants to answer. I'm sure if the interviewer asked about their next opponent, the coach would have lots to say. I'm still not seeing what's wrong with the coach supporting his players. It's not the coach's fault that the admin quit their jobs. And regarding "white male privilege", why didn't they just ask him if he still beats his wife. The white privilige question is a joke imo. I'd guess that the coach could explain in detail how he came to have his current position.
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Part of the demands made to the University President was to renounce his white male privilege and then resign. It is very fair to ask Pinkel is he too will renounce his white male privilege. Pinkel chose a side, and he's both disloyal and a coward. He could easily have helped to defuse the situation but instead he inflamed it.

Be careful who you support here. This movement will grow regardless of facts. It could easily come to a University near you.
 
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Part of the demands made to the University President was to renounce his white male privilege and then resign. It is very fair to ask Pinkel is he too will renounce his white male privilege. Pinkel chose a side, and he's both disloyal and a coward. He could easily have helped to defuse the situation but instead he inflamed it.

Be careful who you support here. This movement will grow regardless of facts. It could easily come to a University near you.
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You're entitled to your opinion though I think you're way off on most of it.
 
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WVPATX said:
Part of the demands made to the University President was to renounce his white male privilege and then resign. It is very fair to ask Pinkel is he too will renounce his white male privilege. Pinkel chose a side, and he's both disloyal and a coward. He could easily have helped to defuse the situation but instead he inflamed it.

Be careful who you support here. This movement will grow regardless of facts. It could easily come to a University near you.
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Many of Pinkel's players-Black and White- were not happy with the racial situation at Mizzou. Pinkel supported his players. He showed empathy. Anyone who has ever played a team sport knows that players support players, coaches support players, and players support coaches. They are one. Pinkel understands what you apparently don't. Had he stayed out of it, or encouraged his players to end the strike, he would have lost his team-or at least a big part of it. That's the team side of it.

The other side of it is social justice. And that is a whole can of worms. If his players were willing to stick their necks out for what they perceived as advocating social justice, then he was right to join them.

It is not surprising that we now have the wingnuts-you- all up in arms about this. They (you) have rarely met an instance of social injustice that they were could get behind fixing. On the contrary, they(you) find ways to excuse social injustice. So help me trayvon martin.
 
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RichardPeterJohnson said:
Many of Pinkel's players-Black and White- were not happy with the racial situation at Mizzou. Pinkel supported his players. He showed empathy. Anyone who has ever played a team sport knows that players support players, coaches support players, and players support coaches. They are one. Pinkel understands what you apparently don't. Had he stayed out of it, or encouraged his players to end the strike, he would have lost his team-or at least a big part of it. That's the team side of it.

The other side of it is social justice. And that is a whole can of worms. If his players were willing to stick their necks out for what they perceived as advocating social justice, then he was right to join them.

It is not surprising that we now have the wingnuts-you- all up in arms about this. They (you) have rarely met an instance of social injustice that they were could get behind fixing. On the contrary, they(you) find ways to excuse social injustice. So help me trayvon martin.
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There is one social injustice they always get behind. The war on Christmas. Lol
 
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On the resignation day I saw a short clip of MU students, both white who said the resignations were needed and overdue.
 
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On the resignation day I saw a short clip of MU students, both white who said the resignations were needed and overdue.
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I also saw a Journalism Professor try and tamp down the freedom of the press.... Sometimes smart people do stupid things.

Were racial tensions high on the campus? May have been. But IMHO a Public University allowed itself to be held hostage by a group of people that may not have been completely honest in its representation of events.
 
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RichardPeterJohnson said:
Many of Pinkel's players-Black and White- were not happy with the racial situation at Mizzou. Pinkel supported his players. He showed empathy. Anyone who has ever played a team sport knows that players support players, coaches support players, and players support coaches. They are one. Pinkel understands what you apparently don't. Had he stayed out of it, or encouraged his players to end the strike, he would have lost his team-or at least a big part of it. That's the team side of it.

The other side of it is social justice. And that is a whole can of worms. If his players were willing to stick their necks out for what they perceived as advocating social justice, then he was right to join them.

It is not surprising that we now have the wingnuts-you- all up in arms about this. They (you) have rarely met an instance of social injustice that they were could get behind fixing. On the contrary, they(you) find ways to excuse social injustice. So help me trayvon martin.
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You, as usual, are wrong in so many ways. He could have supported his team while working to diffuse the situation. Social justice? There were 3 alleged incidents, one of which happened off campus. None of the incidents can be corroborated. This was a teachable moment for Pinkel and his team, but he abdicated. He threw the University President under the bus. What kind of lesson is he teaching these young men? Ignore the facts? Rush to judgment? Throw a tantrum and threaten to get your way? And what about the majority of team members that did not sign that statement?

What about his own white male privilege? Why run away from the question? When you open up this ridiculous a can of worms, you sometimes get hoisted on your own petard.
 
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moe said:
On the resignation day I saw a short clip of MU students, both white who said the resignations were needed and overdue.
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So kids get to decide this? Do you know why many of the kids were upset? Because the graduate students lost their health care. Do you know why? Obamacare. But they are too stupid to know this.
 
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Mntneer said:
I also saw a Journalism Professor try and tamp down the freedom of the press.... Sometimes smart people do stupid things.

Were racial tensions high on the campus? May have been. But IMHO a Public University allowed itself to be held hostage by a group of people that may not have been completely honest in its representation of events.
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Based on my limited info regarding what has been going on at MU during the former President and Chancellor's time there, I think that protesters (for the most part) are sensitive drama queens (over reacting) considering what I've read that happened there recently and I think that the President and Chancellor were weak for resigning but they may have been strongly encouraged to resign by those that they answer to. If you're being critical of the students on tv that I referred to then that's your right but I accept their comments as coming from people who know alot more about the situation there than I do and I also view it as an indication that at some (or alot?) of non-black students thought that the admin wasn't doing enough to address recent racist events there.
 
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So kids get to decide this? Do you know why many of the kids were upset? Because the graduate students lost their health care. Do you know why? Obamacare. But they are too stupid to know this.
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The adults decided to resign, the students didn't make them. Care to back up the rest of your post?
 
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The adults decided to resign, the students didn't make them. Care to back up the rest of your post?
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The adults decided to resign because the football team threatened to walk out. I agree the President was weak as was Pinkel (who is also a Benedict Arnold). But the precedent this sets for other schools across the country is very dangerous. If these 3 small, uncorroborated incidents can led to this kind of carnage, we are all in danger.
 
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WVPATX said:
So kids get to decide this? Do you know why many of the kids were upset? Because the graduate students lost their health care. Do you know why? Obamacare. But they are too stupid to know this.
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Oh my God, there is something seriously wrong with you. The president resigned and ADMITTED that he failed. There are WHITE faculty that agree with the students' assessment of the conditions at the school.

You honestly can't see anything objectively. You twist everything to fit the narrative that you agree with (right-wing ideology).
 
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The adults decided to resign because the football team threatened to walk out. I agree the President was weak as was Pinkel (who is also a Benedict Arnold). But the precedent this sets for other schools across the country is very dangerous. If these 3 small, uncorroborated incidents can led to this kind of carnage, we are all in danger.
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I think that you're as big a drama queen as are the MU protesters. MU is an example on how not to do things and how to let them get out of hand. University administrators who aren't watching and learning from this debacle are missing a learning opportunity.
 
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Oh my God, there is something seriously wrong with you. The president resigned and ADMITTED that he failed. There are WHITE faculty that agree with the students' assessment of the conditions at the school.

You honestly can't see anything objectively. You twist everything to fit the narrative that you agree with (right-wing ideology).
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You know so very little about what is going on at Mizzou. Many faculty hated the President because of his budget cuts. They wanted him gone. They egged on these protesters. Read Jason Whitlock's op ed for some education.

There were 3 and only 3 incidents cited by the students.

1. The student body president, while off campus, claimed that someone in a red truck shouted a racial slur at him.
2. Black students practicing on campus for a play were allegedly confronted by a white student who yelled a racial slur at them.
3. A nazi swastika was allegedly smeared on a bath room wall.

None of these incidents has ever been corroborated, but even if they occurred, this kind of stuff happens everywhere. Complete overreaction egged on by professors.
 
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moe said:
I think that you're as big a drama queen as are the MU protesters. MU is an example on how not to do things and how to let them get out of hand. University administrators who aren't watching and learning from this debacle are missing a learning opportunity.
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No I am simply pointing out the consequences of liberal ideology. Safe spaces, trigger warnings, white privilege, micro aggressions, etc. Instead of preparing these kids for life, libs are coddling and babysitting. You've seen the consequences at Yale and Mizzou and it will spread.
 
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I'd say he was a smart guy who saw which way the wind was blowing and decided not to go down with the president.
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Just look at their record and that'll tell you why he stood where he did. Were they undefeated and leading the pack in the SEC.... he'd have told a different story.
 
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Just look at their record and that'll tell you why he stood where he did. Were they undefeated and leading the pack in the SEC.... he'd have told a different story.
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I actually have to give Pinkel credit with a very out of the box way of saving his job. Get the President fired first. The following link will provide you with information about the true character of Gary Pinkel https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/missouri-footballs-rape-culture-and-so-on-and-so-forth
 
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