I Hope Collins is Watching Virginia

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That’s the template for how NU should play and the type of players we should be able to recruit to successfully run that system. The contrast between UVA’s style and Auburn’s style is glaring. Old school basketball vs. modern day AAU style basketball.
 

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I think Collins is pretty aware of how to have a team trailing at halftime.

Good one. We’ll see what happens at the end of the game. If Virginia can tighten up their transition defense and force Auburn into a half court game, they’ll win this game.
 
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Good one. We’ll see what happens at the end of the game. If Virginia can tighten up their transition defense and force Auburn into a half court game, they’ll win this game.
Virginia is already controlling the tempo and is down. Auburn has shot the three like poop and is up. I hope Virginia wins because Pearl is a ****, but it's not encouraging right now.
 

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Virginia is already controlling the tempo and is down. Auburn has shot the three like poop and is up. I hope Virginia wins because Pearl is a ****, but it's not encouraging right now.

They have not been consistently controlling the tempo. That Auburn PG is terrific and has created a lot of easy transition baskets. Virginia needs to eliminate those in the second half and also needs to clean up the defensive boards. Too many second shots.

Regardless, my original point was not to make the arguement that Virginia would win this game. It was to highlight that this is how I think NU should play and these are the type of kids NU should be looking to recruit. This is the template for building a consistently successful basketball team at NU.
 
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They have not been consistently controlling the tempo. That Auburn PG is terrific and has created a lot of easy transition baskets. Virginia needs to eliminate those in the second half and also needs to clean up the defensive boards. Too many second shots.

Regardless, my original point was not to make the arguement that Virginia would win this game. It was to highlight that this is how I think NU should play and these are the type of kids NU should be looking to recruit. This is the template for building a consistently successful basketball team at NU.
They win a lot and I would like to win a lot, so that works for me.
 

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5:00 UVA scoring drought late in the game....I think Collins already has that perfected.
 

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Whatta game. With the weight of the world on him, Guy gets fouled trying to win the game AND sinks 3 consecutive FTs to win the game. Huevitos de ferro.

I'm sure CCC learned a lot about how to recruit top 50 players watching this game.
 

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5:00 UVA scoring drought late in the game....I think Collins already has that perfected.

The momentum completely changed when Jerome committed his 4th foul on a very dumb play in the backcourt. He had to leave the game and despite having a ten point lead Virginia could not overcome his loss. They lost all offensive balance and rhythm. UVA’s Achilles heel is they don’t have any sort of bench. Ultimately the better team still won.
 

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Whatta game. With the weight of the world on him, Guy gets fouled trying to win the game AND sinks 3 consecutive FTs to win the game. Huevitos de ferro.

I'm sure CCC learned a lot about how to recruit top 50 players watching this game.

Which Virginia players were top 50 recruits? Honestly I don’t know but I’d be very surprised if any of those guys were top 50 recruits because I didn’t see any elite athletic ability on their team and that usually is what you see in top 50 recruits.
 

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That’s the template for how NU should play and the type of players we should be able to recruit to successfully run that system. The contrast between UVA’s style and Auburn’s style is glaring. Old school basketball vs. modern day AAU style basketball.
Let's see-control tempo, shoot 3's, fall back on D after shooting rather than contest for offensive rebounds-some heads are going to explode
 

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Which Virginia players were top 50 recruits? Honestly I don’t know but I’d be very surprised if any of those guys were top 50 recruits because I didn’t see any elite athletic ability on their team and that usually is what you see in top 50 recruits.
Guy, #37
Jerome, #44
Diakite, #32

(Per 247)
 

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Yes, the better team won, but AU got screwed.

Oh please. Refs make mistakes throughout the game that benefit both teams and in this type of game you can point to any one call and say it was the difference in the game. The refs did not decide this game.
 

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Which Virginia players were top 50 recruits? Honestly I don’t know but I’d be very surprised if any of those guys were top 50 recruits because I didn’t see any elite athletic ability on their team and that usually is what you see in top 50 recruits.

I don't know either - but if they're not top 50 recruits, they played like it, so they might as well have been. I can't imagine how you saw so little elite athletic ability, but for me, that's as good as college hoops gets.

The cheap shots at CCC here are only about being able to recruit such players.
 

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Let's see-control tempo, shoot 3's, fall back on D after shooting rather than contest for offensive rebounds-some heads are going to explode

Shoot 3s, fall back on defense, no offensive rebounding? What game were you watching. Virginia’ half court motion offense is terrific and got them just as many layups as it did 3s. Yes, they have shooters who can hit open 3s within the rhythm of an offense that moves the ball to find the open shooter rather than an offense where a player comes down, dribbles the ball for 20 seconds and then takes a fade-away three with a hand in his face and the clock running down. What UVA also has is a terrific/unselfish point guard who penetrates, distributes the ball and can hit an open three, players that play terrific/relentless man to man team defense and players who box out and hit the boards. I’ve seen very little of this from Chris Collins coached teams over the last couple of years.
 

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I don't know either - but if they're not top 50 recruits, they played like it, so they might as well have been. I can't imagine how you saw so little elite athletic ability, but for me, that's as good as college hoops gets.

The cheap shots at CCC here are only about being able to recruit such players.

Yes they played like a TEAM with top 50 recruits. That’s what a good coach, that gets his players to play very hard and with a system that fits his players does for you. That’s exactly the point.
 

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Shoot 3s, fall back on defense, no offensive rebounding? What game were you watching. Virginia’ half court motion offense is terrific and got them just as many layups as it did 3s. Yes, they have shooters who can hit open 3s within the rhythm of an offense that moves the ball to find the open shooter rather than an offense where a player comes down, dribbles the ball for 20 seconds and then takes a fade-away three with a hand in his face and the clock running down. What UVA also has is a terrific/unselfish point guard who penetrates, distributes the ball and can hit an open three, players that play terrific/relentless man to man team defense and players who box out and hit the boards. I’ve seen very little of this from Chris Collins coached teams over the last couple of years.
Tony Bennett is a special coach. He's had UVA as a #1 seed in the Tournament 4 of the last 6 years. Comparing Collins to Bennett is unfair.
 

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Oh please. Refs make mistakes throughout the game that benefit both teams and in this type of game you can point to any one call and say it was the difference in the game. The refs did not decide this game.

Don't know about that. Not calling that double-dribble was a high school level mistake. And their were TWO refs near the ball (thanks to one being terribly out of position) who could have made what should have been an easy call that close up, but neither did. The Gonzaga goaltend against us as bad as that was, was actually a tougher call than this one.
 

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The Gonzaga goaltend against us as bad as that was, was actually a tougher call than this one.
And yet Bruce Pearl didn't lose his mind, run out on the court and cost his team 2 FTs on a technical.....

Never mind.
 

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Tony Bennett is a special coach. He's had UVA as a #1 seed in the Tournament 4 of the last 6 years. Comparing Collins to Bennett is unfair.

I agree he is a great coach but my point was not to compare Collins to Bennett. My point is what Bennett has done at UVA in terms of system, culture and the type of players he recruits is a good template for Collins to emulate. That’s all.
 

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I agree he is a great coach but my point was not to compare Collins to Bennett. My point is what Bennett has done at UVA in terms of system, culture and the type of players he recruits is a good template for Collins to emulate. That’s all.
I agree. I like his mature demeanor on the sidelines as well. Never loses his mind on a call. Treats his kids like adults.
 

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Shoot 3s, fall back on defense, no offensive rebounding? What game were you watching. Virginia’ half court motion offense is terrific and got them just as many layups as it did 3s. Yes, they have shooters who can hit open 3s within the rhythm of an offense that moves the ball to find the open shooter rather than an offense where a player comes down, dribbles the ball for 20 seconds and then takes a fade-away three with a hand in his face and the clock running down. What UVA also has is a terrific/unselfish point guard who penetrates, distributes the ball and can hit an open three, players that play terrific/relentless man to man team defense and players who box out and hit the boards. I’ve seen very little of this from Chris Collins coached teams over the last couple of years.

Read the post again maybe you will get its true meaning . You are so intent on criticizing me every chance you get that you were blind to the irony of what you suggested.

Incidentally, my analysis of UVA's game philosophy was based on watching them for the past 10 Bennett years and was echoed by 3 coaches on ESPN radio today-control tempo, shoot 3's unless the easy shot is there, forgo offensive rebounding to prevent transition BB and of course the "packline defense"

If you think my post had anything to do with CC, that is your problem

PS: You should go to Charlottesville, like I do. The John Paul Jones Arena is a spectacular venue. You would also have a better idea of how UVA counteracts superior talent
 
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And yet Bruce Pearl didn't lose his mind, run out on the court and cost his team 2 FTs on a technical.....

Never mind.
Actually Bruce came on the court yelling and screaming like a maniac after the late foul call (the cameras were not on him after the double dribble, so I don't know what he did there). But the refs didn't give him a T, imagine that..
 

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Actually Bruce came on the court yelling and screaming like a maniac after the late foul call (the cameras were not on him after the double dribble, so I don't know what he did there). But the refs didn't give him a T, imagine that..
Because the play was dead. Refs give a little leeway when the ball isn't in play. Collins ran out halfway to the foul line with the Zags bringing the ball up the court. A very different situation........
 

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Read the post again maybe you will get its true meaning . You are so intent on criticizing me every chance you get that you were blind to the irony of what you suggested.

Incidentally, my analysis of UVA's game philosophy was based on watching them for the past 10 Bennett years and was echoed by 3 coaches on ESPN radio today-control tempo, shoot 3's unless the easy shot is there, forgo offensive rebounding to prevent transition BB and of course the "packline defense"

If you think my post had anything to do with CC, that is your problem

I disputed your description of how Virginia plays. Wasn’t that what your post was about?
 

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Because the play was dead. Refs give a little leeway when the ball isn't in play. Collins ran out halfway to the foul line with the Zags bringing the ball up the court. A very different situation........
Ah, got it, the same behavior that gets a T when the ball is live doesn't when the ball is dead. Go find that reference in the NCAA rulebook for me. Cliffs: it isn't there...
 

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I disputed your description of how Virginia plays. Wasn’t that what your post was about?
No and you're wrong about UVA's philosophy-control tempo, shoot 3's, eliminate transition baskets has been their key to success because Duke and NC have superior, deeper and more athletic talent-you must beat them in the half court and prevent easy baskets. UVA averaged only 60 possessions/game and cannot afford to give up cheap baskets, so they do not emphasize offensive rebounding
 

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No and you're wrong about UVA's philosophy-control tempo, shoot 3's, eliminate transition baskets has been their key to success because Duke and NC have superior, deeper and more athletic talent-you must beat them in the half court and prevent easy baskets. UVA averaged only 60 possessions/game and cannot afford to give up cheap baskets, so they do not emphasize offensive rebounding

If you watch that offense, especially relative to how basketball is played today, and think that its focus is getting and taking three point shots, then you and I watched a different game tonight. Auburn has an offense focused on three point shots, Virginia does not. Virginia is an old school, ball penetration motion offense whose focus is on getting high percentage shots within the paint area.
 

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If you watch that offense, especially relative to how basketball is played today, and think that its focus is getting and taking three point shots, then you and I watched a different game tonight. Auburn has an offense focused on three point shots, Virginia does not. Virginia is an old school, ball penetration motion offense whose focus is on getting high percentage shots within the paint area.

Here's a hint. Do you remember another coach that slowed down the game, ran a disciplined offense, relied on 3's, retreated after shooting, used a unique defense , all out of necessity to counteract superior talent
 

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Here's a hint. Do you remember another coach that slowed down the game, ran a disciplined offense, relied on 3's, retreated after shooting, used a unique defense , all out of necessity to counteract superior talent

Here’s a hint, Virginia’s offense is not designed to rely on 3s . That’s the only point I am trying to make.
 

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Here’s a hint, Virginia’s offense is not designed to rely on 3s . That’s the only point I am trying to make.
I don't care about your opinion on UVA's 3 point strategy-the post had almost nothing to do about that so I would suggest you read it again and then think about what you were proposing
 

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re: double dribble.

Auburn was literally grabbing Jerome trying to take a foul, and Jerome lost the ball and double dribbled. Easy to watch a replay and see the double dribble, but very few noticed that live. As well as the jersey tug, many didn't see it live, but everyone can see the still shots with the Auburn player holding his jersey.

Refs messed up on both, they cancel each other out. Refs didn't take the game from Auburn, it was a stupid foul on the 3 pointer, and they missed a FT late.