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Those here saying Dawson was a good OC. Rewatch last season's Vanderbilt game ....
I'm not going to defend Dawson. First time OC, best league in the country, what you get is what you got. But if you really want to evaluate his coaching, I think you have to focus on early season games. By late season, the whole thing was imploding, the locker room was a dysfunctional mess. The best OC would look bad in that situation.
 
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Are all those comments about UK from the same person?

“I thought Shannon Dawson was really good and I’m surprised they made a change there, to be honest.”

vs

“They need to find a way to get Boom Williams more carries because I think he’s just a tremendous talent. I’m not sure why they don’t use him more..."

Doesn't the second comment call into question the first?
 

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Are all those comments about UK from the same person?

“I thought Shannon Dawson was really good and I’m surprised they made a change there, to be honest.”

vs

“They need to find a way to get Boom Williams more carries because I think he’s just a tremendous talent. I’m not sure why they don’t use him more..."

Doesn't the second comment call into question the first?
Nothing too see here....SHANNON DAWSON was one helluva of an OC!!!! He moved up too Southern Miss, after his stellar performance at UK!!!!
 

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We'll see. As long as it's not a Dawson lead towles offense I'm happy and keeping my tickets. I was just tired of the stoops slurp fest with towles acting as if he was the best man for the job when it was obvious well before the end of the season he wasn't. And I'm glad Dawson is also gone. One of the worst OC's I've ever seen. Never saw worst play calling in all my years of watching the sport, or one player get as much favoritism after sucking week in and week out like towles did. Considering it doesn't get worse than Dawson I expect at least minimal improvement with Gran.
Uh wrong, if I remember correctly, Curry's last year, Tim Couch freshman year...OC Ron now....his last name alludes me...someone save me!
 

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Eliot Uzelac (sp?). Ron Hudson was Brooks's first OC from Kansas St. Both were busts.
 
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We'll see. As long as it's not a Dawson lead towles offense I'm happy and keeping my tickets. I was just tired of the stoops slurp fest with towles acting as if he was the best man for the job when it was obvious well before the end of the season he wasn't. And I'm glad Dawson is also gone. One of the worst OC's I've ever seen. Never saw worst play calling in all my years of watching the sport, or one player get as much favoritism after sucking week in and week out like towles did. Considering it doesn't get worse than Dawson I expect at least minimal improvement with Gran.
Thank you. I was beginning to worry you might have the slightest interest as a fan for our football program.
 
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I'm not going to defend Dawson. First time OC, best league in the country, what you get is what you got. But if you really want to evaluate his coaching, I think you have to focus on early season games. By late season, the whole thing was imploding, the locker room was a dysfunctional mess. The best OC would look bad in that situation.
Yea. If we're gonna evaluate him. Focus on the beginning of the season. And see how much worse we got thru out the season. We regressed light years from day one to day done. As apposed to us improving thru out the year, we got much worse. Which is the true mark (pun intended) of a terrible coach.
 

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Yea. If we're gonna evaluate him. Focus on the beginning of the season. And see how much worse we got thru out the season. We regressed light years from day one to day done. As apposed to us improving thru out the year, we got much worse. Which is the true mark (pun intended) of a terrible coach.


The schedule got harder and the short roster began to come into play. Not to notice that and to lay it all on coaching is inexplicable for even the most avid coach hater.

Now Towles ability was overrated and his weaknesses were underrated by the offensive coordinator. I'll grant the coach critic, couch experts that much.
 
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I don't think Dawson was terrible, but he was in over his head, and I think he was the main reason for the locker room split. Stoops was never comfortable with him as OC, and that profoundly affected his ability to captain the ship. By all accounts, he is very comfortable with Gran/Hinshaw. We will win at least 8 games this year.
 
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I don't think Dawson was terrible, but he was in over his head, and I think he was the main reason for the locker room split. Stoops was never comfortable with him as OC, and that profoundly affected his ability to captain the ship. By all accounts, he is very comfortable with Gran/Hinshaw. We will win at least 8 games this year.
Like your optimism, I just don't share it, but I will be at every game this home and away
 
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My hunch is that Dawson was never really able to get to know his players and their strengths and weaknesses or if he did, he was just deficient in the way he went about utilizing them. AS others have pointed out, Towles had some pretty good wheels, and when you have a QB that is a threat to run, the defense has to play more honest - making everything else a bit easier. Dawson seemed to not want Patrick to carry the ball much. Yes the stats show he had a fair number of rushing yards but most of them where out of scrambles when the play broke down (or he bolted prematurely).

Another one is the O-line - we did not have the type of Oline that could give the QB a lot of time to let the deep routes develop, yet he seemed persistent in call a lot of those plays becasue the defenses kept showing man/over 8 in the box. It looks enticing when you see that formation, but they just didn't have all the horses to execute those plays.

He also didn't run too many screens or draws - plays that can slow down a pass rush. The inability to establish any sort of consistent running game to the inside even with the use of draws took away the play action. That makes it extremely difficult for even a talented QB.

In time I think Dawson will probably be successful but it does appear he was too much in a learning mode when he was here, and when things went sought he did not always have the capacity to make the correct adjustments.
 
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The schedule got harder and the short roster began to come into play. Not to notice that and to lay it all on coaching is inexplicable for even the most avid coach hater.

Now Towles ability was overrated and his weaknesses were underrated by the offensive coordinator. I'll grant the coach critic, couch experts that much.
Not to put any of it on the coach and to put all the of blame on the players as to why we lost to vandy (110% due to coaching) and didn't make an adjustments against Louisville (we didn't make any in game/halftime adjustments thru out the entire season) is just flat out inexplicable and a very stoops apologetic thing to say.
 
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Louisville lost 5 games. They had to hold off late 4th qtr drives against BC ( 17-14) and Wake Forest (20-19). They could have very well lost 7 games.

Not sure my post was that hard to follow.

That is not counting UK shitting the bed in the second half.
 

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Louisville lost 5 games. They had to hold off late 4th qtr drives against BC ( 17-14) and Wake Forest (20-19). They could have very well lost 7 games.

Not sure my post was that hard to follow.

That is not counting UK shitting the bed in the second half.
I guess this is directed to me. OK, I "get it" this time. [laughing]

UofL was not a good team last year. In the big picture they won the ones they were "supposed to" and lost the ones they were "supposed to", upsetting only NC State (UofL +3). They not only struggled on offense most of the year but the offense frequently put the defense in a bad spot.

BC scored their 14 points on a blocked punt and a 6 yard drive after a fumble while otherwise amassing 79 yards of total offense. WF hit 2 long bombs for scores (136 of their 266 total yards) but also picked up 5 points off a muffed punt and a safety. UK rolled to a big halftime lead on the strength of a pick 6 and a 13 yard drive after another pick.

But football is a game where, usually, the "best team wins"...even if it is ugly. UofL was favored by 7, 11 and 5 points respectively in those 3 games. Over the years I have seen lots of good teams leave CWS with an ugly win.

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Yea. If we're gonna evaluate him. Focus on the beginning of the season. And see how much worse we got thru out the season. We regressed light years from day one to day done. As apposed to us improving thru out the year, we got much worse. Which is the true mark (pun intended) of a terrible coach.
It's almost like you have something you want to say, and so you don't even read what you're responding to - you just say what you wanted to say anyway.....