I REITERATE ! TYRA DO NOT FIRE PETRINO YET

KerryRhodes

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Rub his nose in his own pile of excrement !

He wants his 14 million, he coaches every second of this pile of elephant **** :mad:

Beat Syracuse 62-28 in 2016
Beat Syracuse 56-10 in 2017

Now playing a walk on QB, because a 4 star QB, 3 years in your system is garbage :mad:

Keep Petrino for two more games :mad:
 
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GOCARDS6

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I announce he’s being fired at the end of the season and still make him coach the last 2 games
 

Thecycle27

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That was Tyra plan but the players are forcing the issue which making a bad situation worse. At this point it nothing would shock me. I think this whole situation has become so toxic it has forced Tyra's hand. The power of social media has accelerated the fall. Players, parents, former players, and fans have all weighed with 90 percent being negative. Tyra's first responsibility is to the kids and parents he has to make sure their wellbeing is being taken care of. That responsibility could force him to evaluate Petrino now instead of at the end of the year.
 

zipp_rivals

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You can reasonably start to read more into the situation if Tyra remains silent, continues to delay, etc...
 

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I’ve not been really keeping up with this soo, you really think Tyra’s gonna fire him Zipp? Why your change of heart?
 

zipp_rivals

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I’ve not been really keeping up with this soo, you really think Tyra’s gonna fire him Zipp? Why your change of heart?
Good questions... I think at this point Tyra will cave to pressure and popular opinion even if it's just from a vocal minority. He's a populist AD, so that would be a logical path. What it does, of course, is ratchet up his financial problems and paints himself deeper into that corner. In the end, my prediction is that will be his undoing--financial mismanagement and the other issues that creates--which is ironic considering his supposed "business credentials".

And I'm not really cheering for any outcome. Just watching a...

 
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I'd usually agree with the "vocal minority" Zipp, not this time. VT's business acumen may very well cost us a recruiting class or two, his favorite subject.
 

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Good questions... I think at this point Tyra will cave to pressure and popular opinion even if it's just from a vocal minority. He's a populist AD, so that would be a logical path. What it does, of course, is ratchet up his financial problems and paints himself deeper into that corner. In the end, my prediction is that will be his undoing--financial mismanagement and the other issues that creates--which is ironic considering his supposed "business credentials".

And I'm not really cheering for any outcome. Just watching a...

A “vocal minority”? Seriously? It’s not even worth discussing that one further.

As for the “financial problems" that Tyra faces, he inherited a great deal of that from the previous administration. Such as: 1) Jurich and Ramsey were adamant that the only arena location they would support was 2nd and Main, not 4 blocks further south, a decision that had a tremendous impact on the financial success of the arena and that rightly led the current UofL administration to kick in an extra $2.4 million a year; 2) The decision to over-expand the football stadium; 3) The lack of appropriate contract language that left doubt as to the ability of the administration to fire Pitino “for cause” even with four assistant coaches implicated in NCAA rules violations; 4) The unnecessary and unusual Petrino buyout that goes up for the next two years.

Sure sounds like you are rooting for a train wreck. Yes, the financial problems are serious, but as an alumni and supporter of UofL, I fully support Vince in his attempts to turn things around. If his basketball hire is any indication, as well as his ability to keep Walz and McDonnell and others, I think he’s on the right track.
 
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Meanwhile, Jeff Brohm's Boilermakers are gettin' lernt by a pretty mediocre Minnesota team. If Petrino fired/Brohm hired is a "done deal" like so many say they know it is, he better be the coach we all hope he is because the next hire is extremely important. We aren't going to just buy our way out of that one.

By the way, I don't think any of you "know" ****, lol, it's just your opinion. I said this before, some of you act like you eat pizza at Bonnie & Clyde's every Friday with the Brohms and you don't know a damn thing beyond what you read on message boards and having your own (while valid) opinion.
 

KerryRhodes

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Meanwhile, Jeff Brohm's Boilermakers are gettin' lernt by a pretty mediocre Minnesota team. If Petrino fired/Brohm hired is a "done deal" like so many say they know it is, he better be the coach we all hope he is because the next hire is extremely important. We aren't going to just buy our way out of that one.

By the way, I don't think any of you "know" ****, lol, it's just your opinion. I said this before, some of you act like you eat pizza at Bonnie & Clyde's every Friday with the Brohms and you don't know a damn thing beyond what you read on message boards and having your own (while valid) opinion.

So its okay for 15th year Petrino to have a bad year with so much talent,
while his own under study who could still make a bowl game, is in his 5th year
rebuilding Purdue.

Petrino is done. Getting beat by 50 or more 5 times in one season is
unacceptable.

If Brohm was coaching this years team, theyd be 6-2, pulling in 6 of the 7 four stars here in the Metro area.

Instead the Cards are a dumpster fire.

I dont care if Brohm makes a bowl or not. Sign him up now.
 

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Even if the ceiling and the floor are the exact same with Brohm - he’s better for UofL in the long run. Better guy - better family - better optics.

Those are the salient points that naysayers - looking at you Zipp - either don’t get or, don’t want to acknowledge.
 

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So its okay for 15th year Petrino to have a bad year with so much talent,
while his own under study who could still make a bowl game, is in his 5th year
rebuilding Purdue.

Where do you see any of that stated or implied in my post? The answer is no where.

FWIW, I've said all along that the season needs to play out, and well it is nearly done playing out.
 

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Good questions... I think at this point Tyra will cave to pressure and popular opinion even if it's just from a vocal minority. He's a populist AD, so that would be a logical path. What it does, of course, is ratchet up his financial problems and paints himself deeper into that corner. In the end, my prediction is that will be his undoing--financial mismanagement and the other issues that creates--which is ironic considering his supposed "business credentials".

And I'm not really cheering for any outcome. Just watching a...

Understood, while I don’t consistently follow the Cards I do snoop around enough that I think a lot of the basketball whoas have hit the football team. Think Petrino stopped taking a lot of the juco problem children he usually got because he was told not to and this is the outcome. Not slamming him at all he got those kids and you never heard a peep outta them afterwards but it made a big difference for U of L and I don’t think he’s had one in a couple years. Good luck to the Cards going forward even though it seems most of you have wrote him off I do hope Petrino can right the ship...
 
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Good questions... I think at this point Tyra will cave to pressure and popular opinion even if it's just from a vocal minority. He's a populist AD, so that would be a logical path. What it does, of course, is ratchet up his financial problems and paints himself deeper into that corner. In the end, my prediction is that will be his undoing--financial mismanagement and the other issues that creates--which is ironic considering his supposed "business credentials".

And I'm not really cheering for any outcome. Just watching a...



What exactly has Tyra done wrong in this situation? He isn't the reason that Petrino is failing nor is he the reason that the fans want Petrino gone. He could go the Jurich/Krags route and defend Petrino to the fans but that would change nothing. There is no vocal minority. The majority of the fans either want Petrino's head or they just no longer care. If Tyra chooses to keep Petrino it will be a long offseason and Petrino better win big next year.

I'm actually curious about what you think Jurich would do differently. For anyone that cares about wins Petrino has to go.
 

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Understood, while I don’t consistently follow the Cards I do snoop around enough that I think a lot of the basketball whoas have hit the football team. Think Petrino stopped taking a lot of the juco problem children he usually got because he was told not to and this is the outcome. Not slamming him at all he got those kids and you never heard a peep outta them afterwards but it made a big difference for U of L and I don’t think he’s had one in a couple years. Good luck to the Cards going forward even though it seems most of you have wrote him off I do hope Petrino can right the ship...

How many Juco's have been successful for us. Petrino recruited the number of jucos he did because he and his staff are garbage recruiters.
 

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A “vocal minority”? Seriously? It’s not even worth discussing that one further.

As for the “financial problems" that Tyra faces, he inherited a great deal of that from the previous administration. Such as: 1) Jurich and Ramsey were adamant that the only arena location they would support was 2nd and Main, not 4 blocks further south, a decision that had a tremendous impact on the financial success of the arena and that rightly led the current UofL administration to kick in an extra $2.4 million a year; 2) The decision to over-expand the football stadium; 3) The lack of appropriate contract language that left doubt as to the ability of the administration to fire Pitino “for cause” even with four assistant coaches implicated in NCAA rules violations; 4) The unnecessary and unusual Petrino buyout that goes up for the next two years.

Sure sounds like you are rooting for a train wreck. Yes, the financial problems are serious, but as an alumni and supporter of UofL, I fully support Vince in his attempts to turn things around. If his basketball hire is any indication, as well as his ability to keep Walz and McDonnell and others, I think he’s on the right track.
The ULAA was in great shape financially when Jurich was defrocked. It's been on a nosedive since. That red bar at the right is Tyra's, and the next one's trending worse (2019)...


And donors have disappeared and attendance is down across the board. It's still a little early, but Tyra's failing about every way an AD can fail...
 
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Even if the ceiling and the floor are the exact same with Brohm - he’s better for UofL in the long run. Better guy - better family - better optics.

Those are the salient points that naysayers - looking at you Zipp - either don’t get or, don’t want to acknowledge.
I'll just keep saying it until it sinks in... Test driving this car is costing you $18 million. Tyra's already managing U of L athletics into a hole WITHOUT that help...
 
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I'll just keep saying it until it sinks in... Test driving this car is costing you $18 million. Tyra's already managing U of L athletics into a hole WITHOUT that help...


Also dont forget brohm has a loan from purdue for his buyout at western that needs to be paid off.
 

zipp_rivals

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What exactly has Tyra done wrong in this situation? He isn't the reason that Petrino is failing nor is he the reason that the fans want Petrino gone. He could go the Jurich/Krags route and defend Petrino to the fans but that would change nothing. There is no vocal minority. The majority of the fans either want Petrino's head or they just no longer care. If Tyra chooses to keep Petrino it will be a long offseason and Petrino better win big next year.

I'm actually curious about what you think Jurich would do differently. For anyone that cares about wins Petrino has to go.
I said even IF it was a vocal minority. I'm not polling fans.

Tyra has made his own bed in a very short time. He's tried to disassociate his department as much as possible from the prior regime, and most of the fans, donors, and money went out the door as well. He said "it isn't about one guy," but his performance so far has proven it is. And he's stubbornly sticking to his guns and spending millions of dollars that he can't replace. Tyra's the AD equivalent of the neighbor who loses his job and goes right on living like nothing's changed.

Jurich would have had to deal with Petrino as well. As painful as it would have been financially, there was plenty of money to cover his buyout. Jurich was tight enough with Petrino to potentially minimize that impact, and unlike Tyra, Jurich knew how to raise money from donors to cover most or all of it.

This financial mess was made by Tyra and his superiors. Football problems are simply that much worse because of them...
 

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Hard to argue the firing or the handling of Jurich wasn't a huge mistake, but that was beyond Tyra's control. Once that process was botched Tyra agreed to the mess and getting it right. At no point did anyone believe the football program would perform like thIs. I am not sure I have ever seen a quality coach lose a team faster and more completely than this. No one, including Tyra, saw this coming. Now it boils down to how move forward. I am not sold on any coach outside of Nick Saban or Dabo Swinney. Any coach brought in is going to struggle. Who can build the program? The financial reality maybe Louisville has to go the 3 million route to find a coach. I am not sure they can swing the 4-5 million it is going to take to get Brohm.
 

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How many Juco's have been successful for us. Petrino recruited the number of jucos he did because he and his staff are garbage recruiters.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.al.com/articles/13335320/bobby_petrino_welcomes_sec_tra.amp

I apologize should have done a little more research but I knew he was getting transfers, so it wasn’t just juco guys, my bad. Far be for me to try and lecture you guys about holding on to a coach, many years Bama suffered from bad coaching and mismanagement and it sucks no doubt, just saying be careful what you wish for. Petrino just didn’t forget how to coach and losing recruits is as much on your AD as it is your coach, at some point he’s got to publicly back him whether he plans to truly keep him or not. As of right now all these kids see is a lame duck coaching staff and a program full of uncertainty, its past time for some damage control from the administration.
 

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Even if the ceiling and the floor are the exact same with Brohm - he’s better for UofL in the long run. Better guy - better family - better optics.

Those are the salient points that naysayers - looking at you Zipp - either don’t get or, don’t want to acknowledge.
Look if you haven’t figured it out, zipp just loves the debate, not so much the outcome. Whatever POV a poster takes, he will take extremes to prove the earth is flat...
 

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https://www.google.com/amp/www.al.com/articles/13335320/bobby_petrino_welcomes_sec_tra.amp
https://www.google.com/amp/www.al.com/articles/13335320/bobby_petrino_welcomes_sec_tra.amp

I apologize should have done a little more research but I knew he was getting transfers, so it wasn’t just juco guys, my bad. Far be for me to try and lecture you guys about holding on to a coach, many years Bama suffered from bad coaching and mismanagement and it sucks no doubt, just saying be careful what you wish for. Petrino just didn’t forget how to coach and losing recruits is as much on your AD as it is your coach, at some point he’s got to publicly back him whether he plans to truly keep him or not. As of right now all these kids see is a lame duck coaching staff and a program full of uncertainty, its past time for some damage control from the administration.

Petrino's recruiting has been suspect for several seasons. Had nothing to do with AD supporting him or not.
 

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Look if you haven’t figured it out, zipp just loves the debate, not so much the outcome. Whatever POV a poster takes, he will take extremes to prove the earth is flat...
It's not quite that simple, but you're at least more right than wrong.

The explanation betters distills down to the extremes are never right...
 

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The ULAA was in great shape financially when Jurich was defrocked. It's been on a nosedive since. That red bar at the right is Tyra's, and the next one's trending worse (2019)...


And donors have disappeared and attendance is down across the board. It's still a little early, but Tyra's failing about every way an AD can fail...

Thanks for the chart Zipp. Much of what has affected the 2018 red line may be things beyond Tyra’s control. In order for us to be able to better judge Tyra’s impact on the finances, perhaps you could provide a little more context as to whether or not the following items affected the amount there?

(1) The extra $2.4 million UofL athletics now pays for the downtown arena. (Again, the 2nd and Main arena location was essentially demanded by Ramsey and Jurich instead of the much more financially sensible location a few blocks further south, and as the primary tenant and beneficiary of the arena, the UofL Board decided it would be prudent to cough up some of the extra cost related to the Main Street. location. Difficut to say that Tyra is responsible for that extra cost.)
(2) The $7 million cost of the Jurich settlement. (Tyra had no responsibility for this.)
(3) Refund of NCAA basketball tournament revenue due to the stripper scandal. (Tyra had no role in what led to this.)
(4) Legal fees involved in the NCAA investigation. (Again, Tyra had no role in what led to this.)
(5) Loss of revenue due to decreased basketball attendance as a result of “scandal fatigue”. (Once again, Tyra had no role in causing this.) The average attendance for the first five years at the downtown arena was consistently just under 21,000. The attendance started slipping noticeably in the 2015-16 season (when the stripper scandal surfaced), getting to a low last season of just under 17,000 per game. At a cost of $50 per ticket for roughly 20 games, that’s $4 million a year.
(6) The decision to end the subsidy by the University to the athletic department for the LG&E costs associated with the football stadium. (Admittedly, that was a pretty slick deal on Jurich’s part to get the University to do that, but I think it's hard to defend that as an appropriate arrangement. I’m not sure what Tyra’s role might have been in ending that subsidy, but I agree with the decision, even with the impact on the athletic department.)
(7) The University decision to cut the student subsidy of the athletic department in half. (Again, a slick deal for the athletic department in terms of it’s own finances, but probably not fair for students who are targeted with ever-increasing tuition.)

Zipp, it is clear that you are right about major donations and that they have not been coming in since Jurich’s departure. From where I sit, Tyra deserves a little more time to see if he and President Bendapudi can turn that around. Hopefully, those who have supported UofL in the past will see fit to continue to support the University in the future. Perhaps securing a coach like Jeff Brohm will re-energize some donors.
 

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Thanks for the chart Zipp. Much of what has affected the 2018 red line may be things beyond Tyra’s control. In order for us to be able to better judge Tyra’s impact on the finances, perhaps you could provide a little more context as to whether or not the following items affected the amount there?...
I'll address your questions as best I can below and within your post. The net position number is rolled up from all of the revenue and cost changes that occur annually. Also keep in mind that Tyra has thus far just quoted this number for 2018; the full financial report hasn't been issued...

(1) The extra $2.4 million UofL athletics now pays for the downtown arena. (Again, the 2nd and Main arena location was essentially demanded by Ramsey and Jurich instead of the much more financially sensible location a few blocks further south, and as the primary tenant and beneficiary of the arena, the UofL Board decided it would be prudent to cough up some of the extra cost related to the Main Street. location. Difficut to say that Tyra is responsible for that extra cost.) This is baked in, but it was Tyra's superiors who made the rent decision. If you wanna spread the blame, I'm fine with that.
(2) The $7 million cost of the Jurich settlement. (Tyra had no responsibility for this.) $4 million of that was in cash IIRC. That's also baked into the number.
(3) Refund of NCAA basketball tournament revenue due to the stripper scandal. (Tyra had no role in what led to this.) I believe that was only $600K, and I don't know if it's been paid.
(4) Legal fees involved in the NCAA investigation. (Again, Tyra had no role in what led to this.) No idea what that amounts to, but it hasn't been mentioned as a significant cost.
(5) Loss of revenue due to decreased basketball attendance as a result of “scandal fatigue”. (Once again, Tyra had no role in causing this.) The average attendance for the first five years at the downtown arena was consistently just under 21,000. The attendance started slipping noticeably in the 2015-16 season (when the stripper scandal surfaced), getting to a low last season of just under 17,000 per game. At a cost of $50 per ticket for roughly 20 games, that’s $4 million a year. Impossible to quantify that, but I'd just as aggressively argue the attendance decline is a no-confidence statement on new management. Attendance at athletic events has been down across the board. IMO Tyra and U of L own that effect.
(6) The decision to end the subsidy by the University to the athletic department for the LG&E costs associated with the football stadium. (Admittedly, that was a pretty slick deal on Jurich’s part to get the University to do that, but I think it's hard to defend that as an appropriate arrangement. I’m not sure what Tyra’s role might have been in ending that subsidy, but I agree with the decision, even with the impact on the athletic department.) No idea, but that's raiding athletics to benefit academics. Does the university get $30 million annually in revenue for student-athlete scholarships? It's Tyra's job to defend his accounting.
(7) The University decision to cut the student subsidy of the athletic department in half. (Again, a slick deal for the athletic department in terms of it’s own finances, but probably not fair for students who are targeted with ever-increasing tuition.) Ditto.

Zipp, it is clear that you are right about major donations and that they have not been coming in since Jurich’s departure. From where I sit, Tyra deserves a little more time to see if he and President Bendapudi can turn that around. Hopefully, those who have supported UofL in the past will see fit to continue to support the University in the future. Perhaps securing a coach like Jeff Brohm will re-energize some donors.

If we're equitably debiting and crediting for items that were outside of Tyra's control, you may wanna deduct the $6 million in "marketing" revenue that was incremental from the prior year (FY2017), my understanding of which was the adidas contract increase. That wasn't anything Tyra made happen.