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WVPATX

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is becoming the candidate to beat. He is the best debater (along with Cruz) in the field. He is young, charismatic and very talented. As other establishment Republicans drop out, he will likely be the beneficiary.

I don't think Hillary can beat him. If he gets the same percentage of the Hispanic vote as W, he wins going away.
 
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WVPATX said:
is becoming the candidate to beat. He is the best debater (along with Cruz) in the field. He is young, charismatic and very talented. As other establishment Republicans drop out, he will likely be the beneficiary.

I don't think Hillary can beat him. If he gets the same percentage of the Hispanic vote as W, he wins going away.
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Someone has to start dropping out right? I can't take watching a debate with 5+ candidates.
 
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rog1187 said:
Someone has to start dropping out right? I can't take watching a debate with 5+ candidates.
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I agree. I think Kasich and Bush are toast, not to mention everyone not named Trump, Carson, Rubio, Cruz and possibly Christie.
 
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Kashich was boring last night, Fiorina (sp?) is losing traction, & Rand Paul is just irritating to me. Need to scratch those 3 off of the list.

Someone must have coached up Trump because he tempered his comments quite a bit. I still wouldn't want to vote for him unless the alternative is Hillary.
 
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WVPATX said:
is becoming the candidate to beat. He is the best debater (along with Cruz) in the field. He is young, charismatic and very talented. As other establishment Republicans drop out, he will likely be the beneficiary.

I don't think Hillary can beat him. If he gets the same percentage of the Hispanic vote as W, he wins going away.
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Going away? W won 44% of the Hispanic vote in 2004 and he still only won 50.7 to 48.3 in the popular vote and 286-251 in the electoral vote. And 2016 the Hispanic vote will be a larger percentage of the vote than in 2004.

We are in middle of a stretch that will last a third of a century if not more where no Republican will win POTUS "going away." The last time a Republican won POTUS "going away" WVU had never won 10 games in a season in football. If the GOP wins in 2016 it'll be by a small margin.
 
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Going away? W won 44% of the Hispanic vote in 2004 and he still only won 50.7 to 48.3 in the popular vote and 286-251 in the electoral vote. And 2016 the Hispanic vote will be a larger percentage of the vote than in 2004.

We are in middle of a stretch that will last a third of a century if not more where no Republican will win POTUS "going away." The last time a Republican won POTUS "going away" WVU had never won 10 games in a season in football. If the GOP wins in 2016 it'll be by a small margin.
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Hillary is an exceedingly weak candidate. She's a liar and a felon. Americans simply don't trust her. You're mistake is believing that nothing changes. Hearts and minds don't change. Blacks and Hispanics will forever provide Dems cover.

The problem with that is that changes do happen. Blacks are exceedingly poorly served by Dems. By almost every measure, Blacks are worse off today than in 1965. Poverty, single families, crime, drug use, incarceration are all higher.

Hispanics are very socially conservative. Hispanics also want jobs. Just as Reagan changed the minds of many Dems (Reagan Democrats), Rubio has that same opportunity.

Other constituencies have similar issues. Will unions support Dems that want to destroy energy jobs? Will unions support Dems that want to tax their health care policies and a President pushing "free trade"? Will unions support Dems that want to import cheap labor? Will Blacks, for that matter, want new, cheap labor to compete with them for jobs?

What a party is made up of so many constituencies that may have competing goals and ambitions, fractions are inevitable.
 
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I hope Rubio wins. Hillary will mop the floor with him (and again, I'm not a Hillary fan). Rubio is too far right to win the general election.
 
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I hope Rubio wins. Hillary will mop the floor with him (and again, I'm not a Hillary fan). Rubio is too far right to win the general election.
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Lmao. And Hillary and Bernie are mainstream. He has one quality that neither Dem possesses, he's likable. Americans will not elect someone they neither like nor trust.
 
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Kasich is making a great point that many in the GOP are not listening to.

Go into the Spring and Summer with some of the talking points Trump and Cruz are throwing around, especially immigration, and they will hand the election to whatever Democrat is put up (assuming Hillary doesn't wind up in legal trouble with the FBI, it will be her as the Democrats have ZERO options or imagination). Forget Ohio... Forget VA.... Forget FL...
 
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Mntneer said:
Kasich is making a great point that many in the GOP are not listening to.

Go into the Spring and Summer with some of the talking points Trump and Cruz are throwing around, especially immigration, and they will hand the election to whatever Democrat is put up (assuming Hillary doesn't wind up in legal trouble with the FBI, it will be her as the Democrats have ZERO options or imagination). Forget Ohio... Forget VA.... Forget FL...
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You likely don't know this, but Cruz got 40% of the Hispanic vote during his last election while campaigning for very strict immigration enforcement. And Rubio won 55% of the Hispanic vote in Florida.
 
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WVPATX said:
is becoming the candidate to beat. He is the best debater (along with Cruz) in the field. He is young, charismatic and very talented. As other establishment Republicans drop out, he will likely be the beneficiary.

I don't think Hillary can beat him. If he gets the same percentage of the Hispanic vote as W, he wins going away.
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Rubio has 12% of the vote. The primary is basically over on March 1. He doesn't have much time to make up ground.
 
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You likely don't know this, but Cruz got 40% of the Hispanic vote during his last election while campaigning for very strict immigration enforcement. And Rubio won 55% of the Hispanic vote in Florida.
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Neither of those two have a snowball's chance in hell of winning the general election.
 
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It is getting close to T'giving for those who KNEW that Trump would be long gone by T'giving. Who is leading the polls? Don't you think it is time to get a new crystal ball? Your ability to prognosticate really sucks.
 
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It is getting close to T'giving for those who KNEW that Trump would be long gone by T'giving. Who is leading the polls? Don't you think it is time to get a new crystal ball? Your ability to prognosticate really sucks.
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I think Trump is slowly losing steam. I didn't watch the debate the other night, but did catch the tail end of it, but it appeared to me Trump was very laid back and just continued on with the same rhetoric.
 
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Mntneer said:
I think Trump is slowly losing steam. I didn't watch the debate the other night, but did catch the tail end of it, but it appeared to me Trump was very laid back and just continued on with the same rhetoric.
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He is making his talking points without being too aggressive. handlers? or assistance told him to tone it down. Winner of the debate declared to be Trump as of this AM. Obviously he and black fellow have pretty solid backing at their current level. Will be more telling who receives the support of those who drop out. But it is possible that they are a bit stubborn and never drop out. And the two leaders margin will remain the same and keep lead.
 
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mneilmont said:
He is making his talking points without being too aggressive. handlers? or assistance told him to tone it down. Winner of the debate declared to be Trump as of this AM. Obviously he and black fellow have pretty solid backing at their current level. Will be more telling who receives the support of those who drop out. But it is possible that they are a bit stubborn and never drop out. And the two leaders margin will remain the same and keep lead.
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And then he, Trump, goes on a 95 minute tirade against Ben Carson while on the campaign trail. The guy is a coward. He knows that there's no margin in standing on the same stage with Carson and speaking ill of him. He waits until Carson isn't there. Mark my words, at the next debate Trump will not go at Carson head on. If asked about the comments he made about Carson, he'll likely deny them ... and he'll chalk the question up to the media being combative.

This is unrelated, but I heard someone point out that if Trump had invested his money into an index fund instead of real estate, he would have made more money than he has in real estate. I have yet to see the math on that to know if it's true, but it's an interesting point if true.
 
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And then he, Trump, goes on a 95 minute tirade against Ben Carson while on the campaign trail. The guy is a coward. He knows that there's no margin in standing on the same stage with Carson and speaking ill of him. He waits until Carson isn't there. Mark my words, at the next debate Trump will not go at Carson head on. If asked about the comments he made about Carson, he'll likely deny them ... and he'll chalk the question up to the media being combative.

This is unrelated, but I heard someone point out that if Trump had invested his money into an index fund instead of real estate, he would have made more money than he has in real estate. I have yet to see the math on that to know if it's true, but it's an interesting point if true.
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I don't think anyone really bit anyone else in the *** too hard. Why would you expect Trump to jump in and make the balance of the debate about Carson who said he would not engage in the mud slinging. It would be a losing strategy on Trumps part. But when he gets in a crowd of his followers, Trump is going to appeal to himself. It is called politics.

The other item is a bit strange from you. Trump's expertise lies in real estate, and you are suggesting that he should have invested in something he is less versed in? Don't you find it strange that such deviation would be less than smart? Of course, your source has the power of after-thought. Trump made his investments in real time.
 
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Lmao. And Hillary and Bernie are mainstream. He has one quality that neither Dem possesses, he's likable. Americans will not elect someone they neither like nor trust.
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If my eyes don't deceive me you just wrote that Americans like and trust Obama.
 
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Op2 said:
If my eyes don't deceive me you just wrote that Americans like and trust Obama.
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I think that's true. Obama is very likable. And Americans overlooked his many, many lies. But his lies pale in comparison to Hillary's.
 
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