Identity

[jflores]

So this is a question for the group. It seems to me that most folks associate Frost with the 90's obviously, and perhaps a return to ground and pound football.

He does run more than Riley, but he's not a particularly power oriented offense. Would folks be happy with the Oregon offense in Lincoln? Can that be the identity?

Or is the expectation that for Frost to fulfill expectations, he's going to have to morph into more of an Osborne style offense combined with his current system?

Frost doesn't use a lot of heavy formations and lead blockers on third and fourth and short, he plays mostly a speed/spacing/finesse game and operates out of the gun alot.

Is that acceptable to Run the Ball guy? I like what I see out of Frost's offense (basically the Oregon O), but I'm just kinda curious if folks think they are buying one thing, but will actually be getting another.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

So this is a question for the group. It seems to me that most folks associate Frost with the 90's obviously, and perhaps a return to ground and pound football.

He does run more than Riley, but he's not a particularly power oriented offense. Would folks be happy with the Oregon offense in Lincoln? Can that be the identity?

Or is the expectation that for Frost to fulfill expectations, he's going to have to morph into more of an Osborne style offense combined with his current system?

Frost doesn't use a lot of heavy formations and lead blockers on third and fourth and short, he plays mostly a speed/spacing/finesse game and operates out of the gun alot.

Is that acceptable to Run the Ball guy? I like what I see out of Frost's offense (basically the Oregon O), but I'm just kinda curious if folks think they are buying one thing, but will actually be getting another.

My opinion is that Nebraska fans like system oriented offenses. One where they believe the coaches can recruit guys who don’t have to be as talented as others but can be developed into something more and taught to do a specific task or assignment. They want an offense where local kids can come in and play and high school coaches can also run.

I think all the you can’t win throwing at Nebraska talk, is based on the fact that it hasn’t won consistently here. Not necessarily because it actually can’t be done.

Lastly they want someone who is tied to the program and who understands and embraces the past.

I do believe there would be some that don’t want the Oregon offense run here because it isn’t power but will give it more “time” because it does have an identity

 

[Foosball is the devil]

TO went after speed hard after the Florida team losses and was sucessful getting it. Frost's hybrid is built on that too. It's very exciting to think of him as our coach, young, respected and I believe could recruit his needs well. Plus he's from Wood freakin River. He gets it.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

TO went after speed hard after the Florida team losses and was sucessful getting it. Frost's hybrid is built on that too. It's very exciting to think of him as our coach, young, respected and I believe could recruit his needs well. Plus he's from Wood freakin River. He gets it.

I don’t think Frost’s current offense is a hybrid. It is very very close to Chip Kelly offense. What he may do in the future with it is yet to be determined.

I think that will be an issue with a Frost hire, as JFlores asked, is there a preconceived notion that Frost will change what he does because he is tied to the past.

 

[cubsker_rivals142943]

do whatever you want if it works.

 

[Buicklife]

I prefer effectiveness over identity. To be effective in this conference you need to be able to run the ball in some manner.

 

[jflores]

I don’t think Frost’s current offense is a hybrid. It is very very close to Chip Kelly offense. What he may do in the future with it is yet to be determined.

I think that will be an issue with a Frost hire, as JFlores asked, is there a preconceived notion that Frost will change what he does because he is tied to the past.

Yah basically.

I think its more likely they take "All Gas and No Brakes" from the D-line and apply it to the team. (I can't think of any catchy "UCFast" monikers for us right now).

I think most opponent interviews will revolve around having had to chase us around the grass, than talking about how beat up they were playing us.

 

[WHCSC]

So this is a question for the group. It seems to me that most folks associate Frost with the 90's obviously, and perhaps a return to ground and pound football.

He does run more than Riley, but he's not a particularly power oriented offense. Would folks be happy with the Oregon offense in Lincoln? Can that be the identity?

Or is the expectation that for Frost to fulfill expectations, he's going to have to morph into more of an Osborne style offense combined with his current system?

Frost doesn't use a lot of heavy formations and lead blockers on third and fourth and short, he plays mostly a speed/spacing/finesse game and operates out of the gun alot.

Is that acceptable to Run the Ball guy? I like what I see out of Frost's offense (basically the Oregon O), but I'm just kinda curious if folks think they are buying one thing, but will actually be getting another.

I don't really care what offense is used (I'd prefer a power run game) as long as there is a very stout defense to go with it.

 

[coachDubs]

Cletus Husker fan would lose their ****...

 

[jflores]

Cletus Husker fan would lose their ****...

Kinda hard to imagine Harbaugh would hire a DC who plays a DB 12 yards off the receiver on 4th and 2.

 

[OneBadHuskerFan]

I don't give a rats *** what offense we run...if it works. Why are so many people adamant that we do it this way or that way. If it works then do it. If we can get the athletes we need to run an Oregon type offense then lets do it. Winning games is what matters. Seems like a lot of people would rather be a mediocre team as long as we have an "identity". F that. Let's just win some damn games! I'd rather our "identity" be "winners".

 

[jflores]

I don't give a rats *** what offense we run...if it works. Why are so many people adamant that we do it this way or that way. If it works then do it. If we can get the athletes we need to run an Oregon type offense then lets do it. Winning games is what matters. Seems like a lot of people would rather be a mediocre team as long as we have an "identity". F that. Let's just win some damn games! I'd rather our "identity" be "winners".

I agree.

But the thread that talked about Iowa's blood bath practices ran several pages. I assume people do care about the style of offense.

 

[nebcountry]

I like seeing the run in CFB, and coaches that know how to use a running QB. I would prefer that we have a RB coach that can actually recruit somebody.

As for the identity part, I guess it doesn't matter much to me.

 

[jflores]

I like seeing the run in CFB, and coaches that know how to use a running QB. I would prefer that we have a RB coach that can actually recruit somebody.

As for the identity part, I guess it doesn't matter much to me.

I personally feel like identity is oversold. Its basically only used to describe a couple of outlier smash mouth teams such as Nebraska back in the day and Wisconsin.

Or sometimes they'll define an identity as "get players in space and force the hardest situation in football". Well, 90% of football runs a spread now seemingly, so that's not much of a unique identity.

Or sometimes its code for "plays good defense" ala Bama or LSU.

I think its clearer for folks to describe how they want to win, than to cloak their desires in "identity". "I'd like the team to play attacking defense and run power".

 

[cecilB]

Frost/oregon offense would be fantastic, provided it was paired with a D that could avoid time sucking possessions by the opponent. There will be days where the usual suspects of OSU, Wisky, Iowa, MSU, Mich, and PsU(some years even minnesota/NW) make moving the ball a slog....many of these are at their best when they play keep away.

Some great Oregon teams were unfazed, some others were made to look much less potent in bowl matchups against an effective and contrasting philosphy

 

[jflores]

Frost/oregon offense would be fantastic, provided it was paired with a D that could avoid time sucking possessions by the opponent. There will be days where the usual suspects of OSU, Wisky, Iowa, MSU, Mich, and PsU(some years even minnesota/NW) make moving the ball a slog....many of these are at their best when they play keep away.

Some great Oregon teams were unfazed, some others were made to look much less potent in bowl matchups against an effective and contrasting philosphy

For years around here folks made fun of the "Basketball on grass" style of play, whether it was Oregon's more finesse spread or a WCO type of offense. Citing the weather and such why power was a necessity.

And of course the requisite good old days stories about Florida being fast, until we knocked them on their ***.

I was under the assumption there'd be similar concerns about Frost's offense in these weather conditions and facing teams like Wisconsin on a yearly basis.

 

[cecilB]

For years around here folks made fun of the "Basketball on grass" style of play, whether it was Oregon's more finesse spread or a WCO type of offense. Citing the weather and such why power was a necessity.

And of course the requisite good old days stories about Florida being fast, until we knocked them on their ***.

I was under the assumption there'd be similar concerns about Frost's offense in these weather conditions and facing teams like Wisconsin on a yearly basis.

i agree. I think it is a concern unless paired with a salty, salty D

 

[huskerfan1414]

I agree.

But the thread that talked about Iowa's blood bath practices ran several pages. I assume people do care about the style of offense.

You can have a bloodbath in any type of offense as they all include blocking.
You can be big and nasty in any scheme.
The problem is most passing teams are not such.
Any offense can work if properly coached and executed.
But in any offense there are situations when it makes more sense to run than to throw. Frost has proven that his offense can run it and be effective.

 

[grayhairedfreak]

Another part of the frustration is the disconnect between what Riley has said he wants to be and what Langsdorf actually calls.

 

[jflores]

You can have a bloodbath in any type of offense as they all include blocking.
You can be big and nasty in any scheme.
The problem is most passing teams are not such.
Any offense can work if properly coached and executed.
But in any offense there are situations when it makes more sense to run than to throw. Frost has proven that his offense can run it and be effective.

Frost runs the ball more than Riley but has identified the same prime weakness everyone else notes about the Oregon offense...its not very physical.

 

[Archie Graham]

So this is a question for the group. It seems to me that most folks associate Frost with the 90's obviously, and perhaps a return to ground and pound football.

He does run more than Riley, but he's not a particularly power oriented offense. Would folks be happy with the Oregon offense in Lincoln? Can that be the identity?

Or is the expectation that for Frost to fulfill expectations, he's going to have to morph into more of an Osborne style offense combined with his current system?

Frost doesn't use a lot of heavy formations and lead blockers on third and fourth and short, he plays mostly a speed/spacing/finesse game and operates out of the gun alot.

Is that acceptable to Run the Ball guy? I like what I see out of Frost's offense (basically the Oregon O), but I'm just kinda curious if folks think they are buying one thing, but will actually be getting another.

Langs runs more on first down than Frost to date this season. FYI.

 

[huskerfan1414]

Frost runs the ball more than Riley but has identified the same prime weakness everyone else notes about the Oregon offense...its not very physical.

I really haven't looked into the identifying of it not being physical. Could you please elaborate? You mean style or the way his players actually play it, etc?

 

[jflores]

Langs runs more on first down than Forst to date this season. FYI.

Yah but Frost runs more overall. By a few percent.

 

[jflores]

I really haven't looked into the identifying of it not being physical. Could you please elaborate? You mean style or the way his players actually play it, etc?

In his words...

“The big thing is this: It helps greatly when an offense has a definite mentality to it. It helps greatly when you have a defined personality and set of standards. When I was at Nebraska, our calling card was we were a tough, physical team. Everybody knew it. We knew it. We were proud of it. We embodied it. We embraced it. We loved the fact that we were going to try to completely beat up a defense. Nobody wanted to play us because of the physical nature of our team.

At Oregon, to a man, everybody on our team has bought into the fact that we’re going to play fast, we’re going to wear you out, and we’re going to attack you. There’s absolutely no hesitation. I think when you have that kind of personality as a unit, offense or defense, and everybody knows the common goal and mission, then I think it’s really easy to get everybody on the same page and be successful. When people don’t know exactly what they want to do, they struggle.

The one thing I wish we could do at Oregon is be a little more physical. I don’t think that’s a secret. I think everybody on our staff wishes we could be a little more physical on offense. That’s what Nebraska’s calling card was. If we could play fast and physical, I don’t think there’s anybody in the country who could stop us.”

This would lead me to believe that playing fast is so central to the mentality, that they are not spending loads of time in practice buildings feats of strength and cleaning up after blood baths.

 

[NorthWillRiseAgain]

I just like the winning identity, the other chips just fall where they may.

Any style is winnable anywhere in the right circumstance.

 

[WHCSC]

I like seeing the run in CFB, and coaches that know how to use a running QB. I would prefer that we have a RB coach that can actually recruit somebody.

As for the identity part, I guess it doesn't matter much to me.

Tom Rathman's not doing anything

 

[Toms Wife]

Playing fast and physical needs to be our identity. If you don't have the people who have sheer brute force, if you play fast enough, their tails will be wagging and it becomes exponentially easier to kick the feces out of them. That is what Frost is after.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

I don't really care what offense we run as long as it produces points and wins. Also, it would be nice if our OC actually knew the down and distance when deciding what play to run.

 

[daddy mack]

So this is a question for the group. It seems to me that most folks associate Frost with the 90's obviously, and perhaps a return to ground and pound football.

He does run more than Riley, but he's not a particularly power oriented offense. Would folks be happy with the Oregon offense in Lincoln? Can that be the identity?

Or is the expectation that for Frost to fulfill expectations, he's going to have to morph into more of an Osborne style offense combined with his current system?

Frost doesn't use a lot of heavy formations and lead blockers on third and fourth and short, he plays mostly a speed/spacing/finesse game and operates out of the gun alot.

Is that acceptable to Run the Ball guy? I like what I see out of Frost's offense (basically the Oregon O), but I'm just kinda curious if folks think they are buying one thing, but will actually be getting another.

TCU offense is what I would prefer with KW as wideouts coachand receivers that can actually run routes it would be Ideal in Lincoln plus they still have the Big time running threats

 

[Redblood23]

I hate the spread but it is the ultimate equalizer like the triple option . Makes bad teams look good until they meet superior talent.

 

[Archie Graham]

Yah but Frost runs more overall. By a few percent.

In short, the RTDB guy is going to be frustrated with Frost.

 

[cubsker_rivals142943]

I agree.

But the thread that talked about Iowa's blood bath practices ran several pages. I assume people do care about the style of offense.

no, they care about toughness. we need toughness no matter what offense we run.

 

[otismotis08]

Oz-bone.

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

no, they care about toughness. we need toughness no matter what offense we run.

Well, that is what I want. More physicality.
And you can get that in a lot of different offensive styles

 

[jflores]

no, they care about toughness. we need toughness no matter what offense we run.

If Chip Kelly brought his offense here for $6 million a year, do you think we'd be a tough, physical football team? Those are not the descriptors anyone has used over the years for a Chip Kelly team IMO.

If the answer is no...does the answer change if Frost brings essentially the same offense?

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

If Chip Kelly brought his offense here for $6 million a year, do you think we'd be a tough, physical football team? Those are not the descriptors anyone has used over the years for a Chip Kelly team IMO.

If the answer is no...does the answer change if Frost brings essentially the same offense?

If Frost can't or won't install a physical and imposing form of play then I don't want him

 

[bshirt73]

If Frost can't or won't install a physical and imposing form of play then I don't want him

Exactly.

Above all else we need a physical smash-mouth OLine (including TEs) "and" a coach that knows how to use them.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

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If Frost can't or won't install a physical and imposing form of play then I don't want him

Watch an Oregon game when Frost was the OC, watch a UCF game now. There are some physical aspects to it, but by no means is it an imposing form of play.

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

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Watch an Oregon game when Frost was the OC, watch a UCF game now. There are some physical aspects to it, but by no means is it an imposing form of play.

Agreed. Which is why I am intrigued by Frost, but not sold on him. On the other hand, my desire for us to be more physical might just be ******** nonsense. Maybe you don't need to be imposing so long as you are fast, fast, fast, with loads of athletes stretching the field. Riley's offense, so far, is neither imposing or fast

 

[huskerfan1414]

In his words...

“The big thing is this: It helps greatly when an offense has a definite mentality to it. It helps greatly when you have a defined personality and set of standards. When I was at Nebraska, our calling card was we were a tough, physical team. Everybody knew it. We knew it. We were proud of it. We embodied it. We embraced it. We loved the fact that we were going to try to completely beat up a defense. Nobody wanted to play us because of the physical nature of our team.

At Oregon, to a man, everybody on our team has bought into the fact that we’re going to play fast, we’re going to wear you out, and we’re going to attack you. There’s absolutely no hesitation. I think when you have that kind of personality as a unit, offense or defense, and everybody knows the common goal and mission, then I think it’s really easy to get everybody on the same page and be successful. When people don’t know exactly what they want to do, they struggle.

The one thing I wish we could do at Oregon is be a little more physical. I don’t think that’s a secret. I think everybody on our staff wishes we could be a little more physical on offense. That’s what Nebraska’s calling card was. If we could play fast and physical, I don’t think there’s anybody in the country who could stop us.”

This would lead me to believe that playing fast is so central to the mentality, that they are not spending loads of time in practice buildings feats of strength and cleaning up after blood baths.

Doesn't it also say he wishes they were more physical? And this is when he was an assistant at Oregon.
Look I'm not trying to argue I just think it takes a little more evidence than him wishing Oregon played more physical. Wouldn't that indicate he prefers some physical football?