If a UK player was to take a knee during the National Anthem...

Saguaro Cat

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I'll be mad because it'll mean a bunch of stupid posts on this board (more so). But honestly I won't care.

I don't think it's disrespectful. Some people do, some people don't. All forms of protests will piss of someone. Everyone should just let it go already and stop looking for reasons to be outraged.
 

TotesMcGotes

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Im active duty. 12 years and counting. Im not bothered by it. If anyone tries to make this about military they are making an attempt at distracting ppl from the issue at hand. Which i agree is a problem. The institutional and systematic oppression of non whites in america.

People should be able to think for themselves and i applaud them for doing so and not giving into this "false patriotism" narrative that people should buy into things because they are told to
 

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Im active duty. 12 years and counting. Im not bothered by it. If anyone tries to make this about military they are making an attempt at distracting ppl from the issue at hand. Which i agree is a problem. The institutional and systematic oppression of non whites in america.

People should be able to think for themselves and i applaud them for doing so and not giving into this "false patriotism" narrative that people should buy into things because they are told to
Glad to hear members of the military aren't taking it personally. Conservative media is really pushing that idea to help further their own agenda.
 

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Im active duty. 12 years and counting. Im not bothered by it. If anyone tries to make this about military they are making an attempt at distracting ppl from the issue at hand. Which i agree is a problem. The institutional and systematic oppression of non whites in america.

People should be able to think for themselves and i applaud them for doing so and not giving into this "false patriotism" narrative that people should buy into things because they are told to

First of all, THANK YOU for your service. Secondly, there are just as many doing this to garner attention and don't even know why they're doing it. I have a problem with those people and I'd hope most others agree.
 
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If I were the coach I would take the Mike Leach approach on this one which would be something like this. .........

What the fu^^ are you doing ? Just who the f^&& do you think you are ? You don't pay the f^^%&ing bills around here. You want to protest " you can protest when your f&^%ing *** is off this team. Your not going to f&^$ing disrespect your team mates, our coaches, this school, this country, that flag or song not to mention the people who have or will fight for this country while your on this team. Are you are you on this f&%^$ing team or do you want to quit and go f*&^ing protest. I don't give a f&^* either way and that goes for the rest of you and until your paying the f&^%ing bills around here you don't have the right to disrespect yourself, the flag that song or anyone else. Do I make my self f&^*ing clear ?
 

TotesMcGotes

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I would want them off the team. Hell yes, it's disrespectful! It's meant to be disrespectful! I have no use for somebody who would do that. none. Semper Fi
Be pretty funny if every black player did it. Personally i would find it hilarious. How then could we carry on our gladiator in the coliseum type cheering while mostly black teams try to rip each others heads off..

If all black players did it then white america would be forced to listen for once.
 
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ukalum1988

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Kneeling during the anthem is not nearly disrespectable as sitting. I don't like it but I still believe in free speech. However, having freedom of speech doesn't exempt you from the consequences of your speech, so those who engage in provocative speech shouldn't be whining and crying when other people object.
 

TotesMcGotes

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Kneeling during the anthem is not nearly disrespectable as sitting. I don't like it but I still believe in free speech. However, having freedom of speech doesn't exempt you from the consequences of your speech, so those who engage in provocative speech shouldn't be whining and crying when other people object.
It goes both ways. Thats the beauty of free speech.
 

Stonewall12

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what would your reaction be? Seems like this movement is spreading and there's rumors the entire Seattle Seahawks team may take a knee during the anthem.

It's anyone's right to protest but imo it's very disrespectful and I could no longer support that particular player.
If they do that on 9/11 than the stadium needs to be empty the rest of the year. But it is Seattle so I doubt that will happen.
 

Blue Bigfoot

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Yep everything is about race with some people (racists in particular). How about trying to be an American first, instead of a self-absorbed ingrate. Interesting and great thing about this Country, is that fact that if you feel you're being "oppressed." you can go someplace else. Seriously, there's no walls holding anyone IN.
 

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Be pretty funny if every black player did it. Personally i would find it hilarious. How then could we carry on our gladiator in the coliseum type cheering while mostly black teams try to rip each others heads off..

If all black players did it then white america would be forced to listen for once.
Forced to listen to what? Do you honestly think that the majority of black America is oppressed? We have a black president and the majority of sports millionaires are black. The majority inner city blacks who are poor aren't oppressed....they made their own decisions to skip out on college, have multiple kids not being married to force themselves to live off the government and have no desire to improve their lives or to get away from the drug world.

Why is it that every race baiter says blacks are oppressed, but nothing about people in Appalachia living in poverty? Both made choices....both are poor...both are heavily involved in the drug trade. The only differences are that one is mainly black the other is mainly white and the mainly white population doesn't kill each other at the rate of blacks.
 

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Im active duty. 12 years and counting. Im not bothered by it. If anyone tries to make this about military they are making an attempt at distracting ppl from the issue at hand. Which i agree is a problem. The institutional and systematic oppression of non whites in america.

People should be able to think for themselves and i applaud them for doing so and not giving into this "false patriotism" narrative that people should buy into things because they are told to

Thank you for your service but BS on the oppression part. People oppress themselves, whites included and it does not matter what color you are.
 
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Clearly, as citizens of the United States, we are blessed with the freedom to peacefully protest without fear of government retaliation. However, I think it is wrong to protest during the playing of our national anthem. To me, the message being sent by such protestors is, "My country is not worthy of being honored by me standing during the playing of the national anthem, because, I, personally disagree with something the government is doing or not doing to my satisfaction." To be sure, we have problems we need to better address. However, the only time, all citizens of the United States pause for a few moments to jointly recognize that despite our political, religious, ideological differences and social problems, we are fortunate to reside in a country that is still the most cherished nation in the world in which to live. There are many other ways to protest, but to do so during the playing of our national anthem which symbolizes the survival of our nation through the most serious of threats is disgraceful.
 

Blue Bigfoot

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Clearly, as citizens of the United States, we are blessed with the freedom to peacefully protest without fear of government retaliation. However, I think it is wrong to protest during the playing of our national anthem. To me, the message being sent by such protestors is, "My country is not worthy of being honored by me standing during the playing of the national anthem, because, I, personally disagree with something the government is doing or not doing to my satisfaction." To be sure, we have problems we need to better address. However, the only time, all citizens of the United States pause for a few moments to jointly recognize that despite our political, religious, ideological differences and social problems, we are fortunate to reside in a country that is still the most cherished nation in the world in which to live. There are many other ways to protest, but to do so during the playing of our national anthem which symbolizes the survival of our nation through the most serious of threats is disgraceful.

Well said! [thumb2]
 

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Glad to hear members of the military aren't taking it personally. Conservative media is really pushing that idea to help further their own agenda.

Yeah, that old conservative MSNBC had 4 articles on 5 days after it happened. Just one of those deplorables.
 
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Be pretty funny if every black player did it. Personally i would find it hilarious. How then could we carry on our gladiator in the coliseum type cheering while mostly black teams try to rip each others heads off..

If all black players did it then white america would be forced to listen for once.

So now it is a black-white issue? Deplorable
 

morgousky

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Im active duty. 12 years and counting. Im not bothered by it. If anyone tries to make this about military they are making an attempt at distracting ppl from the issue at hand. Which i agree is a problem. The institutional and systematic oppression of non whites in america.

People should be able to think for themselves and i applaud them for doing so and not giving into this "false patriotism" narrative that people should buy into things because they are told to

Bull. No other country is it even possible to do what these guys are allowed to do. there is no such thing as systematic oppression in this country. You're using vague language because the facts and statistics don't give way to your argument.

If a Kentucky player did this, is be pissed. I know many, and I mean many, military personel. My father in law is a master Sargent in the marine corps. My cousins are navy. I have at least 20 friends and family who serve or served. None of them agree with you. Talk about being in the minority.

But you're serving and I didn't so I submit respect. Far from what these losers taking a knee are doing.
 

Crootin

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I believe in free speech so I have no problem with it. Being disrespectful isn't illegal and it should never be so.

I also believe in the freedom to discipline him if that's what authority wants to do.

Great post Totes.
 

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Im active duty. 12 years and counting. Im not bothered by it. If anyone tries to make this about military they are making an attempt at distracting ppl from the issue at hand. Which i agree is a problem. The institutional and systematic oppression of non whites in america.

People should be able to think for themselves and i applaud them for doing so and not giving into this "false patriotism" narrative that people should buy into things because they are told to

It's not directed towards our military is a slight toward the cops. Our players are not pro players and they honestly don't have the right to represent the university if they are going to engage in this garbage.
 

hmt5000

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Im active duty. 12 years and counting. Im not bothered by it. If anyone tries to make this about military they are making an attempt at distracting ppl from the issue at hand. Which i agree is a problem. The institutional and systematic oppression of non whites in america.

People should be able to think for themselves and i applaud them for doing so and not giving into this "false patriotism" narrative that people should buy into things because they are told to
White people are 600X more likely to be victims of black crime than blacks are of being victims of white crime. And blacks are only 16% of the population.

Yes they have a right to sit but it's getting really old listening to people complain about weeds in the yard when the house is on fire. This false racism blame is way worse than false patriotism. By the time you read this 2 black people will have killed 2 other black people and that has nothing to do with racism.
 

rock264

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If no one paid any attention to it, it would stop. Each person is entitled to worship, assemble, read and write as they please. Same for how you position yourself during the national anthem. People freaking out about it just fuels the fire. I guess if you have ever been arrested for driving while black, your perspective might be different.
 
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EliteBlue

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As active duty military I support their right to protest and speak their mind. With that said, I don't agree with the approach. The flag and anthem should represent the idea and concept of the constitution, equality, the pursuit of happiness, and so on. It's that flag and country and all the people who have bled in the name of it that have built is to where we are today. For people of any color or religion or sexual orientation to have a voice.

We like to point out all we see wrong and scream the country in oppressing people while turning a blind eye to the fact that we are often leading the rest of the world in progression.
People of different races/tribes/sects or homosexuals are being killed all over the world. There's real racism in all but a handful of countries but they are predominantly countries of a single background.

As far as "systematic oppression". That's the biggest victim mentality concept there is. There are communities that have major issues. White, black, Asian, Mexican, etc. these communities often times glorify things that aren't compatible with moving up in society and are detrimental to their lives all the while demeaning those who value things such as education and other things that can help you out yourself in a better situation. A culture change is at the root of the solution for inner city issues as well as Appalachia. But when there are quotas for companies to make and countless minority scholarships that barely require a 2.0 in HS and give away free college when other people who aren't minority's pay full price regardless of their 3.5+ it becomes ridiculous to claim that there are not tons of opportunities to better yourself.

We can start with ceasing to call other blacks "uncle toms" or "sell outs" or blacks saying "they aren't really black" when someone doesn't fit a ghetto stereo type and they are put together and do well in school.. As if color is defined by actions instead of genetics. The Ben Carsons and Morgan Freeman's of the world are the people that should be glorified, not tore down and criminals need to be recognized and held accountable instead of using them to attempt to push an agenda writhing the communities.

All that does is belittle the cases where an injustice was actually done and makes it harder to weed out the bad apples. Lumping in all the cases where,while death is unfortunate, the use of deadly force can be justified based on "fog of war" and the series of events (no slow mo in real life) you're essentially doing the same thing as our ever evolving enemy in the Middle East wearing civilian clothes and hiding amongst the general populace. It makes it hard to determine who the bad guys actually are and you do more harm to your cause if you deem them all bad and take action.
 

Rupp'sRunt

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Let them kneel on the bench too , surely they wouldn't be offended at the coach for protesting his protest .
Oh yeah lets bench our players bc they exercise a constitutional right and won't conform to public opinion. That'll show em.

Edit: Counter argument, If UKs basketball starting 5 sat down during the national anthem would you sit them on the bench the whole game? I'd assume probably not, especially in a big game.
 
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I know I would want my team to do something about it. They have no problem disciplining kids over speech etc. that isn't considered PC so why is there a double standard with the tradition of the national anthem. The problem is they just want it one way it appears when it comes to free speech. The same with the NFL also.
 

irishcat1965

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Be pretty funny if every black player did it. Personally i would find it hilarious. How then could we carry on our gladiator in the coliseum type cheering while mostly black teams try to rip each others heads off..

If all black players did it then white america would be forced to listen for once.
Actually black players should protest what is happening in Chicago every week where black people are being slaughtered at an alarming rate by other black people. But that doesn't fit the agenda does it?

As far as kneeling or sitting during the national anthem, that is a person's right. I don't agree with it at all, but it is that person's right.
 

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Oh yeah lets bench our players bc they exercise a constitutional right and won't conform to public opinion. That'll show em.

Edit: Counter argument, If UKs basketball starting 5 sat down during the national anthem would you sit them on the bench the whole game? I'd assume probably not, especially in a big game.
So you're ok with protesting so long as it's a one way street ? Gotcha , captain freedom .
 
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Be pretty funny if every black player did it. Personally i would find it hilarious. How then could we carry on our gladiator in the coliseum type cheering while mostly black teams try to rip each others heads off..

If all black players did it then white america would be forced to listen for once.

Ok I will bite. Because that is obviously what you want. If all the black players do it, (because they are getting a FREE college education paid for by mostly white fans) then they can go play in some other country and see if they are better off! Give me a freaking break. Don't like this country? Then GTFO! I'm sure the opportunities for black people are much better elsewhere. I say if someone doesn't respect the country, then they can go play for Pakistan and tell me how that works out.
 

Rupp'sRunt

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So you're ok with protesting so long as it's a one way street ? Gotcha , captain freedom .
I'm okay with anyone saying what they want in protest. Youre the one letting it bother you. Bam could come out with a flying spaghetti monster costume and dance during the national anthem, and I'd still start him. Best players play, regardless of how much they hurt your feelings.