If Grayson Stays And We Add Bolden . . .
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I have no insight where Bolden will go. But in tht group, there's not a single pure center. Bolden is one. Uk has a lot of big forwards but Bolden would give them something they don't have.
You really know that? For sure?
And, you'd still say that if Bolden chose Duke?
Nothing like speculation in a pitch black room.
That's anecdotal and not a really good anecdote. There are many other games where he played D here and there against a bigger C and was unable to handle it. Kaminsky was more of a college version of Nowitzki - not a pure C or a post C nor a power player. Amile simply matched up better against Frank.
Jefferson is a great PF at the college level. Excellent defender and a total team player. He's an ideal PF defender as well as a SF defender. But not ideal as a post Center defender.
But, the reality is, Jefferson cannot effectively play C game in and game out. He'll do well some games and other games he'll struggle.
And, if you're talking national title contenders, unless we get just the right matchups, it's going to be a weakness for Duke not having a pure center.
Not silly, just realistic. If Amile was playing the 5 most of that game, Duke loses. Wisconsin would have exposed it throughout a whole game. Amile is a good player, he's just not a pure 5. Maybe Duke will hide it next year with Giles beside him. I hope they do.
1) I know they would have lost. Sorry that pains you.
2) against what competition? Was it the ACC haul?
3) please show where I said Amile sucks. I'll be waiting. I've already said he's a good player, he's just not built for the 5 spot, a majority of the minutes, over a whole season. You certainly knock some for not reading entire threads; it appears you're guilty of that here.
Do I know that for sure? LOL, Well, it was a reference to heart, not real weight as the human heart weighs like What 10 to 15 ounces? Would I say Amile had more heart than Bolden if he signs? Hell yes. And while the lights are out , kiss my *** in this pitch black room.
On that note I'm outta this thread. I support Amile; he's been so valuable for the program. I hope he gets to play his natural position next year at the 4. If not, I'll pull for him anyway!
Also, I'm surprised at how many are "certain" Grayson is staying.
I just don't see it.
Yeah, quality post. Really showing your personal character there. Weren't you the one with the knee-jerk reaction because of the Duke Chapel incident a few years ago (the Christian - Islam controversy)? Lol if you are worried about that with the attitude toward posters you disagree with on here.
I get the metaphor. That's what made your post so speculative to say his "heart weighs 150 pounds more" is simply something you don't know because - as much as everyone agrees that Amile's heart is great and a quality team player - you have no idea what kind of heart for the game Bolden has.
In reality, you just don't know his heart for the game (metaphorically speaking) ... do you? Didn't think so. The problem here is constant judgment on posters and players without real evidence.
And resorting to personal insults simply demonstrates that you need to grow up and learn show some respect in disagreement. Maybe take a break and realize basketball is a game and this is a meaningless discussion board. And think about becoming a man with some maturity who can disagree strongly without becoming upset. Basically, just grow up young fella.
I'm a huge fan of Amile. But, that doesn't mean I think that he's going to become the next Michael Jordan in the NBA - and people who don't think so should not be ridiculed - in the same way, having watched just about every game he's played (including all of last year and this year before his injury) I don't think he is well suited for the 5.
I just don't see it.
Yeah, quality post. Really showing your personal character there. Weren't you the one with the knee-jerk reaction because of the Duke Chapel incident a few years ago (the Christian - Islam controversy)? Lol if you are worried about that with the attitude toward posters you disagree with on here.
I get the metaphor. That's what made your post so speculative to say his "heart weighs 150 pounds more" is simply something you don't know because - as much as everyone agrees that Amile's heart is great and a quality team player - you have no idea what kind of heart for the game Bolden has.
In reality, you just don't know his heart for the game (metaphorically speaking) ... do you? Didn't think so. The problem here is constant judgment on posters and players without real evidence.
And resorting to personal insults simply demonstrates that you need to grow up and learn show some respect in disagreement. Maybe take a break and realize basketball is a game and this is a meaningless discussion board. And think about becoming a man with some maturity who can disagree strongly without becoming upset. Basically, just grow up young fella.
I'm a huge fan of Amile. But, that doesn't mean I think that he's going to become the next Michael Jordan in the NBA - and people who don't think so should not be ridiculed - in the same way, having watched just about every game he's played (including all of last year and this year before his injury) I don't think he is well suited for the 5.
I do think Grayson will go to the NBA. I would love it if he stayed - we'd have amazing talent. But, it's unlikely his draft stock will go up and it is a chance - with the perimeter talent coming in - that it will fall a bit.
Right now he's solidly in the 1st round, though in the bottom 1/2 or 1/3 from what the major draft sites say. To get a guaranteed 4 year deal that doesn't just put a few million in your pocket but also gives you a chance to develop could be invaluable going forward.
It's a tough call if you love your school but unless you are pretty sure you are either out of the 1st round or feel super confident you'll be a first round pick in two years, its tough to pass up.
Right now he's solidly in the 1st round, though in the bottom 1/2 or 1/3 from what the major draft sites say. To get a guaranteed 4 year deal that doesn't just put a few million in your pocket but also gives you a chance to develop could be invaluable going forward.
It's a tough call if you love your school but unless you are pretty sure you are either out of the 1st round or feel super confident you'll be a first round pick in two years, its tough to pass up.
Wth are you even talking about ? LOL. Duke chapel Incident? Dude you are out there like Pluto. It's funny you whine about insults but you throw more than most, yes yours are a bit more subtle , but insulting just the same. You're also crying about not knowing a player, well back at Ya. Then you cry because it's a message board with different ideas, then why do you whine when you don't agree with mine. Spare me the grown comment hoss , I'm grown , full grown.
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My take on Grayson is he will need to become a smarter player like JJ to have a long career in the NBA. Similar to JJ he is a great college player but he's not the type of player that can carry a team continuously vs other good teams because he struggles to create his own shot vs solid defenders (like JJ). Against good teams, he really struggled to drive and finish because he isn't too quick. He's a really good shooter (Not JJ level), but more athletic. If he comes back i think he's the 2nd or 3rd option on offense and that's a really good thing, if he goes to the NBA he starts his career as a spot up 3 point shooter and mid range player until he learns how and when he can drive and finish in the league.
I hope he comes back but if it were me I would definitely leave because his stock isn't really going to get any better as he's not getting any quicker. Also he's been unjustly vilified and that's all ESPN talks about.
I hope he comes back but if it were me I would definitely leave because his stock isn't really going to get any better as he's not getting any quicker. Also he's been unjustly vilified and that's all ESPN talks about.
1. Thinking and knowing are two different things.
2. No. But it wasn't against all scrub teams as you're suggesting.
3. Please show where I said you said that. You know exactly what I'm talking about.
And read your messages. You were an ******* last night....along with others. They all stopped after warned. You got worse. You're more defensive than a little kid when someone challenges your opinion.
1. Never, ever kiss another man's *** (or let him kiss yours) in a pitch black room. Too much can go wrong, no matter what your preferences/inclinations are.
2. I get the matchups idea and the thought that Amile playing the 5 the whole game against Wisc would not have been preferable. But this is only an issue if Jeter makes virtually no improvement skill wise, composure wise, and strength wise. For those teams with true bigs, I think we should be more than ok with Tatum, Giles, Jeter, and Amile spelling all three. Big teams are going to have a very tough time guarding Tatum and Giles, especially with the outside shooting we should have. Matchups go both ways. I clearly remember Laetner's teams repeatedly beating Shack and Mourning.
2. I get the matchups idea and the thought that Amile playing the 5 the whole game against Wisc would not have been preferable. But this is only an issue if Jeter makes virtually no improvement skill wise, composure wise, and strength wise. For those teams with true bigs, I think we should be more than ok with Tatum, Giles, Jeter, and Amile spelling all three. Big teams are going to have a very tough time guarding Tatum and Giles, especially with the outside shooting we should have. Matchups go both ways. I clearly remember Laetner's teams repeatedly beating Shack and Mourning.
Although I really want Bolden and I don't think Amile is a 25 minute per game 5, I'm more concerned with the PG spot. I'm really close to thinking thornton doesn't have the ability to ever be a championship caliber, team running PG (yes I get it this was his frosh year and he will improve). He just has so far to go from a "how to play the game" and form with his shot. He has the quicks, handle, and defense so that is giving me some hope. I knew his shot was going to be a work in progress moving forward, but I really thought he would be able to carve defenses and presses up and be a really good assist PG, and it hasn't even been close to the case. It will be really interesting to see the offensive identity of next year's team.
Also, with added athleticism and depth hopefully we play much better D.
Also, with added athleticism and depth hopefully we play much better D.
I am a huge fan of DT, and I get you on this though. I think he can be molded into a very good collegiate PG, and K and staff are the people to do it. If he comes out flat next year, then I will be really worried.
1. Chaucer warned of this centuries ago. (6:58-7:05ish; 8:50-8:56ish)
2. There's a reason a 6th man doesn't atart, and there's a reason he may be in the game during crunch time. Amile won't be our prototypical, ideal 5 next year and never has been, but he'll start and finish games, and when it comes time to make one stop, he'll be on the court ahead of Chase and ahead of Bolden.
1) purpose of a message board - to state things you believe you know in some cases (see this as example)
2) You could have stopped at No. That's all you needed to say.
3) You know exactly what you are insinuating. Amile is far from sucking, he's just not a true 5, built to handle the load of an ACC schedule as the main 5.
I read my messages, as well as everyone else I reply to. You've been an ******* plenty of times here, regardless of your "status". I didn't appreciate Show being his typical self, and it's pretty obvious I wasn't the only one he was targeting. I simply stopped when he kept hinting that he wants to potentially fight certain people at CTC; that is f'ing comical, and sad that a "grown ***" man wants to potentially target at CTC. Here, I will be at CTC, and one of my emails is [email protected]. Otherwise that crap shouldn't be on here, mods or no mods.
Lastly, I got so much worse that I was liking other people's posts, having a decent discussion, ignoring the instigator, and said things like "great season, on to next year...." Again, you just like to see what you want to see. Read the posts man, read the posts. LOL @ "defensive"; it is a SPORTS MESSAGE BOARD. You do not know me, and I don't know you. I do know, however, the people on the board that I read seriously, and the one's I laugh at and ignore. Let's just say I do not take you seriously. Is that a "bannable" offense?
I am done engaging you here; if you'd like to continue, please PM or shoot me an email. No reason to continue tying this thread up with stupid BS.
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You guys were talking about a fight. YOU brought it up. You then told somebody you didn't fight old men. You gave some good advice to dj, READ what you wrote. After that comment I simply said wise decision. now you're crying crocodile tears that the big bad man wants to fight me. Grow up drama queen.
Count me in the group that believes Amile can handle the 5, but my "way too early projection based on recruiting and NBAdraft potential" believes next years team has a CHANCE to be an "all time team." Like 99 Duke (sigh), 2001 Duke, 2009 UNC, 2007 Florida.
We do not have a chance to enter that discussion with Amile at center. Sure, he will battle and will do a descent job, but he isn't going to dominate. However, if we have Giles, Amile, Bolden, and Chase as 4 guys (5 with Tatum) capable of playing the 4 and 5, than this Duke team has a chance to be talked about for many years.
Maybe I'm just greedy, but after our depth issues this season, I want all the bigs we can possibly get, and I want to get every single rebound available.
And also, WE NEED TO BLOCK SOME SHOTS NEXT YEAR.
We do not have a chance to enter that discussion with Amile at center. Sure, he will battle and will do a descent job, but he isn't going to dominate. However, if we have Giles, Amile, Bolden, and Chase as 4 guys (5 with Tatum) capable of playing the 4 and 5, than this Duke team has a chance to be talked about for many years.
Maybe I'm just greedy, but after our depth issues this season, I want all the bigs we can possibly get, and I want to get every single rebound available.
And also, WE NEED TO BLOCK SOME SHOTS NEXT YEAR.
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