Please....can we never use them again to prove that talent isn't an issue. They have talent and experience, yet, the SEC made them look ridiculous. The difference is, Alabama has MORE talent and the same experience.
If Michigan State can do it....
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Quit trying to lump us in with the SEC. All we are doing is currently playing in it. Bama is at another level to all but a couple of teams in the league and those teams are in the west. Nobody else in our league is capable of laying that kind of thumping on MSU. They might throw in one clunker in one of their 12 games, but if they played everyone in the league in a best of five they win four against anyone.
Which makes us an SEC team. UF played Alabama very close as did UT. I think right now, UGA, UT, UF, LSU, Ole Miss, and obviously Alabama would all be at MSU. And I am sure Arkansas and MSU would give them a great battle if not beat them as well.
Can you please stop trying to group UK in with the SEC? Like Jesus man you always talk about UK being in the SEC and so on and so forth. We play SEC teams every year, correct. But they never think woah look at that SEC game with Kentucky we got coming up. We're more so looked at as a bye week.
So what is your point?
And last I checked we are an SEC team. Not sure why that has anything to do with what I posted though.
I guess you're one of those fans that proudly beat SEC across their chest when talking about UK football. "We are SEC we ARE ELITE, WE ARE UK!!!"
Yes merriman we do play an SEC schedule and we do have SEC stitched across our unis. Does that mean most programs in the SEC think of Kentucky as an SEC football team? Absolutely not. You are who outsiders perceive you as in this sport. Which isn't an SEC football team. More so that team that plays in the SEC but doesn't really compete.
No. Actually I have never said that at all. But I still don't understand how that has anything to do with my post.
People on here use Michigan state to say that Kentucky should be able to mimic them. Well, they just got drilled by an SEC team like the ones we play every week. Yes, Alabama is on the highest level, but not as much above the other SEC teams as they just showed they were over MSU.
The point is you keep grouping UK in with the rest of the SEC. Which is an insult to the programs that win 9 games in this conference every year. They do not want to be grouped in a conversation with the likes of UK. It's unfair to them and the success they bring this conference and if you said something along those lines to an Alabama player you would live the rest of your days in a hospital. UK has nothing to do with the SEC being known as the SEC when it comes to football. We've brought this conference nothing as far as football success goes.... Basketball on the other hand we own this league.
Lets not be dramatic. And that point has nothing to do with my post. The point is, we play those teams EVERY week. If MSU did the same, nobody would be saying that if they can do it then we can do it.
Bama got thumped by a team from that same conference a year earlier. UofL is a mid-pack ACC team that graduated a lot of players last year and beat an 8-4 SEC team. Houston beat one of the top ACC teams in convincing fashion today. You never know in these bowl games. Is Bama the best team in the nation? Probably. Could any other SEC team of won the national title? Probably not. The conference is good, but not anything like you make it out to be. There is a lot of teams out there that could beat any team in the SEC east.
Bama didn't get "thumped" by anyone last year. They did lose a playoff game by 7 points, though. As a UK fan, I know what a thumping looks like; I see UK get thumped at least three times a year. The game tonight, now, that's a thumping.
Ohio State was easily in control of that game last year. I actually couldn't even believe it ended up 7 points as much as OSU dominated the ground game in that one. They gave up 42 points and made a NFL QB out of a backup. Good point though. The way the OSU RB ran that game it seemed like a lot more. My point being is the gap is not as huge as merriman keeps making it out to be. I just wished I could get a pair of those blue goggles, but I've watched this crap since the late 70s. I will sit back and see what happens. Hope it works.
Stoops might turn out to be okay, but some people will be optimistic with whatever crap is put out there. I argued early on in the BCG and Joker eras that those guy would not get it done and ended up right. BCG and Joker both recruited worse than Tubby and that's saying a lot. Stoops is recruiting at a high level for UK, but his on field progress has been questionable. Hopefully it works out but just claiming to be SEC doesnt necessarily mean you are even a decent team.
Actually, Kentucky is a founding member of the SEC so, making statements like "UK only plays SEC teams...we really aren't an SEC team." may sound impressive in a sarcastic way to someone typing it out. But, in reality it's all relative. 20 years ago Alabama lost to UK in Lexington. At that time I bet you could have found some Tide fans who said Bama wasn't a real SEC team.
Granted, UK has no real football history but, you can flip all of this and say Alabama has no real basketball history. UK being a SEC program is a catch-22. It's good that we get to share the financial success with the other 13 programs. But, it sure is a ***** when you're trying to drag your program out of the gutter.
Granted, UK has no real football history but, you can flip all of this and say Alabama has no real basketball history. UK being a SEC program is a catch-22. It's good that we get to share the financial success with the other 13 programs. But, it sure is a ***** when you're trying to drag your program out of the gutter.
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We do play against an SEC team 8 times a year. I'll give you that much. We don't have any history to hang our hats on like bama does so that point is kinda moot at no point has bama ever thought to be not worthy as a football program in the SEC. What do people in this conference care about. Hoops? It's all about football and we've given this conference nothing to be proud of as far as football goes.. I honestly wish we would change conferences so that maybe one day we can succeed in football because of the simple fact we've never been SEC worthy for a decent stretch of time since Bryant. My point is merriman likes to say UK is better than teams they're clearly not better than simply because we have 'SEC' stitched across our jerseys when the only SEC-like thing we do is play 8 SEC teams a year. Not trying to piss people off I'm just pointing out the sad truth because merriman loves to claim we're better than certain teams because of a logo stitched on our jerseys and the channel we play most of our games on. As if that's enough to make us feel entitled.
So, you're saying a founding member of this conference should slither away because we aren't Alabama or LSU quality in football? I've got some news for you sunshine, there aren't many programs out there that are going to be on that level. So, that's a pretty ridiculous statement. Should Vandy and South Carolina have to leave too? How about Mizzou and Ole Miss. Any success they've had has been very recently and is not part of a rich history of winning.
Using your logic Duke should have left the ACC long ago because they weren't competitive. Or maybe Kansas should have been kicked out of the BIG 12?
Just stop with the self-loathing and come on back to reality where only a small percentage of programs are powerhouses.
Kentucky and vandy are the only non worthy SEC teams. There's being a mediocre program, then there's being the all time doormats we call these the UKs and Vandys of the world. Mediocre can get you by. But being a doormat for 50+ years ain't cutting it and for that simple fact alone we shouldn't be playing football in the SEC anymore. I don't care if we are a founding member we do not compete in this league when it comes to football. Hell even vandy beats Florida and Tennessee every once in awhile. When you can't beat a team that plays you every year for 30 years straight. Actually. When there's 2 teams in your conference that beat you every year for 30 years straight. Then obviously you don't belong. And we simply just don't belong. When was our last over .500 SEC team? Because I don't remember. What about USC and Mizzou? Huge difference between us and them. My only point is merriman is a straight up moron, putting it nicely, because he thinks (along with a million other homer opinions of his that are completely untrue and moronic) that we're better than some teams that we're clearly not better than because we have SEC stitched across our jerseys (even though the team he says we're better than beat one of the SEC teams we lost to).
There is a good chance that if MSU plays our schedule this year that they have the same record.
Exactly. There are always teams that are bottom feeders and struggle in specific sports but do well in others. We are a bottom feeder in SEC football pure and simple but, that does not mean we are not SEC. I believe what a few are missing, is how some fans at others schools outside of the conference beat their chest about their records but, would also be a bottom feeder in the SEC. This is what I think is the point of a few posters here. Now, that is not to say I am content to be a bottom feeder and get frustrated with it most years. However, I accept this fact and continue to hope that one day we can turn the Tide and the corner and start being competitive in the SEC.
If every school got out of their conferences because they were door mats, where would they go? Then, how would the conferences stack up if every team was top level? The games would surely be better to watch but, everyone would be beating each other up. Then, you would have to come up with more conferences for the not so talented bottom feeders. You could have the TBFC (The Bottom Feeders Conference) or, NSGC (Not So Good Conference) or, TTSC (Teams That Suck Conference) etc....Yeah, I know this is ridiculous but, so is the point that we are not an SEC team.
My point is every conference has its bottom feeders to beat up on. Why do we stay content with that though. Why are we so content with being a bottom feeder? It makes no sense to me we could change conferences and do way better. Instead we stay in the SEC so the real programs have an automatic W every year? I still don't understand why fans are content with that. Gotta love the is what is approach. We are NOT SEC.
Who has said they are content with being a bottom feeder? How do you know we wouldn't beat some of those teams you say "others" say we could beat? Obviously we don't play Purdue, Illinois, Kansas, etc...
Being good in college Football is relative. We are not good in the SEC. Maybe we could do much better in another conference. IMO, we'd have a winning record THIS year if we played in the ACC, big ?, Pac?. We'll never know. As for moving to another conference; we have the benefit of being able to attract recruits that want to play in the SEC. If we changed conferences, the level of recruiting would be proportionate to the lesser conference. There's nothing about coming to Lexington, Ky to play that would be any better than any other school. We benefit from being in the SEC. If we went to the ACC, we'd get subpar talent and easily could be no better off there than we are here.
Sounds like you need to change teams
The last 15 years the SEC as dominated this sport and I don't even see how you could argue it. Yes, there has been a few teams outside the conference rise up. But for the most part, the SEC has dominated.
Yeah, they could be. But I don't think so. I think they would lost to UT, UF, UGA, MSU, and maybe even Auburn.
NoDef, you appear to me to be one of those people who is never wrong, or won't admit it when you are. I don't think we know how Stoops is going to turn out. We will know in the next couple of years, since he has who he wants as his assistants.
Try thinking who ever the coach is, as a new hire, he is going to be successful. Life will be a lot better, and I guarantee you will be happier. It appears by your posts, that your glass is always half empty.
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Dream on. Miss ST, UT, UGA, are just 3 of the teams off the top of my head that would have beat MSU.
Booger McFarland was on Mike and Mike the day before the game and said quote "Ole Miss and UT are better teams than Michigan State. This is not Alabama's toughest game of the year." And the co-host and all the callers bashed him. He was 100% CORRECT.
I never claimed we were better than other teams because we play in the SEC. I said if those other teams played in the SEC like we do, they wouldn't be as successful as they are now. Big difference. There are really people on here, you included, that claim that Western would still go 12-2 with our schedule, yet they barely beat on of the traditional cellar teams who won about 4 games this year. You also said that Western could beat us just because they beat Vandy and Vandy beat us. That is just a crazy way to think.
And again, the point of the thread is to not compare other teams that are not in the SEC to prove how we "can do it". The SEC is a different animal. It is proven every year. Yet, people like you continue to ignore that this is the hardest league to build a football team in.
You don't even realize that you are proving my point. You say we should leave the conference so that we can not be a bottom feeder and be more successful, but then say the strength of the SEC would not affect other teams that are winning due to who they play and that if they played an SEC schedule that they would do just as good. That is a direct contradiction and makes no sense.
Mich State would not have finished 12-1 but would still have been one of the best teams in the SEC, problem is that defensively, Alabama is just on another planet, they completely dominated LSU and Miss State, who both scored over 50 in the bowl games, also shut down Florida in the SEC championship game.
Please...let's cherry pick one game that is just flat out a bad matchup for Mich State and in which MSU is competing against a legion of 5 stars and make grand conclusions. Ignore all of their wins including last 3 bowl wins over Baylor Stanford and Georgia.
Mich State is still what we need to do....take 3 stars and a few 4's, coach them up, develop them and be a really good college team. Because of their success their recruiting is getting much better. They have 10 plus 4 stars on their commit list which is easily their best under Dantonio.
Bama is not our measuring stick. Right now we need to get to mid-tier SEC, and no doubt in my mind Dantonio could do that at UK.
Mich State is still what we need to do....take 3 stars and a few 4's, coach them up, develop them and be a really good college team. Because of their success their recruiting is getting much better. They have 10 plus 4 stars on their commit list which is easily their best under Dantonio.
Bama is not our measuring stick. Right now we need to get to mid-tier SEC, and no doubt in my mind Dantonio could do that at UK.
Vandy, SC, Mizzou are not Alabama. The SEC has breather weeks like every other league.