If Stephen Johnson's 40 yard ......

[redbudman]

dash time is a legitimate 4.5 as listed that is .62 seconds faster than Clemson's QB! ( Watson)! While Jackson of UofL runs a reportedly 4.38 which is probably closer to 4.4! Anyway you slice it Johnson has the speed to be a factor!! P,S Must be a little too early for calculations! My Bad! Well at least it gave the police something to do!

 

[MountainDoc]

Per ESPN Watson's 40 time was 4.89 seconds. .39 seconds slower than Johnson.

 

[vhcat70]

dash time is a legitimate 4.5 as listed that is 1.62 seconds faster than Clemson's QB! ( Watson)! While Jackson of UofL runs a reportedly 4.38 which is probably closer to 4.4! Anyway you slice it Johnson has the speed to be a factor!!

My guess is Watson runs a 40 faster than 6.12 seconds.

 

[Beatle Bum]

My guess is Watson runs a 40 faster than 6.12 seconds.

Yes. If that is a bet in Vegas, sign me up.

 

[3kidsandme]

I doubt Johnson runs a 4.5 electronic 40. He's probably closer to a 4.6 4.7 40 which is still really fast for a qb.

 

[UKSanders_rivals37733]

My guess is Watson runs a 40 faster than 6.12 seconds.

Maybe he does run a 6.12 forty but channels his super-power to slow the world around him? So, to the average person, he's flying, but, in reality, we are all just moving in slow motion? [smoke]

 

[jauk11]

I doubt Johnson runs a 4.5 electronic 40. He's probably closer to a 4.6 4.7 40 which is still really fast for a qb.

And if the basis for your post is true it is even more unlikely that Jackson runs a 4.38.

 

[Beatle Bum]

Jackson is fast. Really fast. That is my informal take.

 

[3kidsandme]

Jackson is fast. But I would bet alot of money he would not run a electronic timed 4.38. I would guess 4.5 for him.

 

[Glenn Fohr]

I think his speed isn't the most important we should be thinking about. I look at his ability to make good decisions, make all the throws, and being able to feel the rush and move around while keeping his eyes downfield.

 

[StubbornPenny]

dash time is a legitimate 4.5 as listed that is .62 seconds faster than Clemson's QB! ( Watson)! While Jackson of UofL runs a reportedly 4.38 which is probably closer to 4.4! Anyway you slice it Johnson has the speed to be a factor!! P,S Must be a little too early for calculations! My Bad! Well at least it gave the police something to do!

Jackson, Johnson, Watson. Watson, Jackson, Johnson. Wahnson, Jatson, Jackson. WatJohnJackson.

 

[3kidsandme]

I think his speed isn't the most important we should be thinking about. I look at his ability to make good decisions, make all the throws, and being able to feel the rush and move around while keeping his eyes downfield.

I agree with you 100 percent. Johnson is not a run first qb. If he has success it will be because he makes the throws I saw in the video consistently. Accuracy is primo at this level. His completion percentage 58 isn't great but I saw 6 or 7 drops in the highlights. Plus his coach even said johnson's ability exposed there lack of playmakers.

 

[gobigblue812_rivals29381]

ESPN 40 times are always slower because they use electronic timing, like the NFL combine. Jackson is incredibly fast. He outruns everybody on the field. It wouldn't surprise me if he runs a true 4.4 40. I'm willing to bet Johnson's time was not electronic. Anything less than electronic is unreliable, period.

 

[3kidsandme]

ESPN 40 times are always slower because they use electronic timing, like the NFL combine. Jackson is incredibly fast. He outruns everybody on the field. It wouldn't surprise me if he runs a true 4.4 40. I'm willing to bet Johnson's time was not electronic. Anything less than electronic is unreliable, period.

So johnson's time is not accurate but Jacksons is? If Jackson was clocked at a 4.38 I imagine that's hand timed. Which would put him in the 4.5 range

 

[Rhavic]

ESPN 40 times are always slower because they use electronic timing, like the NFL combine. Jackson is incredibly fast. He outruns everybody on the field. It wouldn't surprise me if he runs a true 4.4 40. I'm willing to bet Johnson's time was not electronic. Anything less than electronic is unreliable, period.

Kind of a bizarre logic you just used here.

 

[WildCard]

As evidenced many times in NFL camps a true 4.5 40 is pretty damn fast.

Peace

 

[gobigblue812_rivals29381]

So johnson's time is not accurate but Jacksons is? If Jackson was clocked at a 4.38 I imagine that's hand timed. Which would put him in the 4.5 range

Read more carefully. I never said Jackson's wasn't. I merely said he outruns everybody on the field meaning he is very fast. He's not outrunning JUCO players. He's outrunning SEC and ACC defenders. Guys that will play in the NFL.

 

[JPFisher]

I agree with you 100 percent. Johnson is not a run first qb. If he has success it will be because he makes the throws I saw in the video consistently. Accuracy is primo at this level. His completion percentage 58 isn't great but I saw 6 or 7 drops in the highlights. Plus his coach even said johnson's ability exposed there lack of playmakers.

It should be noted that someone in an earlier thread about Johnson (when his name first surfaced) that his completion percentage and ratio of TD to INT went way up after the first two months of the season on into the last two. The guy is good and from what I can tell, takes information readily.

 

[Beatle Bum]

Jonnson's speed related to other college QBs really tells us nothing, unless there is a QB foot race planned.

 

[CATFANFOLIFE87]

Read more carefully. I never said Jackson's wasn't. I merely said he outruns everybody on the field meaning he is very fast. He's not outrunning JUCO players. He's outrunning SEC and ACC defenders. Guys that will play in the NFL.

If he plays in the NFL it won't be at QB he's not accurate enough. He isn't running for 200 yards in a game against an NFL defense and his passes would get picked liked daisies

 

[Beatle Bum]

If he plays in the NFL it won't be at QB he's not accurate enough. He isn't running for 200 yards in a game against an NFL defense and his passes would get picked liked daisies

Jackson is a 6'3" durable kid who has a strong arm, but does not have consistent accuracy. If he can develop consistent accuracy, why would he not have NFL potential? He was a true freshman. I think we should hold off on predictions.

 

[CATFANFOLIFE87]

Jackson is a 6'3" durable kid who has a strong arm, but does not have consistent accuracy. If he can develop consistent accuracy, why would he not have NFL potential? He was a true freshman. I think we should hold off on predictions.

That style doesn't work in the NFL how many dual threats have lasted longer than a couple years as a starter and been successful? Cam Newton, Mike Vick, and to a lesser degree Russell Wilson? There have been a ton that tried and failed. RG3 was a beast and was the rookie of the year but look how fast the league has chewed him up and spit him out

 

[Beatle Bum]

That style doesn't work in the NFL how many dual threats have lasted longer than a couple years as a starter and been successful? Cam Newton, Mike Vick, and to a lesser degree Russell Wilson? There have been a ton that tried and failed. RG3 was a beast and was the rookie of the year but look how fast the league has chewed him up and spit him out

I am not sure Jackson has developed a style. Wilson and Bridgewatet have dual threat capabilities, yet run offenses as passers who can run when needed. I doubt Marcus Mariota plans to run a lot. Jackson is young. If he can control his arm, I bet you see him run a lot less.

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

I am not sure Jackson has developed a style. Wilson and Bridgewatet have dual threat capabilities, yet run offenses as passers who can run when needed. I doubt Marcus Mariota plans to run a lot. Jackson is young. If he can control his arm, I bet you see him run a lot less.

Bridgewater was a great college QB and a pretty decent pro QB. He has a promising career ahead of him. But dual threat, he is not. He doesnt run anymore than any other pocket passer in the league.

Jackson is a great athlete. He may yet be an NFL QB. Hes just a freshman. We'll see.

 

[3kidsandme]

Read more carefully. I never said Jackson's wasn't. I merely said he outruns everybody on the field meaning he is very fast. He's not outrunning JUCO players. He's outrunning SEC and ACC defenders. Guys that will play in the NFL.

I read it carefully the first time. You said it would not suprise you if Jackson runs a true 4.4. Then went on to say Johnson time of 4.5 was probably not accurate because it was electronic. Well if Jackson was clocked at a 4.38 like you mentioned I imagine that's a hand timed 40 so he runs around a 4.5 area

 

[Bigbluecaleb]

I hope Johnson is the second coming of Fran Tarkenton . . . but this is Drew's team and absent injury he will be Da Man!!! GBB

 

[Beatle Bum]

I hope Johnson is the second coming of Fran Tarkenton . . . but this is Drew's team and absent injury he will be Da Man!!! GBB

At 6'3", he would be Stretch Tarkenton.

 

[Beatle Bum]

Bridgewater was a great college QB and a pretty decent pro QB. He has a promising career ahead of him. But dual threat, he is not. He doesnt run anymore than any other pocket passer in the league.

Jackson is a great athlete. He may yet be an NFL QB. Hes just a freshman. We'll see.

TB was notoriously recruited as a WR by some programs. He has speed, as he exhibited numerous times in the UL backfield. He is not a dual threat, just like Johnson is not. They see themselves as pocket passers with wheels.

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

TB was notoriously recruited as a WR by some programs. He has speed, as he exhibited numerous times in the UL backfield. He is not a dual threat, just like Johnson is not. They see themselves as pocket passers with wheels.

Isnt that exactly what I posted? And its a 180 from your initial post. So im confused.

 

[gobigblue812_rivals29381]

I read it carefully the first time. You said it would not suprise you if Jackson runs a true 4.4. Then went on to say Johnson time of 4.5 was probably not accurate because it was electronic. Well if Jackson was clocked at a 4.38 like you mentioned I imagine that's a hand timed 40 so he runs around a 4.5 area

Most 40 times are hand clocked and not accurate. I don't believe any hand timed 40 until I see a guy play against high level competition. However, Jackson is the fasted guy on the field, backing up a fast 40 Is he a 4.38 40? I don't know. I think he is prob a legit 4.4s because he's faster than everybody else on the field. And it's been against SEC and ACC Ds. I've seen him in person several times. His speed is legit. I'm not saying Johnson isn't a 4.5. I've never seen him play in person and it's hard to judge how fast he is by looking at JUCO highlights. If you are going to say Jackson doesn't run a 4.4 forty then you're not watching. Even Auburn players were shocked at his speed. Do you think Boom runs a 4.4 40? If so, why? Because he outruns nearly everybody.

 

[Beatle Bum]

Isnt that exactly what I posted? And its a 180 from your initial post. So im confused.

You may be confused.

 

[BARRYBLUE1]

Redbudman said Watson's time was .62 slower than Johnson's 4.5. That would mean Watson's time was 5.12, not 6.12.

 

[JABJRS]

Bridgewater was a great college QB and a pretty decent pro QB. He has a promising career ahead of him. But dual threat, he is not. He doesnt run anymore than any other pocket passer in the league.

Jackson is a great athlete. He may yet be an NFL QB. Hes just a freshman. We'll see.

I tend to disagree with any proclamations of how great L. Jackson will be. He is fast, really fast, to be sure. However, I had the opportunity to stand on the sideline for 2 UL games this season (don't ask....) and both times I stood right next to the QB's as they warmed up. 2 things I noticed about Jackson:

1) He was shorter than I thought he would be. I am 6'1 and he was about my height with a helmet on and wearing football spikes. He is also very skinny, didn't have a lot of bulk on him.

and

2) Dude could not hit the broad-side of a barn in warm-ups. Seriously, he was just awful. He warmed up with Will Gardner and did not hit him in the numbers once. Every throw was high or low or off to he side....just terrible. Now, it could be that he was just fooling around trying to get his arm loose, or that he was pissed not to be starting that particular game (both times were Bolin games). However, he really didn't impress me much throwing the ball in games either, many of his completions were as a result of defenses gearing to stop his running......then he would just float one up there that his receiver, who was single covered, would come down with.

IMO, if Jawaun Pass does not end up flipping to Alabama we will see Jackson move to WR very soon after Pass gets on campus.

 

[3kidsandme]

Most 40 times are hand clocked and not accurate. I don't believe any hand timed 40 until I see a guy play against high level competition. However, Jackson is the fasted guy on the field, backing up a fast 40 Is he a 4.38 40? I don't know. I think he is prob a legit 4.4s because he's faster than everybody else on the field. And it's been against SEC and ACC Ds. I've seen him in person several times. His speed is legit. I'm not saying Johnson isn't a 4.5. I've never seen him play in person and it's hard to judge how fast he is by looking at JUCO highlights. If you are going to say Jackson doesn't run a 4.4 forty then you're not watching. Even Auburn players were shocked at his speed. Do you think Boom runs a 4.4 40? If so, why? Because he outruns nearly everybody.

It's not a big deal. Jackson is fast my point is if he was hand timed at a 4.38 then you can and a tenth of a second to that. Derrick Locke was timed in the 4.2s at uk and ran a 4.4 flat at the combine. Jackson looks like a 4.5 guy to me which is really really fast