If Stoops is a failure
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Barnhart would def not need to go. Dude has made great hires with volleyball, softball, track and field, and fixed his BCG blunder by hiring Cal. The non-revenue sports have never been stronger.
If Stoops fails, that means UK is in a position somewhere between Joker and Brooks, or a 5-win plateau in other words. That probably translates to an up-and-coming coordinator. UK being in the SEC will draw a lot of names. Should have a good pool of candidates.
If Stoops fails, that means UK is in a position somewhere between Joker and Brooks, or a 5-win plateau in other words. That probably translates to an up-and-coming coordinator. UK being in the SEC will draw a lot of names. Should have a good pool of candidates.
Barney was too much of a wuss to hire Petrino. Even though he is thought to be scum, I say so what, we would be winning games.
It Stoops is a "failure" that would mean that UK would have made two straight bad hires who came from the coordinator ranks (Joker, Stoops). Hiring someone who has already proven he can be a head coach would be important.
I thought we should have too, at the time. I was also very supportive of the Stoops hire, but the sure bet was Petrino. Anyway, I just don't see how Mitch won't get heat if we go another year without a bowl game, and UofL wins 10 games. People are sick of this ****.
Non revenue sports compare nothing to football or basketball. How many people on this forum would rather be good in track and field than football? I'd guess nobody.
It stoops is a failure here the next coach will inherit a nice looking roster and the best facilities the program has ever had. Hopefully Stoops figures it out and gets us to where we want to be. If he doesn't then the next guy will be in a much better position to succeed.
Not at all what I'm arguing, but I do enjoy a tasty straw man for breakfast. Non-revenue sports build prestige. I personally like having a comprehensive athletic program, and not being a one or two-trick pony.
But in any case, Barnhart is also fine because his instincts were correct in hiring Stoops. That was a universally praised hire by every corner of the CFB community (players, coaches, agents, media, administrators, and fans). He turned around Arizona's defense and parlayed that into a bigger DC job at major power FSU. He then turned around that defense that began their current run. That was a very smart hire with a proven track record that everyone thought would be a success.
Get out more often.
I hate this negativity. Petrino is exactly where he belongs, Scum belongs with other scum. If UK had Petrino then I would stop watching the football Cats. We will begin winning. Stoops is learning.
While it is good to have a well rounded athletic program, football and basketball should be top priority followed by baseball as to garner revenue. Barnhart would of never fired joker if people would of come to the games still. Luckily the fans boycotted. If stoops doesn't win by next year, he'll be gone.
Straw man? Because I raise a valid concern? I mean, is it out of the realm of possibility that we may not go to a bowl game this year? Let's all just keep patting ourselves on the back because Stoops was such a great coordinator at his last stop. Let's all get together and sing kumbaya. Nothing to see here, nothing to question, zero causes for concern. Everything is great. Toe the line, and be a company man. Otherwise, you're just a straw man that should get out more.
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Any new coach would have a good talent base to build from.
I still think with the new offensive hires we will be a much better team.
The problem with the Stoops hire isn't as much about Stoops not being the right hire, thats obviously part of it...it was Barnhardts "out of left field" insistence on giving Stoops a contract extension based on little to no results aside from good recruiting. I'm not an expert nor do I claim to know what Barnhardt would do..but from the outside looking in I have to think that no matter how bad Stoops is for the next 3 years that he'll survive because of the massive buyout UK gave him. I could be wrong about these numbers but if I'm not mistaken if he's fired before 12/1/17 they would owe him around $12 million...if he's terminated before the end of the 2018 season its around $6 million....So you have to think its a given that he's here through the end of the 2017 season. Do fans think UK will even pay $6 million to fire him after the 2017 season?
What I was thinking as well. If Stoops isn't successful the next coach is going to inherit one hell of a roster and some of the best facilities you can find anywhere in the country. Hate on Stoops all you (not talking to you) want but the man will leave this program one day in insanely better shape than it was in when he got here and that's not even up for for debate. The next coaching search (hopefully not for a long time) will prove to yield a much higher quality pool of candidates than was possible pre-Stoops
I don't know why this is even a question at this time. He is succeeding. The roster is miles improved. I think most believe the staff is also. One less win in 2014 & one more in 2016 - read the V and AU clusters - & thus same net overall record he'd be getting everyone's praises & not nervous nellie threads like this one.
Can people give this rest till after the season starts or can't some control themselves? Answer: Probably not. Some lack control.
I'm sorry some people don't like to talk about possibilities unless everything is hunky dory. It's simple discussion.
As far as succeeding goes, I think Stoops has succeeded here in every aspect except for on the field results. Hopefully that will change this year.
Truth is many so called UK Football fans will be disappointed IF CMS is successful.
if he is then he should be far from the first to lose his job. cannot imagine Mitch Barnhart being allowed to stick around and hire a 4th head football coach if he had to fire the previous 2. and his first hire was successful but left in disgust at the lack of proper investment in the program.
Stoops has not been successful here. He has succeeded in one aspect and that's recruiting. He has not proven he can game plan, adjust, or even hire coaches. Sure, you talk about how great the Gran and Hinshaw hires are and I think they were, but Brown was hired before Stoops was and Dawson was clearly not a great fit for him. DJ Eliot has yet to prove he can be a successful coordinator. Till the chickens start beepin I'm not ready just yet to say Stoops has improved in his hiring decision. He also has to prove he can not micromanage them to death either.
Stoops can bring them in but there is still doubt he can develop them at this point. Shake you head all you want but this upcoming season is probably make or break for Stoops. It is a pivotal season and we're starring down the barrel at 4 road games and 2 home games we're not going to win. He has yet to beat the in state rival. Actually took a step back last year and that's not going to change this year likely. This is a conversation because if UK takes another step back going 4-8 or keeps spinning their tires at 5-7 you don't want this to drag on because recruits will eventually go elsewhere and we're back to square one.
Stoops took us from 1 win to 5 wins. In 2014 we were 3 bad plays from 8 wins and last year we were 3 bad plays from 8 wins as well. How is that NOT a success????
What year did we only win 1 game?
Also, 5 wins is an improvement, but we didn't win 8 games. I don't care how many plays we were away.
Because we were one great play from losing to EKU. And we went from 2 wins to 5 and then stayed at 5 again.
"Wuss" to you is integrity to me. I sincerely hope we never become a win at all costs university. When that happens, there's no difference between us and Louisville.
I know wins haven't come as often as the fanbase would like, but Stoops has been successful at UK. Look at the facilities now compared to where they were when he arrived, look at the talent on the roster compared to his arrival. He has made some rookie mistakes as a new head coach, all of them do. But before he arrived, even the OOC cupcake games weren't sure wins. Add that to MSST being on their best 3 year run in many years took away a game that UK was usually competitive in. Honestly, UK wasn't a very attractive job 4 years ago, talent level was way down, facilities weren't on par with anyone in the SEC.
UK is one of the programs in the SEC that has to go out of state to get much of it's talent, like UT, Arkansas, AU and even Bama because there just isn't enough SEC talent in the state coming out of HS. You have a well known and respected coach in Ohio who does very well with Ohio kids, While UK has closed the talent gap and maybe even passed a several teams, the gap is still pretty large with the top 4-5 teams, but I think it is in the top 8-10 now as opposed to maybe 13 before Stoops arrived, which puts you in position to go anywhere from 3-5 to 5-3 in conference. So how can he be considered a failure?
As soon as Strong left UL, Petrino would have left UK for UL.
Plus, I truly believe that Stoops had some negotiating power at the time he was hired and is the main reason we have our facility upgrades.
If we hired Petrino, who didn't have that same negotiating power at the time, we probably wouldn't have the upgrades. May have a better team - but that is yet to be determined.
A most logical response to a way too premature question.
Over the years, the most "successful" coaches at UK have been those who brought some head coaching experience to the sidelines. SEC is a pretty tough place to "learn the trade" but it can occasionally be done (e.g., Mullen at MSU, Franklin at Vandy). But an immediately moot point as Stoops has at least 2 more years to "get it done" (whatever that means).
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What are you talking about?
1. Joker was 2 wins in his last season at UK
2. We're all glad to at least be to 5 wins but...
- Winning all 3 OOC scrubs (vs just 2) isn't a miracle worker.
- Getting past USC, Mizzou and Vandy in different years is another solid accomplishment...but Vandy is in the cellar again w/o Franklin, USC fell apart as well and Mizzou fell down a bit last year.
3. What 3 plays are you referencing that has kept us from 8 wins. That is laughable at best. We have scraped by USC the past 2 years for W's. Outside of the UL dropped Int in 2014 and UF delay of game miss in 2014...where are all of these W's we've missed.
Franklin is proving to be a great recruiter and a coach who happened to have a couple of guys come through at qb and one of the top WR all time in the SEC come through at the same time. Mason has made mistakes no doubt, but their defense is no joke and will be improved this year, they don't have a qb, if they somehow get fair qb play they won't be an easy win. What Franklin did when he left for PSU really hurt Vandy, by recruiting their commits to PSU, and it will take 3-5 years to recover from that. I hope Mason is gone before they fully recover because he is a good coach.
One play in the UF game was the dropped TD pass by Baker
The Auburn and Vandy games had plays that were not made that could have brought us wins, someone with a better memory can probably tell us.
I said in another post that I thought Stoops has been successful here in all areas except on field results. Just my opinion.
See lack of interest in opposite thread to prove this point https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threads/if-stoops-is-a-success.189849/
If Stoops is a failure, then I'm not sure we will ever see any football success at UK. Personally, I think I'll fold my cards and go home at that point - I'm too old and tired.
If that does happen, Barnhart "should" go offer Tom Herman whatever it takes. But, what Barnhart will do is hire Eddie Gran as HC.
If that does happen, Barnhart "should" go offer Tom Herman whatever it takes. But, what Barnhart will do is hire Eddie Gran as HC.