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Larry00

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While I agree on the definite recruiting advantage they have with Texas high school football, the schedule “excuse” doesn’t hold water this year.

TCU has played 8 bowl eligible teams on their 2022 schedule, going 8-1, while playing K St twice. They’ve played 8 games so far against Top 25 ranked schools, and are 7-1.

UK has played 9 bowl eligible teams in their 2022 schedule, while going 5-4. They played 6 games against Top 25 ranked schools, going 3-3.

I’m just chalking it up to a more talented team, that was much better coached, while playing everyone on their schedule tougher than we did.
 

Ukbrassowtipin

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Playing in the big12 to get there, then play good but overrated/not elite big10 team.

Kansas State won the big12 championship...take a look what the 4 or 5th best SEC team did to them in a bowl game.
 

Bluesbrother

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Why can’t UK? A much smaller school with less resources.
Wrong AD that gets you the Wrong Coach. Stoops will NEVER rise much higher than what you see today. We need a younger, aggressive AD. Barnhart is at the root of problems in both basketball and football because of contracts awarded to these coaches that serves to disincentivize them. Barnhart has aged out and lazy. He wants to coast into his retirement without having to "work" to find the right coaches to replace them. He just pays them to allow himself to coast.
 

UKnCincy_rivals

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Amon G Carter stadium capacity of 45K...very small.

Again, you’re focusing on the wrong things when it comes to assessing TCU’s resources. What matters is how much wealth their boosters have.

Over the past decade, TCU has done two major upgrades to their football stadium. The first cost $164 million and the most recent cost $113 million.

Both of those upgrades were 100% funded by boosters. TCU didn’t have to spend a dime. And they recently announced another $40 million upgrade to their football facilities and after just a couple of weeks, they’ve already received donations of $20 million.

TCU may have a small enrollment, but they have boosters with very deep pockets.
 
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mrhotdice

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Student population 10.5K . They are a small university.
They have endowments worth millions. They are also a private school. Texas, Texas Aand M, Baylor and TCU all have loads of cash. TCU signed 8-9 4 Star players and most from Texas. In reality, Texas is a hot bed of HS footbal
 

rockycard

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Playing in the big12 to get there, then play good but overrated/not elite big10 team.

Kansas State won the big12 championship...take a look what the 4 or 5th best SEC team did to them in a bowl game.

So going by what you are saying, FSU beat LSU so FSU would have won the western division in the SEC?

Btw, Alabama is probably the only non playoff team that didn’t have a single player opt out.
 

rqa

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Why can’t UK? A much smaller school with less resources.
It’s a smaller school with more resources. It’s also possible they caught lightning in a bottle. Had the playoffs existed in 1976 it’s possible that UK could have been in their position. Much harder climb to do in the SEC than B12. Could TCU have beaten UGA, UT and random team from the west? Maybe they get one but could they get them all in the same season? They lost to Kansas State and we saw what happened to K State vs Bama. If UGA beats them by 20+ are they still a juggernaut? Don’t know but it will be fun to find out.
 

Deeeefense

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Texas Christian

2022 60th
2021 63rd
2000 24th

Kentucky

2022 14th
2021 34th
2020 21st

So much for the "instate recruiting advantage" theory.

Also if in-state recruiting is such a big deal why are Florida, Miami, FSU, Texas, Texas A&M, Southern Cal, UCLA etc. all struggling so much of late? Florida, Texas and Cali are the top 3 talent producing states.
 

notFromhere

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Yeah but play Georgia every season, and at least 2 teams with at least equal the talent of the best big 12 team with Tenn and Florida, plus let’s say Kentucky makes it through that part of the schedule there waits a west opponent who has been in the playoff like 80% of the time since it started.

Much much tougher road than TCU had this season.

I can’t imagine TCU is 13-1 in the sec. However they could go out and beat Georgia and that changes everything

They will be getting favorable calls to keep TCU close with the Bulldogs unless Georgia takes control early and goes up big.
 
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AustinTXCat

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Size of their student population isn’t really relevant.

TCU has an endowment worth ~$2.5B. That’s about 25% larger than UK’s endowment.

TCU may be a small school, but there is still big money down there that supports them.
+1

And a culture at TCU which seems more supportive of P5 football.
 

Lost In FL

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When’s the last time we put up 50 on a power five team? Let alone a good team?
Under CMS, UK has scored 50+ in seven games. Tenn-Martin (2x), Charlotte, New Mex St (2x) and UL (2x). IF you consider UL a Power 5 team, then last time was in 2021.

Since 1997, UK has scored 50+ eighteen (18) times. In 26 seasons, 317 games. Twice UK has lost Ark (2003) and UT (2007), when both games went into OT. Against power 5, maybe 8 times: UL (3x), Vandy (2x), Ark, IU, Tenn. Again, that is if you count UL. I don't believe they were Power 5 in 1998.

One interesting time was in 2004, when UK beat IU 51-32. That team went 2-9.
 

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The schedule argument doesn’t work for TCU this year. Especially since they just beat Michigan. Assuming Tennessee with that terrible defense would beat them is ridiculous. I’d argue the only team they would’ve lost to this year with our schedule is UGA and they get a chance to prove me wrong in that National title.
 

JHB4UK

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Pretty dumb thread. Do some of you people even have perspective and knowledge to understand what TCU "did"? That this TCU team's accomplishments haven't been done before in the 150 yr history of CFB?.

5-7 last yr, 1st yr coach, took in 13 transfers, picked 7th out of 10 in Big 12, unranked in top 25, started wrong qb beginning season. Now 13-1 & playing for the natty.

Never. Been. Done.
 
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Snarks

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Wrong AD that gets you the Wrong Coach. Stoops will NEVER rise much higher than what you see today. We need a younger, aggressive AD. Barnhart is at the root of problems in both basketball and football because of contracts awarded to these coaches that serves to disincentivize them. Barnhart has aged out and lazy. He wants to coast into his retirement without having to "work" to find the right coaches to replace them. He just pays them to allow himself to coast.
Glad someone else sees what’s going on.
 

Bigbluebill

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Because Stoops, the Big Dog and myself are losers who know nothing about football and more yet we care nothing about UK football.

We exist only to piss off trolls like you, and look silly and foolish!

How’s that?
 
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Bigbluebill

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While I agree on the definite recruiting advantage they have with Texas high school football, the schedule “excuse” doesn’t hold water this year.

TCU has played 8 bowl eligible teams on their 2022 schedule, going 8-1, while playing K St twice. They’ve played 8 games so far against Top 25 ranked schools, and are 7-1.

UK has played 9 bowl eligible teams in their 2022 schedule, while going 5-4. They played 6 games against Top 25 ranked schools, going 3-3.

I’m just chalking it up to a more talented team, that was much better coached, while playing everyone on their schedule tougher than we did.


It’s the talent level homey

They don’t play in the SEC and their QB was not hurt
 

BigBlueCatNation

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$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I don’t know why our fans think this, but we have a lot that do. Kentucky brings in more money than at least half of the SEC, much less the rest of the country. We are usually in the Top 10-15 highest revenue producing schools in the country, as well. All of this was even before the SEC Network money.

Kentucky can pay whatever any other school wants to pay for staff, facilities, etc.
 
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sluggercatfan

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Again, you’re focusing on the wrong things when it comes to assessing TCU’s resources. What matters is how much wealth their boosters have.

Over the past decade, TCU has done two major upgrades to their football stadium. The first cost $164 million and the most recent cost $113 million.

Both of those upgrades were 100% funded by boosters. TCU didn’t have to spend a dime. And they recently announced another $40 million upgrade to their football facilities and after just a couple of weeks, they’ve already received donations of $20 million.

TCU may have a small enrollment, but they have boosters with very deep pockets.
Why would you think that TCU facilities are better than UK'S.
 

College#19

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Most SOS rankings show TCU has a much tougher schedule than Kentucky and most of the SEC programs
 

rqa

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Pretty dumb thread. Do some of you people even have perspective and knowledge to understand what TCU "did"? That this TCU team's accomplishments haven't been done before in the 150 yr history of CFB?.

5-7 last yr, 1st yr coach, took in 13 transfers, picked 7th out of 10 in Big 12, unranked in top 25, started wrong qb beginning season. Now 13-1 & playing for the natty.

Never. Been. Done.
Before we go anointing Sonny Dykes the next Nick Saban can we see a sample size > 1 season at TCU? He is now 84-64 during his career meaning he was 71-63 before the season started which is about the same as Stoops current record of 66-59. He was 19-30 at Cal his only other gig in a P5 conference. Is he good or did he get extremely lucky? If TCU plays Michigan 10 times how many does it win? If UGA puts a beat down on them what does it say?
 

sluggercatfan

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Pretty dumb thread. Do some of you people even have perspective and knowledge to understand what TCU "did"? That this TCU team's accomplishments haven't been done before in the 150 yr history of CFB?.

5-7 last yr, 1st yr coach, took in 13 transfers, picked 7th out of 10 in Big 12, unranked in top 25, started wrong qb beginning season. Now 13-1 & playing for the natty.

Never. Been. Done.
UGA 50. TCU 28
 
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fabcat

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If offense and scoring wasn’t a priority why did he get rid of Scang after one year and convince Coen to come back? He knows we need to score points. The notion that some on here have that he doesn’t value offense is bunk.
 

Blueworld_3.0

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The numbers do not support TCU having better players/recruiting, easier schedule or better facilities. So, all that is left is player development and coaching staff. Why is so hard to accept that TCU has surpassed UK (and many other SEC schools) in this area?
 
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JHB4UK

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In 2021 TCU was 5-7 & fired their longtime legendary coach, UK was 10-3

Pretty silly to jump in one brief moment and crown someone's ***. Esp a team & coach doing something never been done in the history of CFB. Saban was 6-6 his yr 1, Kirby 7-5, what bums!!!

TCU has lightning in a bottle, won all games but the last in a very very avg conference. A down Oklahoma, a down Iowa St, a down Ok St, a still-not-back-Texas, down Baylor, fun but still not good Kansas. 13 transfers infused them with perfect hole pluggers, and had a qb just ball out.

They are a fun story, I personally hope they win the title! But any UK fan, or hell fire any fan of the 130 other schools to point to them and say "why can't we do that!?!?" is just so silly.
 
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Because we play in a REAL football conference where we would have to beat 4 GREAT teams before we even got to the playoffs.

The SEC is REALLY TOUGH!!!
 
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UKUGA

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In 2021 TCU was 5-7 & fired their longtime legendary coach, UK was 10-3

Pretty silly to jump in one brief moment and crown someone's ***. Esp a team & coach doing something never been done in the history of CFB. Saban was 6-6 his yr 1, Kirby 7-5, what bums!!!

TCU has lightning in a bottle, won all games but the last in a very very avg conference. A down Oklahoma, a down Iowa St, a down Ok St, a still-not-back-Texas, down Baylor, fun but still not good Kansas. 13 transfers infused them with perfect hole pluggers, and had a qb just ball out.

They are a fun story, I personally hope they win the title! But any UK fan, or hell fire any fan of the 130 other schools to point to them and say "why can't we do that!?!?" is jus


If TCU played Alabama’s schedule they may have gone 8-4.

Not even sure about that.
 

Kybluedude

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I don’t know why our fans think this, but we have a lot that do. Kentucky brings in more money than at least half of the SEC, much less the rest of the country. We are usually in the Top 10-15 highest revenue producing schools in the country, as well. All of this was even before the SEC Network money.

Kentucky can pay whatever any other school wants to pay for staff, facilities, etc.
I had no idea. Good to hear