If The Minimum Wage Becomes $15 A Hour...Would You?

KingOfBBN

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Man, I'll usually throw them a buck or two if I'm ordering carry out. Nothing more.

There was a study that found that if servers touch their patrons on the arm compared to servers who don't. They will receive on avg 22% more tip money. We have nerve endings in our arm that relay to a part of the brain that associates with good emotions. So that means we are may tip more when it happens.

The more you goddamn know.........

I always enjoyed watching idiots get played by waitresses. They'd sit down in the booth with a group of guys and chat them up and these guys would be like "Dude, she's so into me. I'm going to get some puss." These are the guys who probably think strippers like them as well.

But the touching of the arm was always in the repertoire for a waitress.
 

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I always enjoyed watching idiots get played by waitresses. They'd sit down in the booth with a group of guys and chat them up and these guys would be like "Dude, she's so into me. I'm going to get some puss." These are the guys who probably think strippers like them as well.

But the touching of the arm was always in the repertoire for a waitress.


Exactly Heisman. Fools. And I was one of them the weekend of May this year. Wing House girl. I ended up buying her some Wing House hat, bought a beer mug that I haven't used and I bought a shot glass that's still in the package. hahaha

Now the science proves it!
 

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Which is more effective at pissing off a waitress / waiter who has been terrible: leaving a dollar / less than a dollar, or leaving nothing?

I go back and forth on this all the time.
 
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Which is more effective at pissing off a waitress / waiter who has been terrible: leaving a dollar / less than a dollar, or leaving nothing?

I go back and forth on this all the time.

I knew a guy, when the waitress would first come over, he'd have a bunch of ones on the table and say "this is your tip", each time they'd screw up, he'd take a dollar away.
 

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"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take."
-John Daly on alcohol 7/16/2015 British open you gd faggots.
 

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I knew a guy, when the waitress would first come over, he'd have a bunch of ones on the table and say "this is your tip", each time they'd screw up, he'd take a dollar away.

I knew a guy who did the same thing. He was a dentist in South Carolina. Kind of a dick thing to do.
 
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Servers aren't exempt, they still have to make the standard federal min wage:

"What is the minimum wage for federal minimum wage to covered, nonexempt employees. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 an hour in direct wages if that amount plus the tips received equals at least the federal minimum wage, the employee retains all tips and the employee customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips. If an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference.
Some states have minimum wage laws specific to tipped employees. When an employee is subject to both the federal and state wage laws, the employee is entitled to the provisions which provides the greater benefits. "

http://www.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/002.htm

Here it the problem with this.....the employer only has to justify that the server should have received the difference between the server $2.13 an hour in direct wages against the difference to be made up by using the servers total ticket sales for the day/week/pay period. The standard factor to use is between 10% to 18% of that servers ticket sales. There is no guarantee the server got the difference. So if you stop tipping the employer can still argue that your server got 10% off of your ticket sale. If (and it's always when) that is factored out to be at or above the minimum wage then the employer is off the hook for the difference.
 

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That's known as "the old man church handshake."

It's also known as the "hand hug" or "power handshake."

http://lonerwolf.com/body-language-handshakes/

I remember the different shakes from my Social Behavior Psych class yrs ago. A handshake by which the other hand either hugs the receivers hand.....or grabs their forearm......is a favorite of politicians......and used car salesmen. It's a way of trying to relay trust and/or dominance to the receiver.
 

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Ray Charles would pick his women this way:smiley::sunglasses:

Did you ever read his book "Brother Ray"? What you said was indeed true but his womanizing started crazy early. I'm talking at the blind/deaf school where he'd partake in "fingerings." This guy also drove a car when others were in the car with him.

Crazy stuff. I think he was way up there in the numbers of women as well.
 

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Sicilians used to do it to check if their daughter's suitor had enlarged lymph nodes on his arm, indicating rampant STD infection (such as syphilis). TS.

 
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Which ones aren't, willy? Asking for a friend.

I read on the internet that there is a new kinda super syphilis that is un effing curable. So I'm not sure I would tip my server who may have that. I'm sure there are studies that show that people with AIDs get tipped less than people without AIDS.
 
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Well, you are assuming that the server gets a wage at all? In most restaurants the servers either have to make their wage entirely on tipping......or they get a small wage and have to make the rest up on tips. Soooo, in most cases I will continue to tip.

They'll still make no less than $15 per hour because that's what the law requires. If they don't get it in tips then the restaurant will just have to fill the gap.
 
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Servers are exempt from minimum wage. Most make less talhan half what minimum wage is, and the rest is made up by the tip. Servers will not be paid $15 an hour.

I'd hate to see what might happen if the minimum was ever pushed that high. Lots of low wage workers will be let go. Not sure why we even have a minimum. Let the free market dictate wages. Especially on entry-level and unskilled labor.
Because companies will start paying in "store credit", coupons, and other shady tactics.
 
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If you're making $15 you don't deserve to be tipped.

And I refuse to eat somewhere with a forced service charge or gratuity. I'm not paying for a tip if it's not deserved.
 

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I'm confident it will become so expensive to eat in restaurants, that I won't have to tip because I'll eat at home. But at least the unemployment that's created will be a sight to behold.

Price floors above equilibrium price create a surplus. It's simple economics. If you want higher pay, increase your human capital. High pay isn't an entitlement of being human.
 

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15$ per hr is going to eliminate jobs and close many restaurants/businesses. Welfare, health care unemployment and taxes going to get a big bump upwards.
Who the hell elected that nut case in the WH and those in Congress? Two guesses should be enough.
 

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Are they too stupid to realize that if m w goes up, everything else will go up proportionately? After 2-3 years they'll be no better off than they were making $7 per hour.
Talked to a manager at McD's the other day. Friend and I went in for a cup of coffee. It took 10-15 minutes to be waited on while there was an army of people taking care of the drive thru crowd. It's apparent what's going to happen. Soon, many mcd's will be drive through only...no dining room to clean. No restrooms to watch get dirty. No trash to take out. Orders will be taken by a guy in Pakistan that makes 50cents an hour. There will be 3 guys nuking burgers and pour soyshakes for $15 p h.
 
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Why don't prices go up when gigantic bonuses are handed out to executives? Why do prices only go up if minimum wage workers get a raise?
 
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Why don't prices go up when gigantic bonuses are handed out to executives? Why do prices only go up if minimum wage workers get a raise?

McD's Min wage worker makes more money per hour. Can take his baby momma out to dinner. Goes to burger king because he know mcd's burgers are crap. Since BK has to pay fry-cook $15, price of triple whopper goes up enough to pay wages.

Guy takes bm to movies. Theater owner has to pay $15 ph. Movie ticket price goes up to $15...stale popcorn $8 a box...watered down coke the same.

Get the picture.

I'll grant you that it's a shame those guys got all that money....but those guys impact the cost of BMW's more than the regular, day to day stuff that we middle class people have to pay for.
 
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McD's Min wage worker makes more money per hour. Can take his baby momma out to dinner. Goes to burger king because he know mcd's burgers are crap. Since BK has to pay fry-cook $15, price of triple whopper goes up enough to pay wages.

Guy takes bm to movies. Theater owner has to pay $15 ph. Movie ticket price goes up to $15...stale popcorn $8 a box...watered down coke the same.

Get the picture.

I'll grant you that it's a shame those guys got all that money....but those guys impact the cost of BMW's more than the regular, day to day stuff that we middle class people have to pay for.
Yeah, but the example you gave shows that MW earners are more likely to spend their money than a CEO is, who either saves or invests (both foreign and domestic).

Divide a billion dollars among a million MW earners and all of that money gets spent on the domestic economy. Divide a billion dollars among 10 CEOs and a huge chunk of it gets locked up in bonds or shifted out of the domestic economy via investments.
 

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Are they too stupid to realize that if m w goes up, everything else will go up proportionately? After 2-3 years they'll be no better off than they were making $7 per hour.
Talked to a manager at McD's the other day. Friend and I went in for a cup of coffee. It took 10-15 minutes to be waited on while there was an army of people taking care of the drive thru crowd. It's apparent what's going to happen. Soon, many mcd's will be drive through only...no dining room to clean. No restrooms to watch get dirty. No trash to take out. Orders will be taken by a guy in Pakistan that makes 50cents an hour. There will be 3 guys nuking burgers and pour soyshakes for $15 p h.

A lot of California restaurants have already invested money in technology to replace human beings. Basically it's going to be vending machines/robots eventually.
 

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Here's a quick thought:

If you're someone who even spends a second of your day worrying about how you should tip and trying to justify lowering what you tip if the minimum wage is raised, which who in the hell knows how to quantify how that will affect servers and what they're ultimately bringing home, here's a piece of friendly advice: stay home, lard*sses. Just sit back in your la-z-boy chairs, pop open another bag of pork rinds, and chug some more Mountain Dew until you pass out. Leave dining out to people who can afford it and aren't counting out quarters on a pop-covered table.
 

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Yeah, but the example you gave shows that MW earners are more likely to spend their money than a CEO is, who either saves or invests (both foreign and domestic).

Divide a billion dollars among a million MW earners and all of that money gets spent on the domestic economy. Divide a billion dollars among 10 CEOs and a huge chunk of it gets locked up in bonds or shifted out of the domestic economy via investments.

And that's the point....the ultimate result is that prices of everything produced by mw workers goes up proprotionately. In three years, they won't be any better off than they are now....and those of us who don't get our pay doubled are hung out to dry.
 

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And that's the point....the ultimate result is that prices of everything produced by mw workers goes up proprotionately. In three years, they won't be any better off than they are now....and those of us who don't get our pay doubled are hung out to dry.

Yep as always. There's a reason these people working minimum wage jobs aren't exactly the brightest or have a great understanding of basic economics.

The only thing that this will appease is the ego because everyone else is going to suffer because the companies are going to raise everything else to offset the increase not to mention these people are really just going to have their jobs eliminated all together.

What are the odds that a fast food place really just lays off a ton of people and then overwork the hell out of a few remaining or just create automated systems or close down the dining areas all together?

And if a food service employee can get $15 guaranteed then what should every skilled or educated person in a better job get? By that logic, you raise everyone's pay across the board, which won't happen.
 
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And that's the point....the ultimate result is that prices of everything produced by mw workers goes up proprotionately. In three years, they won't be any better off than they are now....and those of us who don't get our pay doubled are hung out to dry.
Not necessarily. If unemployment is still high, companies can maintain or expand profit by hiring, not just by raising prices. More workers (MW and otherwise) in the marketplace means more goods and services being purchased.

If the unemployment rate were rock bottom, then sure, wages would chase prices would chase wages would chase prices....

As long as businesses have the ability to expand, increasing wages aren't a bad thing. Wages increased throughout the 1940s and 1950s.

With plenty of oil, available workers, and piled-up capital in the markets, companies don't have to raise prices in the inflationary spiral.
 
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