If UNC forfeits all games with ineligible players...
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Have a feeling if UNC forfeits games it will not even be close to the actual number of games actually played with Ineligible players.
If you go all the way back to 1993 and end at last year (not sure when the cheating supposedly stopped) then you have 578 wins including 3 national titles, 8 Final Four's, and 3 Elite 8's (not including the years they went further than the Elite 8). That's quite a bit of vacating, there.
They'll never strip a title or a final four. But if Boehiem can be forced to vacate 108 games, they could dock UNC 50-100. Yes of course it should be way more, but that's about what they'll do.
Wainstein said something about that. There weren't good email trails going back before 93, that's why they say that's when it started. The shenanigans started under Frank McGuire, Dean Smith was his protégé.
In UNC's case I would think they would have to determine what players would have still been eligible after they back out bogus classes before they can determine how many wins have to be vacated. Based on what they just hit Syracuse with UNC better get ready to bend over.
I think a lot of you are getting your hopes up on UNC***, I just think the NCAA will do very little to them. They should be hit harder than Cuse. JMO
I think the sheer scope of the whole thing is one of the reason's the NCAA has balked. If they went all the way they could damage not only UNC, but the entire sport so I seriously doubt that happens. JMHO of course, but I do think sanctions are likely, and good enough to be meaningful, but not total annihilation. I also think it ultimately cost Roy Williams his job. Every scandal needs a scapegoat.
UNC*** submitted their most recent paper work to SACs. They included a chart showing fake classes going back to 1989.
You can get that info at JPScott's site. As for how it is determined? If a team uses an ineligible player, games are vacated. The full rationale is left up to the NCAA and they can be quite inconsistent.
The only vacated games were the 3 1988 NCAA tournament games. We were also stripped of the SEC titles we won that year but kept the record of 25-5.
That will never happen. Syracuse got protected by the NCAA today...you think they did nothing wrong in the title season or 2013 final four season? Please.
This post was edited on 3/6 8:15 PM by preacherfanIf you edit your posts, the mistake disappears! I've done that a few times!
My bad on May. Pull the transcripts on the 2009 team and prove no one took any bogus classes before declaring anything safe. Cheated will be out soon. Good day to be a tarhole.
The 2009 team clustered in Communications, much like the 2005 team clustered in AFAM. I think there were 10 majors from the championship team. Nevermind that Roy said he didn't like the clustering in AFAM so he cut it out. Instead, they just found another discipline. Comm had a ton of irregular classes as well, but it wasn't within Wainstein's scope so it didn't get dissected like AFAM. The cheating at UNC was done on a very broad scale. AFAM, PHIL, COMM, EXSS, NAVW, etc. They honestly deserve to get nuked.
This post was edited on 3/6 10:49 PM by jarms24