May 4th with restrictions of course, and as much protection as possible for places like assistant living home...
Its not rocket science and shouldn't be political...
Its not rocket science and shouldn't be political...
If you are a Governor when you open things back up ?
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The difference between a doer and a taker. Tennessee will continue to bury Kentucky financially. Andy has to be spoon fed, Bill Lee goes to work.
So It is not yet May and Tennessee is moving forward to rebuild their economy. That is a two or three month headstart on Kentucky. Kentucky has a lot of good or rather great people and it is tragic they have poor leadership in the governors office. I pray people do not die needlessly because of a timid, clueless governor.
Really interesting article about power. California allows construction. County Health is overriding that decision. City is getting sued. I’m sure there similar issues to this all over the country.
https://www.mercurynews.com/san-jos...oosening-of-bay-area-coronavirus-restrictions
https://www.mercurynews.com/san-jos...oosening-of-bay-area-coronavirus-restrictions
Any way to find out the info this article is providing? The link just sends you to a pay wall.
that sure is a head twister. City won’t allow it. Gets sued.
Where’s the city getting the money for their loss and court fees?
No thanks, breathing increases your chance of catching corona. Until we learn to function without breathing we are doomed.
San Jose Mayor Sam Liccardo would like the city to have a say over which businesses will be the first to resume operation when Bay Area health officials ease restrictions amid the coronavirus pandemic.
In a memo to a city committee meeting, Liccardo requested that city staff create a team tasked to work with Santa Clara County officials to identify specific job categories now deemed “nonessential” but “appear relatively safe to consider as early candidates for a staged reopening of the economy.”
“We have to expand our focus from saving lives to also include saving livelihoods,” Liccardo said in an interview after the meeting on Wednesday. “If it’s simply six or seven public health officials and there’s no information going in or out, that is going to be very challenging for everyone and it’s probably not going to work well.”
The COVID-19 pandemic, which has infected at least 1,987 people and killed 95 in Santa Clara County, has caused hundreds of thousands of Bay Area residents to lose income and file for unemployment in recent weeks.
Liccardo has asked the city attorney to review Gov. Gavin Newsom’s statewide order and provide the city council with his opinion — during a closed session — on whether the county or state order supersedes the other on what categories of construction are permitted to continue during the pandemic. The stricter Bay Area order currently prohibits any residential construction that does not include at least 10 percent affordable units.
Smith said the city had “no justification” to discuss the matter behind closed doors and away from public scrutiny “unless they’re talking about suing someone.”
“If we’re talking about transparency and involvement, there’s no reason to be in closed session,” he said. “And I think it’s pretty clear in the law, that the public health officers have the ultimate authority about public health.”
According to Liccardo, he added that request to his list because of questions he and other city officials had received from affected stakeholders, such as union leaders. He said cities like San Jose are often threatened with litigation over decisions like this and closed session is “where all discussion goes between the city attorney and the council regarding topics of likely litigation.”
But in his memo, the mayor also seemed to take issue with the dividing line drawn by health officials.
“Obviously, there is no health-based distinction between allowing construction of a housing project at various levels of affordability, or an office or retail or industrial project,” Liccardo wrote in his memo. “If anything, the lower density of appliances and finishings in an office or industrial project should make those job sites inherently safer, because greater distance can be maintained between construction workers.”
Councilmember Johnny Khamis agreed with the mayor’s sentiments, saying that he wanted “more influence over the discussion” of choosing what businesses could resume operations before others, specifically stating that he supported resuming outdoor construction and opening up golf courses.
“If we don’t look for ways to jumpstart this economy then our problems are going to compound. They’re not going to get easier to solve,” Khamis said during the meeting. “That urgency needs to be stated.”
“It absolutely needs to be done safely but that county should be giving us ways to restart these jobs safely,” he added.
In a memo to a city committee meeting, Liccardo requested that city staff create a team tasked to work with Santa Clara County officials to identify specific job categories now deemed “nonessential” but “appear relatively safe to consider as early candidates for a staged reopening of the economy.”
“We have to expand our focus from saving lives to also include saving livelihoods,” Liccardo said in an interview after the meeting on Wednesday. “If it’s simply six or seven public health officials and there’s no information going in or out, that is going to be very challenging for everyone and it’s probably not going to work well.”
The COVID-19 pandemic, which has infected at least 1,987 people and killed 95 in Santa Clara County, has caused hundreds of thousands of Bay Area residents to lose income and file for unemployment in recent weeks.
Liccardo has asked the city attorney to review Gov. Gavin Newsom’s statewide order and provide the city council with his opinion — during a closed session — on whether the county or state order supersedes the other on what categories of construction are permitted to continue during the pandemic. The stricter Bay Area order currently prohibits any residential construction that does not include at least 10 percent affordable units.
Smith said the city had “no justification” to discuss the matter behind closed doors and away from public scrutiny “unless they’re talking about suing someone.”
“If we’re talking about transparency and involvement, there’s no reason to be in closed session,” he said. “And I think it’s pretty clear in the law, that the public health officers have the ultimate authority about public health.”
According to Liccardo, he added that request to his list because of questions he and other city officials had received from affected stakeholders, such as union leaders. He said cities like San Jose are often threatened with litigation over decisions like this and closed session is “where all discussion goes between the city attorney and the council regarding topics of likely litigation.”
But in his memo, the mayor also seemed to take issue with the dividing line drawn by health officials.
“Obviously, there is no health-based distinction between allowing construction of a housing project at various levels of affordability, or an office or retail or industrial project,” Liccardo wrote in his memo. “If anything, the lower density of appliances and finishings in an office or industrial project should make those job sites inherently safer, because greater distance can be maintained between construction workers.”
Councilmember Johnny Khamis agreed with the mayor’s sentiments, saying that he wanted “more influence over the discussion” of choosing what businesses could resume operations before others, specifically stating that he supported resuming outdoor construction and opening up golf courses.
“If we don’t look for ways to jumpstart this economy then our problems are going to compound. They’re not going to get easier to solve,” Khamis said during the meeting. “That urgency needs to be stated.”
“It absolutely needs to be done safely but that county should be giving us ways to restart these jobs safely,” he added.
You said nothing for this thread. Does your mom like you? She does but she is not happy about it.
Public attitude and fear or the relative lack of the virus will govern when the economy ramps up. Governors like to larp that they holding the levers of the economy, but they are elected officials. They'll succumb to the whim of the electorate.
If they are tardy in opening, they'll face intense criticism and risk a high rate of cheating.
If they are early, the public won't participate in the market.
If they are tardy in opening, they'll face intense criticism and risk a high rate of cheating.
If they are early, the public won't participate in the market.
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U not talking Trump.
Trump people have their own talk. Death in believing anything Trumps says is a better world.
Bleach your blood system. What have ya GOT TO LOOSE (Trump mantra._
chlorine gas contrastrate will kill you in seconds if you breathe it. Let's inject chlorine in our blood stream.
Hail the great mind of Trump. Doctor of doctors.
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You need to figure something out, that’s for sure.
Hoping the policy DeWine put forth yesterday is the final straw in this lunacy. Completely arbitrary and indefensible.
We’re worried about our healthcare system being overwhelmed, so the first thing we do is open up the healthcare system for elective procedures to use up capacity before opening the rest of the economy?
I can go to the dentist and sit their with an open mouth while a dentist puts his hands inside my face, but I can’t get my hair cut?
I haven’t had to wear a mask at a retail store throughout the apparently most severe part of this pandemic, but now I have to wear a mask every time I am outside?
Data shows masks don’t work anyway, but we’re all required to wear masks? Is useless masks why stores can only open up at limited capacity and the masks are just their to make people feel unsafe? Or do masks work and the limited capacity is the ridiculous requirement if people are wearing masks?
Hopefully the Ohio legislature or Courts step in and tell DeWine that’s enough of him arbitrarily ruining people’s lives he deems nonessential.
We’re worried about our healthcare system being overwhelmed, so the first thing we do is open up the healthcare system for elective procedures to use up capacity before opening the rest of the economy?
I can go to the dentist and sit their with an open mouth while a dentist puts his hands inside my face, but I can’t get my hair cut?
I haven’t had to wear a mask at a retail store throughout the apparently most severe part of this pandemic, but now I have to wear a mask every time I am outside?
Data shows masks don’t work anyway, but we’re all required to wear masks? Is useless masks why stores can only open up at limited capacity and the masks are just their to make people feel unsafe? Or do masks work and the limited capacity is the ridiculous requirement if people are wearing masks?
Hopefully the Ohio legislature or Courts step in and tell DeWine that’s enough of him arbitrarily ruining people’s lives he deems nonessential.
If anything like KY, then the "requirement" is nothing more than a lecture from daddy...you can't be cited for not having one on. The requirement of the stores will be the determining factor, as they can refuse customers who aren't wearing one, and employees of essential businesses who serve customers have to wear one. It's all nonsense, and another in the long lines of fubars from Andy.
The mask thing really isn’t the big issue, other than pointing out how arbitrary and absurd it is.
Arbitrarily allowing large businesses and hospitals to open while still taking the livelihoods from small business owners is the big issue.
https://www.fox19.com/2020/04/28/ohio-house-speaker-tremendous-frustration-with-dewine-administration/?outputType=amp
COLUMBUS (FOX19) Ohio House Speaker Larry Householder issued a statement Monday night criticizing Gov. Mike DeWine’s administration for ordering small businesses closed during the coronavirus pandemic while larger ones have been allowed to remain open and profit.
“There is a tremendous amount of frustration from the majority of members in the Ohio House regarding the Administration’s unwillingness to recognize that small businesses that have much less daily traffic in their stores are closed while their large chain competitors have been open throughout the process," said Householder, R-Glenford.
"As long as small retailers continue to be shut down while national chains are allowed to remain open, government is assisting in the demise of many great small businesses. The big get bigger and the small go away. The House has asked to work with the Administration to come up with common sense solutions to resolve this, but have been met with deaf ears.
“Ohio’s three branches of government are to be separate but equal. Our members feel disrespected that their opinions have been largely disregarded by the Administration,” Householder said. "The Ohio House has announced they are resuming on May 4 and Republican members are anxious to deal with these issues in person rather than via telephone.”
On Monday morning, a group of 33 GOP legislators rolled out a plan called Open Ohio Responsibly Framework to reopen the state several hours ahead of DeWine. Businesses can open starting Friday, May 1 with workers wearing masks and changes for social distancing such as increasing space between tables and checkout lines.
Democrats who are concerned about a second coronavirus outbreak are urging a slower reopening.
COLUMBUS (FOX19) Ohio House Speaker Larry Householder issued a statement Monday night criticizing Gov. Mike DeWine’s administration for ordering small businesses closed during the coronavirus pandemic while larger ones have been allowed to remain open and profit.
“There is a tremendous amount of frustration from the majority of members in the Ohio House regarding the Administration’s unwillingness to recognize that small businesses that have much less daily traffic in their stores are closed while their large chain competitors have been open throughout the process," said Householder, R-Glenford.
"As long as small retailers continue to be shut down while national chains are allowed to remain open, government is assisting in the demise of many great small businesses. The big get bigger and the small go away. The House has asked to work with the Administration to come up with common sense solutions to resolve this, but have been met with deaf ears.
“Ohio’s three branches of government are to be separate but equal. Our members feel disrespected that their opinions have been largely disregarded by the Administration,” Householder said. "The Ohio House has announced they are resuming on May 4 and Republican members are anxious to deal with these issues in person rather than via telephone.”
On Monday morning, a group of 33 GOP legislators rolled out a plan called Open Ohio Responsibly Framework to reopen the state several hours ahead of DeWine. Businesses can open starting Friday, May 1 with workers wearing masks and changes for social distancing such as increasing space between tables and checkout lines.
Democrats who are concerned about a second coronavirus outbreak are urging a slower reopening.
I have no idea what 5G is about. I'm about afraid of that as I am the Big, Bad, Bug.
It's the frequency of 5g that causes the virus. That's why they measure the frequency in "hurts".
We shall see. I haven't seen anybody but Georgia who seems to be doing anything "too fast"
We will know in three weeks. The question will become, what is a "surge" that we have to "control"?
Don't forget, the goal of "social distancing" was supposed to be keeping hospitals from being overrun and having to ration care. Nobody besides NYC ever got close to that. NYC didn't even have to ration care and never ran out of ventilators or ppe.. etc...
I wear one now in Kroger out of respect for the elderly and health compromised, and for others who wear tin foil hats. I don't in Lowes, Total Wine, or Target, however, come May 11th, we will probably have to if stores require it to shop there.
So...you're welcome.
We're all in favor of you staying in guarantine much, much longer. In fact moving to another state in you're still in KY is another great option for you.
Its past time. Enough of the insanity. The pverwhelming majority of people are or will be completely fine, or will contract it and recover in short order. The finite number of people that are susceptible, Im sorry, but keep your butt at home. 95% of people being put out for 5% just makes zero sense when its impacting our economy in this way.
That being said, I think weve done a lot of good preventing needless deaths of loved ones and Im for that. Not trying to sound callous. But when you look at the fatality risk and whos at risk, common sense measures need to be taken to protect them going forward but at some point the will of the majority needs to outweigh the needs of the minority.
I liken it to our standing and cheering arguments. If you dont want to stand and cheer, then stay home. Its not Broadway or Cinemark or the Opera House. Its a football game. Same with this stuff. I dont blame you if you dont want to be stuck inside. But the rest of us are tired of this stuff, and at some point being considerate needs to go both ways. Have groceries delivered to your house. Etc. Weve got to open the economy back up and get businesses rolling again.
That being said, I think weve done a lot of good preventing needless deaths of loved ones and Im for that. Not trying to sound callous. But when you look at the fatality risk and whos at risk, common sense measures need to be taken to protect them going forward but at some point the will of the majority needs to outweigh the needs of the minority.
I liken it to our standing and cheering arguments. If you dont want to stand and cheer, then stay home. Its not Broadway or Cinemark or the Opera House. Its a football game. Same with this stuff. I dont blame you if you dont want to be stuck inside. But the rest of us are tired of this stuff, and at some point being considerate needs to go both ways. Have groceries delivered to your house. Etc. Weve got to open the economy back up and get businesses rolling again.
