IHSA: Statement regarding incident from Friday's Neuqua Valley at Waubonsie Valley game

[Anon1754760634]

Bottom line is two NV players and one WV player are suspended


CRAIG ANDERSON, IHSA EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR:

“The IHSA staff has worked with the administrations of Neuqua Valley High School and Waubonsie Valley High School to address the altercation that occurred during the varsity football contest on Friday, September 9. As a result, two student-athletes from Neuqua Valley and one student-athlete from Waubonsie Valley will be suspended for one varsity contest each, with the suspensions to be served on September 16. I understand that rivalry games can become heated, but it was clear to me after reviewing the film that the actions of these players escalated a contentious situation into a potentially dangerous one. While there were no ejections on the field that night by the game officials, I believe that was the result of the location of the altercation, which made it difficult to identify players and actions. I hope this situation serves as a learning experience for not only the players and coaches involved, but for all of our football teams around the state. Respect, composure and sportsmanship remain just as important as running, blocking and tackling on the field of play.”

 

[Sonap]

My guess

Robertson and Navarro

Robinson

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

And on Jeopardy that would be an incorrect answer. hope you didn't risk everything on the final Jeopardy Question.

Oh Edgy you are too good with the news scoops...... the can of worms you opened.... I can see all the board members with ties to WWS and NC drooling and trolling for the scoop and names. Could have at least made them have an annual subscription for the info and posted on Edgy Nation

 

[Sonap]

I just found out who the two NV players were.

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

then you know you lost in final Jeopardy?

 

[Sonap]

then you know you lost in final Jeopardy?

Yep. Good thing I bet $0

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

would be nice to Keep em' guessing on all three kids. Problem is the thing went viral on that dang fangled twitter. I don't even have a twitter account and I saw it on twitter (don't ask me how ). Anyone watching it can see the jersey numbers of NV players so can make good educated guesses there. Harder with the WV guys as one is buried by 6 NV players and the others coming into the scrum to rescue him... you don't see their jersey #'s in the angle that is on twitter (most are the WV linemen). . .

The IHSA are old dudes (even from my advanced years perspective) - I'm sure they can't even remember who they selected out of the scrum. They wanted to make a statement and an example and they made it... they don't necessarily need it fully visible 3 days before the game to ensure it's impact. It will be heard loud and clear on Saturday as I'm sure the message is directed at all coaches and players in the state. The select few at the two games Friday nite will quickly figure it out then.

 

[illini14]

would be nice to Keep em' guessing on all three kids. Problem is the thing went viral on that dang fangled twitter. I don't even have a twitter account and I saw it on twitter (don't ask me how ). Anyone watching it can see the jersey numbers of NV players so can make good educated guesses there. Harder with the WV guys as one is buried by 6 NV players and the others coming into the scrum to rescue him... you don't see their jersey #'s in the angle that is on twitter (most are the WV linemen). . .

The IHSA are old dudes (even from my advanced years perspective) - I'm sure they can't even remember who they selected out of the scrum. They wanted to make a statement and an example and they made it... they don't necessarily need it fully visible 3 days before the game to ensure it's impact. It will be heard loud and clear on Saturday as I'm sure the message is directed at all coaches and players in the state. The select few at the two games Friday nite will quickly figure it out then.

It's already out in the Tribune, not much guessing.

And all three should be suspended. Right move by the IHSA. All three should have been tossed at half, and Robertson should have been tossed regardless two plays later when he through the ball at Robinson on the last play of the half after his INT.

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

I cant believe they listed out names of Minor's in a disciplinary related article. Im going online now to check it out. Maybe the NV players are already 18.. i'm not sure what their ages are.

yes - the situation was ugly. I agree something needed to be done as that was unacceptable. I know I am biased - but awfully tough to "turn the other cheek" when you are getting attacked from both sides...shoved and manhandled by a guy to your front and to your back. What no right to defend yourself? I guess we live in a VERY BLUE STATE so I guess not.

I guess if the WV player just took the shoves and fell to the ground, rolled up in the fetal position and begged "mia culpa" he could have just got up after the refs eventually got there and taken the 15 yards and play would resume. Unfortunately - he is a football player and not a kicker/punter as that's what all good Kickers and Punters would do to get the extra 15 for the team!! The soccer guys are the best! they have flopping down to an art even at the high school and U18 club level

 

[Anon1754760634]

Yeah I've very interested how they got those out of the schools...or maybe went around and called kids? Either way not a big fan of that so....

 

[BretEpic]

Holy crap those are big names...

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

Holy crap those are big names...

I think that is part of "the statement" the IHSA wanted to make. Just my opinion. Personally, I don't think any WV player should have been suspended - but NV would probably cry foul if only their players got suspended and the double bonus is "the statement" it makes with 3 starting players from both schools. "Doesn't matter who started it... If you get involved in it - you will be sitting".

That situation could have escalated into a full blown disaster and the IHSA knows it....

So - back to the voodoo flopping theory - if someone stares at you cross eyed and/ or pushes you... Fall down in agony and curl up in the fetal position and wait for the refs to save you. Problem is... Some of those refs don't move so well anymore... Might be waiting along time and bad things can happen by the time they get over there.

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

Yeah I've very interested how they got those out of the schools...or maybe went around and called kids? Either way not a big fan of that so....

I am definitely not a fan of it. In terms of how,...I could hazard a guess,... But I won't because I really don't know.

The articles in the Napervile Sun and Aurora Beacon News were pretty detailed and had quotes from both Head Coaches and at least one player.

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

Great job Tribune...on a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being best in class) you guys get a 0.5 for effort on the back end.

You release online articles in your feeder papers Naperville Sun and Aurora Beacon news with detailed info - quotes and names of minor aged players in a displinary related article WHERE the IHSA refused to release the names and you used those names anyway THEN you retract and omit the names from the actual printed articles that are in the physical delivered paper this morning.

Someone needs to review the video in your editing department and issue some more suspensions.

I just did my edits on my posts to remove names that were released yesterday afternoon online

Kudos to the Daily Hearld for doing it right both online and in the physical paper.

Boo Hiss to the Tribune. Looks like I'm dumping the Trib and going to a new solo subscription of the Daily Hearld.

Someone screwed the pooch on this one Tribune... I wouldnt want to be you guys if someone wanted to pursue this further.....

 

[mchsalumni]

Great job Tribune...on a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being best in class) you guys get a 0.5 for effort on the back end.

You release online articles in your feeder papers Naperville Sun and Aurora Beacon news with detailed info - quotes and names of minor players in a displinary related article WHERE the IHSA refused to release the names and you used those names anyway THEN you retract and omit the names from the actual printed articles that are in the physical delivered paper this morning.

Someone needs to review the video in your editing department and issue some more suspensions.

I just did my edits on my posts to remove names that were released yesterday afternoon online

Kudos to the Daily Hearld for doing it right both online and in the physical paper.

Boo Hiss to the Tribune. Looks like I'm dumping the Trib and going to a new solo subscription of the Daily Hearld.

Someone screwed the pooch on this one Tribune... I wouldnt want to be you guys if someone wanted to pursue this further.....

A little dramatic this morning, huh?

And who actually has subscriptions to local papers?

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

A little dramatic this morning, huh?

And who actually has subscriptions to local papers?

Yes

If it was my kid named in the discipline article I would be making some "inquiries" this morning. Perhaps they should put out online an apology for the error? Maybe they have already - I wil check later and see.

I do but soon to be not with the Trib. I know I am an endangered species. I like an actual physical paper.

 

[mchsalumni]

Yes

If it was my kid named in the discipline article I would be making some "inquiries" this morning. Perhaps they should put out online an apology for the error?

If it were my kid I'd be whipping his *** for getting tossed and acting the idiot in a football game. Let's keep our eye on the ball, shall we?

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

If it were my kid I'd be whipping his *** for getting tossed and acting the idiot in a football game. Let's keep our eye on the ball, shall we?

That goes without saying. But that's not the point. They refused to release the names for good reasons MCHS.

 

[jwarigaku]

Completely disagree, it's time for ALL people to learn, regardless of age, that there are repercussions for your actions, and you must take responsiblity for those actions. I personally know all of these boys and they are good kids that are also very smart, but seems like they let their emotions get the best of them. They will all learn from this and while it may not seem fair that their information was released its life as a high profile player where they are headed.

That goes without saying. But that's not the point. They refused to release the names for good reasons MCHS.

 

[Thedoctor50]

If you get your name in the paper for playing football, you get your name in the paper for being suspended from a football game.

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

If you get your name in the paper for playing football, you get your name in the paper for being suspended from a football game.

Wow that's fantastic logic Doc.

So - Let's say the Naperville Sun does a feel good story on new Chrome books or whatever in the schools. they quote one of the fantastic students who is a standout and very visible scholar on the exciting event and picture in the paper and all that good stuff. yea - nice!!

BUT THEN.... the hormones kick in and that same young person does something stupid... they break into my garage and steal all my beer... unfortunately they get caught because my neighbor is a policeman and we stumbled across the heinous crime in process because we ran out of beer and were going to the garage to get more. Does the Naperville Sun crime report section in the local paper - list out that minor's name, charge, and eventual punishment? most times that is a NO.

I'm not going to even bother to debate this any further and will say..."agree to disagree"

Doc can you write me a script for some valium please? Either that or I need a drink and it's only 4pm.

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

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Completely disagree, it's time for ALL people to learn, regardless of age, that there are repercussions for your actions, and you must take responsiblity for those actions. I personally know all of these boys and they are good kids that are also very smart, but seems like they let their emotions get the best of them. They will all learn from this and while it may not seem fair that their information was released its life as a high profile player where they are headed.

I have no issue with College kids that have the positive spotlight to also get the negative spotlight. Totally agree with you on that. if you want to be a public figure via any mode (athlete, acting, politics) you will have both the good spotlight and bad spotlight at the speed of the internet.

My issue is with HS students - this is their time to learn those skills and how to take ownership and accountability and deal with those "difficult" situations..

If no one released the names - each could have taken control of the situation in their own way and choice and also the communication and learned to take ownership of the mistake. sure - the paper could publish it the following week when it was visible and public knowledge for all to see on Friday night.

I wouldn't expect the minor scuffle to have any lasting impacts - but some institutions value Honor and Integrity more so than others and in my opinion it's always better to be upfront, open, and honest with these things but over everything else YOU be the one to communicate it versus people reading about it in the papers and on twitter first.

 

[Nape]

I'm not surprised that suspensions came. Both teams were amped up from the get go and rightfully so. This game every year is that way.

That being said, you need to keep your cool. There is no excuse for the way the Neuqua bench acted (and I am a Neuqua dad).

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

I'm not surprised that suspensions came. Both teams were amped up from the get go and rightfully so. This game every year is that way.

That being said, you need to keep your cool. There is no excuse for the way the Neuqua bench acted (and I am a Neuqua dad).

Im with you Buck. I have no problem with what the IHSA did - my issue is the release of the names within 24 hours of the IHSA ruling (the IHSA itself refused to release the names) which doesn't give the kids much time to "take ownership" and get in front of it and be the ones to communicate it. The papers took that learning opportunity away from them.

 

[Nape]

Im with you Buck. I have no problem with what the IHSA did - my issue is the release of the names within 24 hours of the IHSA ruling (the IHSA itself refused to release the names) which doesn't give the kids much time "take ownership" and get in front of it and be the ones to communicate it. The papers took that learning opportunity away from them.

I'm shocked....shocked, I'll tell ya.

 

[jwarigaku]

And we wonder as a society why kids feel entitled and no need to be responsible. Voodoo, it's time to sack up and know that every action you take as a minor or adult has consequences that you will be judged on. If your neighbor kids steel you beer kick their *** and make them pay restitution and make a big deal of it so it doesn't break down into bigger problems down the road.

Above all STOP MAKING EXCUSES!

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I have no issue with College kids that have the positive spotlight to also get the negative spotlight. Totally agree with you on that. if you want to be a public figure via any mode (athlete, acting, politics) you will have both the good spotlight and bad spotlight at the speed of the internet.

My issue is with HS students - this is their time to learn those skills and how to take ownership and accountability and deal with those "difficult" situations..

If no one released the names - each could have taken control of the situation in their own way and choice and also the communication and learned to take ownership of the mistake. sure - the paper could publish it the following week when it was visible and public knowledge for all to see on Friday night.

I wouldn't expect the minor scuffle to have any lasting impacts - but some institutions value Honor and Integrity more so than others and in my opinion it's always better to be upfront, open, and honest with these things but over everything else YOU be the one to communicate it versus people reading about it in the papers and on twitter first.

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

And we wonder as a society why kids feel entitled and no need to be responsible. Voodoo, it's time to sack up and know that every action you take as a minor or adult has consequences that you will be judged on. If your neighbor kids steel you beer kick their *** and make them pay restitution and make a big deal of it so it does break down into bigger problems down the road.

Above all STOP MAKING EXCUSES!

Where in any of my above posts am I making any excuses for them?

The issue and disagreement is in how to handle it. People can disagree - I won't lose any sleep over it.

The beer stealing was a hypothetical example. No one took my beer.

Kick their asses? I was taught (and am of the opinion) that you only defend yourself as a last resort. Usually it's the guys that are quiet and try to avoid physical confrontations where possible that are the scariest and most dangerous when given no choice. Bellicose bully types are usually not much of an issue once you face them and pop them a few times

You are definitely a piece of work Jwar - I will give you that.

Nite.

 

[jwarigaku]

Voodoo,

Not wanting to post their names is like pretending it didn't happen. Knowing that their family name could be in big print may help them understand. People need to start remembering how important their name and reputation of their family is. It's funny that in today's world while people question why today's youth largely lack respect of authority we remain afraid to use good old fashion paddling(capital punishment in schools) of the past. You wanna question my thoughts that's fine, it's not about bullying it's about teaching responsibility and respect.

Finally you've been here since May of this year take a seat and earn your stripes.

By the way I like WV and the way Coach Murphy coaches and supports his players from both an academic and athletic standpoint.

Where in any of my above posts am I making any excuses for them?

The issue and disagreement is in how to handle it. People can disagree - I won't lose any sleep over it.

The beer stealing was a hypothetical example. No one took my beer.

Kick their asses? I was taught (and am of the opinion) that you only defend yourself as a last resort. Usually it's the guys that are quiet and try to avoid physical confrontations where possible that are the scariest and most dangerous when given no choice. Bellicose bully types are usually not much of an issue once you face them and pop them a few times

You are definitely a piece of work Jwar - I will give you that.

Nite.

 

[Quags22]

Jwarigaku,

I completely disagree with you on this. I don't see any need to print this in the paper.

Why should I go out of my way to embarrass a kid and his family?

I have had plenty of opportunities in my nearly 40-years as a HS writer and I have sat on many, many stories. I have seen quite a few of those kids later in life and most of them are doing just fine.

These players are being held accountable for their actions by being suspended. Their friends know. Their family knows. Most likely, the whole school knows.

So why should we in the media embarrass them by printing their names in the paper? One scarlet letter is enough. They don't need me to give them a second one.

I try to remember that these are HS kids and they do lots and lots and lots of stupid things.

You should too.

 

[SiuCubFan8]

If it were my kid I'd be whipping his *** for getting tossed and acting the idiot in a football game. Let's keep our eye on the ball, shall we?

Yup!!!

 

[eireog]

Jwarigaku,

I completely disagree with you on this. I don't see any need to print this in the paper.

Why should I go out of my way to embarrass a kid and his family?

I have had plenty of opportunities in my nearly 40-years as a HS writer and I have sat on many, many stories. I have seen quite a few of those kids later in life and most of them are doing just fine.

These players are being held accountable for their actions by being suspended. Their friends know. Their family knows. Most likely, the whole school knows.

So why should we in the media embarrass them by printing their names in the paper? One scarlet letter is enough. They don't need me to give them a second one.

I try to remember that these are HS kids and they do lots and lots and lots of stupid things.

You should too.

I agree. I think posting minors names regarding discipline is tacky. What's to stop papers from printing the names of kids picked up at a beer bash or other misdemeanor offenses. Things like this should be handled by the parents and school officials.

If I'm correct most news outlets don't release the names of minors involved in felony cases. I'm not sure if that's the law or just to respect the privacy of the minors involved. Maybe some of our legal and media members could enlighten us in this ?

 

[jwarigaku]

What a bunch of bleeding hearts. This is a big part of the reason society as a whole feels it's okay to go ahead and do stupid or questionable nonsense. With the fear of getting you name published maybe some respect will be restored.

I agree. I think posting minors names regarding discipline is tacky. What's to stop papers from printing the names of kids picked up at a beer bash or other misdemeanor offenses. Things like this should be handled by the parents and school officials.

If I'm correct most news outlets don't release the names of minors involved in felony cases. I'm not sure if that's the law or just to respect the privacy of the minors involved. Maybe some of our legal and media members could enlighten us in this ?

 

[eireog]

What a bunch of bleeding hearts. This is a big part of the reason society as a whole feels it's okay to go ahead and do stupid or questionable nonsense. With the fear of getting you name published maybe some respect will be restored.

I'm far from a bleeding heart liberal. I don't think printing the kids names in the paper is right in the circumstance at issue and other ones I brought up. It's quite a leap from believing minors names shouldn't be printed to this is the problem with society feeling it's ok to do stupid and questionable things. I think there's a flaw in your logic sir.

 

[crusader_of_90]

When ESL was forfeited out of the playoffs because of a player with some legal issues - a felony charge with a bracelet... Registered at an out of district address... Kid's name was in the headline.

Other instances of publishing names too would be easy with a Google search, but it's certainly not unheard of. I believe "public figure" extends to minor athletes.

 

[crusader_of_90]

Besides, if they kids had been ejected, that would have made the game report in the media. Not too different.

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

I covered a girls sectional semifinal 10 plus years ago. A player from the losing team rebounded a ball and put it in the wrong basket - for the game winning bucket. I chose not to print the young ladies name. She was devistated. Inconsolable. Why further embarrass a high school teenager by putting their name in lights? How does that benefit the woman in the long run?

By the way, this kid just graduated from the Ivy League with honors.

What's the benefit of reason why the kids names should be printed? Ok so we know their names, now what?

 

[jwarigaku]

LCN,

And yet you felt it absolutely fine to rip Beneventi about transferring and not playing well a couple of years ago at Fenwick. A little hypocritical perhaps?

I covered a girls sectional semifinal 10 plus years ago. A player from the losing team rebounded a ball and put it in the wrong basket - for the game winning bucket. I chose not to print the young ladies name. She was devistated. Inconsolable. Why further embarrass a high school teenager by putting their name in lights? How does that benefit the woman in the long run?

By the way, this kid just graduated from the Ivy League with honors.

What's the benefit of reason why the kids names should be printed? Ok so we know their names, now what?

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

LCN,

And yet you felt it absolutely fine to rip Beneventi about transferring and not playing well a couple of years ago at Fenwick. A little hypocritical perhaps?

Wasn't his NAME already in print? Hey like normal, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Answer the question what is the benefit to naming these kids?

 

[jwarigaku]

LCN,

Like I said I know the kids and the families and they are smart kids from good families. All that said they screwed up and need to be accountable. If you go to the Twitter feed that posted the video this action was being glorified by kids and this is exactly why the names need to be published...to see its not acceptable and perhaps prevent it from happening again even at the expense of embarrassing the player.

To your point about Beneventi's name being in print, so we're the young men that were in the middle of this mess, but why let the facts get in the way...right!?

Wasn't his NAME already in print? Hey like normal, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Answer the question what is the benefit to naming these kids?

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

I didn't print the kids names and wouldn't have but I guess that point got missed to. I wouldn't have printed the names in the paper..

Did the Beneventi kid get suspended? Don't see how that correlates but by if you need to reach - do what you Have to do

Especially since there doesn't seem to be a kid playing HS football that you don't know, haven't met or hung with their parents.

My kid plays HS football guess he doesn't rate for you to meet and hang with him yet. Lol