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Welcome to the demented world of capnbill.

As stated in another thread that had exhausted many, this is my IHSA Super Bowl concept. I write this now because I have too much nervous energy to continue to run the GW/LA scenarios any longer.

For Football Only playoffs moving forward, IHSA have 4 separate Publics / Privates classes with the winners of each class being able to claim State Champion - Public and State Champion - Private.

On the Public side, we have 4 -32 team classes. It plays out like it does today with Publics in the higher classes as many large 8A schools and a few current 7A or "play up by choice" teams populate the 4A class. Most of current 6A and 7A combine into new 3A with lower classes combining into a bottom two. I will do the math later, but think this kind of combination doesn't cause too many mismatches. Use one of the computer ranking systems (I personally like Massey) to providing seeding after the playoff field has been determined. Classes based on enrollment. Qualification based on wins and opponents wins as this is at least unbiased in theory.

On the Private side, you probably don't have 128 schools to make up 4 -32 team classes, so you guys play an extra regular season game or Prep Bowl or whatever you want to call it. The Publics shouldn't even care how you guys classify yourselves. Oh sure we would all want the total Privates divided by something logical, but really, all we care about is that you send four champs to the Super Bowl that represent relative size.

Super Bowl is played as a round 6 in playoffs meaning the week after Thanksgiving but only for 8 teams. Try to find an indoor facility and allow some sponsorship that covers the travel and support costs of the facility. At the field in question, rotate home/away each year but keep all publics and privates on the same side for all four games so the privates may steer clear of the unwashed masses.

I know know, what would we do with ourselves when we couldn't complain about how stacked, unbounded privates launched poor little publics in round two because of their unfair recruiting practices. But think of how much fun it would be watching all the privates adjust their enrollments to avoid being classified with LA or SHG. Delicious
 
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capnbillhitters said:
Welcome to the demented world of capnbill.

As stated in another thread that had exhausted many, this is my IHSA Super Bowl concept. I write this now because I have too much nervous energy to continue to run the GW/LA scenarios any longer.

For Football Only playoffs moving forward, IHSA have 4 separate Publics / Privates classes with the winners of each class being able to claim State Champion - Public and State Champion - Private.

On the Public side, we have 4 -32 team classes. It plays out like it does today with Publics in the higher classes as many large 8A schools and a few current 7A or "play up by choice" teams populate the 4A class. Most of current 6A and 7A combine into new 3A with lower classes combining into a bottom two. I will do the math later, but think this kind of combination doesn't cause too many mismatches. Use one of the computer ranking systems (I personally like Massey) to providing seeding after the playoff field has been determined. Classes based on enrollment. Qualification based on wins and opponents wins as this is at least unbiased in theory.

On the Private side, you probably don't have 128 schools to make up 4 -32 team classes, so you guys play an extra regular season game or Prep Bowl or whatever you want to call it. The Publics shouldn't even care how you guys classify yourselves. Oh sure we would all want the total Privates divided by something logical, but really, all we care about is that you send four champs to the Super Bowl that represent relative size.

Super Bowl is played as a round 6 in playoffs meaning the week after Thanksgiving but only for 8 teams. Try to find an indoor facility and allow some sponsorship that covers the travel and support costs of the facility. At the field in question, rotate home/away each year but keep all publics and privates on the same side for all four games so the privates may steer clear of the unwashed masses.

I know know, what would we do with ourselves when we couldn't complain about how stacked, unbounded privates launched poor little publics in round two because of their unfair recruiting practices. But think of how much fun it would be watching all the privates adjust their enrollments to avoid being classified with LA or SHG. Delicious
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What indoor facility in Illinois would be able to accommodate a regulation field? Indianapolis or Milwaukee are the closest indoor venues I can think of.

I like the opportunity for private and public schools to square off in a title game. Like that a lot.

Don't like not being able to launch larger (not poor little) public schools in round two, though.
 
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Be a cool idea, though be too many complaining about only 4 public classes
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I hear you but 8 is too many and without the privates, four just seems like the right fit. Who knows...maybe you have four classes and one Super Class for five total, where you put the all the biggest schools and the ones like ESL that want to be measured against the best.
 
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What indoor facility in Illinois would be able to accommodate a regulation field? Indianapolis or Milwaukee are the closest indoor venues I can think of.

I like the opportunity for private and public schools to square off in a title game. Like that a lot.

Don't like not being able to launch larger (not poor little) public schools in round two, though.
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LA is always launching larger schools anyway if we stick to pure enrollment. ;)

I would say the Super Bowl could be played in Indy as that field is roughly 3-4 hours from everywhere. Maybe rotate in Milwaukee every other year, but that would be less fair to the southern schools.
 
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We would rotate the fields North and South and try to get in a dome if possible.

Plenty of viable options if folks are worried about playing in Dec. TV coverage would be outstanding and the fan bases would actually be more motivated as each team is representing something more than just the students and families of the participating schools.

Statewide pride in your chosen system would be on the line. A real us vs them scenario.

Huge ratings
 
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HHSTigerFan said:
Play it at SIU, travel would suck but usually 10-15 degrees warmer
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siu field is very nice place for a football game. and is recently new. the facilities are really nice and yes the weather is always nicer. as said before, I don't mind the travel if the venue is cool. and as being part of a few tail gates there recently. gotta say, they know how to throw a party.
 
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Since I didn't take hours thinking this through, I reserve the right to update periodically with new rules.

Main Rule for Classification - Classes are determined by Conference. Conferences are aligned to classes by historical performance including such factors as out of conference records, prior year playoff performance and enrollment. Use Massey or other computer source as a tie breaker on pushing conferences up or down. This would have everyone know their class going into the season.

Reason for rule is to get the CPS schools out of the higher class. Higher class should be reserved for 30 power conference schools with the highest record and 2 school wishing to petition up. If no schools petition up, all 32 go to the power conferences. This rule would sweep ESL into the higher class based on their conference, but if the overall playoff performance of the conference declines, that Conf would drop back down to Power -1, and ESL could petition up if they desire.

This rule would keep a school like GW, who plays in an 8A conference in the higher class every year, which is appropriate.

If schools want to dodge the higher Class, they can join up with other schools and shoot for a lower class affiliation.

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capnbillhitters said:
Since I didn't take hours thinking this through, I reserve the right to update periodically with new rules.

Main Rule for Classification - Classes are determined by Conference. Conferences are aligned to classes by historical performance including such factors as out of conference records, prior year playoff performance and enrollment. Use Massey or other computer source as a tie breaker on pushing conferences up or down. This would have everyone know their class going into the season.

Reason for rule is to get the CPS schools out of the higher class. Higher class should be reserved for 30 power conference schools with the highest record and 2 school wishing to petition up. If no schools petition up, all 32 go to the power conferences. This rule would sweep ESL into the higher class based on their conference, but if the overall playoff performance of the conference declines, that Conf would drop back down to Power -1, and ESL could petition up if they desire.

This rule would keep a school like GW, who plays in an 8A conference in the higher class every year, which is appropriate.

If schools want to dodge the higher Class, they can join up with other schools and shoot for a lower class affiliation.

Fantasy is fun
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but in reality, it can be attained with very little effort. and while these playoffs are going on the remaining teams will play cross conference teams for rankings within their respective tiers.
4tiers in a north/south/east/west division.
 
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The gentleman from Da Brook suggests we create an imbalanced Public v Private in another thread.

So in an effort to create harmony, I suggest we create 5 Publics and 3 Privates. The bottom two Publics are too small for the bowls so they can finish in week 14. Besides, the multiplier already bumps the smallest Privates above them anyway, correct?

That creates a Super Bowl Saturday that starts at 1pm and finishes at 9:30pm with Class 3A, 4A and 5A.

The best 8.5 hours of football money can buy.
 
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capnbillhitters said:
Main Rule for Classification - Classes are determined by Conference. Conferences are aligned to classes by historical performance including such factors as out of conference records, prior year playoff performance and enrollment. Use Massey or other computer source as a tie breaker on pushing conferences up or down. This would have everyone know their class going into the season.

Reason for rule is to get the CPS schools out of the higher class. Higher class should be reserved for 30 power conference schools with the highest record and 2 school wishing to petition up. If no schools petition up, all 32 go to the power conferences. This rule would sweep ESL into the higher class based on their conference, but if the overall playoff performance of the conference declines, that Conf would drop back down to Power -1, and ESL could petition up if they desire.
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Classification based on historical performance? For reasons known only to Bones, he hasn't told you how stupid and unworkable that is. Whenever I float the idea, he pitches a fit.
 
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Classification based on historical performance? For reasons known only to Bones, he hasn't told you how stupid and unworkable that is. Whenever I float the idea, he pitches a fit.
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So not to open that can of worms too much, but by separating publics from privates you reduce most of the noise.

When you look at some conferences, they are obvious. DVC, WSS MSW, SWS go to top class 5A.

Now let's look at Big 12 (Normal, Peroia) and you do the math and put them in 5A. The first two years they qualify 3-4 teams each year, but win zero playoff games, you would consider dropping them to 4A. This is part of the factor. the other part would be "has a team from this conference won a state title in last 2-3 years." Call this the GW rule. This protects a power school from playing in a conference that fails to perform in post-season, then being dropped. It wouldn't take much to split up by conference including conferences that have public and private.

Now over on the Private side, you guys come up with new arcane ways to split the population into three classes. As long as you don't land MC in 4A or Provie in 3A, everyone is fine. What you guys would get is three tiers of schools which should be fine. If you lay them all out, I would imagine there is a natural split into three equal sized fields.
 
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Lol

Differences between cap's and ramblinman's

Cap isnt really suggesting it, hes just playing with ideas to keep his mind off of the upcoming

He isnt talking about a competitive class, simply that conference determines class which is an infinitely better idea than trying to guess which 2A public should play MC because their regular season scores say the game should be competitive

Cap doesnt suggest this would weed out blowouts

And finally......you admit that your "formula" is classification/seeding based on reputation which of course is awful. But had you come out and said that how could I argue against it? Id still be able to tear it apart, but no actual reasonable argument would be needed.

Rochester in the top class? Why not?
 
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Lol

Differences between cap's and ramblinman's

Cap isnt really suggesting it, hes just playing with ideas to keep his mind off of the upcoming

He isnt talking about a competitive class, simply that conference determines class which is an infinitely better idea than trying to guess which 2A public should play MC because their regular season scores say the game should be competitive
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"Conferences are aligned to classes by historical performance including such factors as out of conference records, prior year playoff performance and enrollment."
 
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