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We still do not think Stoops is the guy. We are happy for our players on this win. And they deserve props. Yeah it was against one of the worst offenses in the country but we had one of the worst D's, its a little progress.

In year 4 we should be looking to beat someone besides Vandy or USCjr. It is pretty clear Vandy may be our only other SEC win but its good for our players. This USCjr team will likely not win another SEC game, maybe 1 more win period, but its an SEC win that our players love. Next year under our new coach they will feel comfortable vs a Vandy(if we beat them) or a USCjr. Which is important for confidence.

I think everyone still feels the same about Stoops and still wants him gone but theres nothing wrong with being happy for our players.

Out coaching Steve Spurrier was pretty nice, but outcoaching USCjr with a horrifying offense lead by a FR QB and a new HC and coaching staff isnt. Ecspecially after 4 years and players all recruited by Stoops to fit his system. Benny Snell would still be getting only a couple carries if jojo wasnt out last week. Stoops didnt/doesnt impress anyone in the least.
 
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We still do not think Stoops is the guy. We are happy for our players on this win. And they deserve props. Yeah it was against one of the worst offenses in the country but we had one of the worst D's, its a little progress.

In year 4 we should be looking to beat someone besides Vandy or USCjr. It is pretty clear Vandy may be our only other SEC win but its good for our players. This USCjr team will likely not win another game, but its an SEC win that our players love. Next year under our new coach they will feel comfortable vs a Vandy(if we beat them) or a USCjr. Which is important for confidence.

I think everyone still feels the same about Stoops and still wants him gone but theres nothing wrong with being happy for our players.

If we were 3-1 everyone would say we are right on track. If we keep getting better each week then I am happy and so should we. First year OC, no defensive depth and we are looking now like I thought we should all along.
 

TTU/UK fan

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If we were 3-1 everyone would say we are right on track. If we keep getting better each week then I am happy and so should we. First year OC, no defensive depth and we are looking now like I thought we should all along.

So you expected us to have Stephen Johnson starting and a freshman RB racking up TDs? No, every team has problems but they work through them and adjust. If you want to find excuses, you can find one evry single year. All UK football ever is is "if". Which gets old. We are the 3rd worst in the SEC east, still. We barely beat a terrible USCjr team. This is the 3rd year running everyone goes crazy after the USCjr game only to be let down. Lets stay calm. This is a good win for our players but this isnt where an SEC team should be with a year 4 coach...Stoops stinks. Ask any college football fan, they will tell you the same.
 
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Fact is, we lost Hatchert, Meant, and Tubman.....That is huge. Stoops is not playing with much on Defense.
I do agree with this. I would even add the Provitt kid and the Hamilton kid who decommitted to Ohio St. If you add all those players , I think it would be an enormous boost . Having said that, I still think Stoops needs replaced.
 

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I was never 100% wanting Stoops gone but I've been leaning that way. Its still possible he turns this around. Unlikely but its possible. I saw progress tonight which is more than I can say in a while. USC is bad, but you're supposed to beat bad teams and we did.
 

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We still do not think Stoops is the guy. We are happy for our players on this win. And they deserve props. Yeah it was against one of the worst offenses in the country but we had one of the worst D's, its a little progress.

In year 4 we should be looking to beat someone besides Vandy or USCjr. It is pretty clear Vandy may be our only other SEC win but its good for our players. This USCjr team will likely not win another SEC game, maybe 1 more win period, but its an SEC win that our players love. Next year under our new coach they will feel comfortable vs a Vandy(if we beat them) or a USCjr. Which is important for confidence.

I think everyone still feels the same about Stoops and still wants him gone but theres nothing wrong with being happy for our players.
I'll go ahead and speak to the fools who think they know football.

First, USC is an SEC team full of SEC players. To downplay this win is self serving and disrespectful of the players on both sides of the ball. So you want to be happy for the players but not happy for the coaches?
If Stoops stays or goes will have nothing to do with you, or me, or any fan who thinks that anyone of importance cares what is said here.

These sites are for self important people who think they are way smarter than they really are and proves it with every post.

If you are going to be happy about a win include everyone including the coaches, and all the staff. They all work very hard and you should know that.
 

TTU/UK fan

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I'll go ahead and speak to the fools who think they know football.

First, USC is an SEC team full of SEC players. To downplay this win is self serving and disrespectful of the players on both sides of the ball. So you want to be happy for the players but not happy for the coaches?
If Stoops stays or goes will have nothing to do with you, or me, or any fan who thinks that anyone of importance cares what is said here.

These sites are for self important people who think they are way smarter than they really are and proves it with every post.

If you are going to be happy about a win include everyone including the coaches, and all the staff. They all work very hard and you should know that.

Yeah SEC teams do have SEC players, good point. They may be SEC players but a good amount arent SEC caliber. Us and USCjr have struggled vs non-power 5 programs.

And if you think the fans dont influence what happens to the coach, who is the real "fool"?

If you get a jitter out of wins vs bad teams, then thats all you, but in year 4 we should be expecting better. If you expect me to give the coaching staff credit because they play one good game against the same bottomfeeder team they have beaten the last 2 years then you are mistaken. Lets do this thing called progress.

You call people fools and say people think they are way smarter than they really are on here, which is probably true, but everything you said was just simple minded talk and didnt seem much brighter.

"Include everyone", no this isnt middle school, this is big boy football. Stoops obviously isnt fit for big boy football as a HC. I see people saying "oh its our first year with the OC and young defense". What the hell about SC's young offense and brand new HC and coaching staff?

I want a winning program and I will never feel bad or ashamed of that. And I will accept no less from a coach in year 4 with a whole team of players HE recruited.
 

TTU/UK fan

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So are you a Mike Leach fan or Tubby fan.

And who are "we"?

We are those with common sense and realize the opponent we played tonight was fairly sad (New HC, Staff, FR QB, horrifying offense). If you want Stoops back next year the way things are now then you may be a UK fan but you do not care all that much about UK football.

Stoops in year 4 beats a bad, young, team with a new coaching staff, FR QB, and unathletic team. And I am supposed to be impressed that Stoops was able to out coach them (barely)? Im not that easily amused.
 
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At this point the season is still young and more info is needed to determine Stoops' fate. We won an SEC game and looked OK in the process. Part of it was our D, part of it was South Carolina's putrid offense. That's why we can't cast judgement based on one game.

Still an uphill battle. In order to make a bowl we will either need to go 4-4 minimum in the SEC or beat Louisville. Either feat would be impressive for Stoops. Whether he gets to a bowl with a 4-4 conference record or a win over Louisville, I think he's earned the right to coach in 2017 (we can leave the buyout talk for another time).
 

Tskware

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I was never 100% wanting Stoops gone but I've been leaning that way. Its still possible he turns this around. Unlikely but its possible. I saw progress tonight which is more than I can say in a while. USC is bad, but you're supposed to beat bad teams and we did.

Yep, my take as well
 
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brianpoe

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At this point the season is still young and more info is needed to determine Stoops' fate. We won an SEC game and looked OK in the process. Part of it was our D, part of it was South Carolina's putrid offense. That's why we can't cast judgement based on one game.

Still an uphill battle. In order to make a bowl we will either need to go 4-4 minimum in the SEC or beat Louisville. Either feat would be impressive for Stoops. Whether he gets to a bowl with a 4-4 conference record or a win over Louisville, I think he's earned the right to coach in 2017 (we can leave the buyout talk for another time).


He gets to a bowl that would mean we actually have made solid improvement which is what the majority of us want to see.
 

JPFisher

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We need to see whatever changes Stoops made continued from here on out. If we can improve from now until Bammer at the same increment, we might not get blown out by more than 21.
 

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I don't see 4 more wins. Vandy, Austin Peay are games we can win. I don't see more than a split between Miss. state and Missouri. Bama, UT and UL are losses. Georgia is struggling but I don't see a win here. The season may ride on that away game at Missouri.
 

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I don't see 4 more wins. Vandy, Austin Peay are games we can win. I don't see more than a split between Miss. state and Missouri. Bama, UT and UL are losses. Georgia is struggling but I don't see a win here. The season may ride on that away game at Missouri.


We dont do well when we absolutely, positively have to win one more...

My hopes are not high yet.
 

K_TIME

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I was never 100% wanting Stoops gone but I've been leaning that way. Its still possible he turns this around. Unlikely but its possible. I saw progress tonight which is more than I can say in a while. USC is bad, but you're supposed to beat bad teams and we did.
Totally agree!

- The season isn't lost to me until we lose to Vandy, Mizzou or Miss St (maybe UGA) which is our path to a bowl season.
- We're playing to not throw up a 3-9 season and lose important kids like Bohanna, Alex King, Javonte Richardson, Ajain, Hoskins, etc... who are the future kids we need to upgrade the DT, DE, outside WR spots. (If we throw up 2-3 wins...those kids will leave for sure)
- It was nice to see Pringle/Alvonte Bell make some plays in the tackle box...we literally had no production vs. SO Miss and UF at the NG and DE spots.
- It was nice to see Mike Edwards start to play and cover like the bigtime safety his reputation had coming from HS...the kid has come a mile since the first 2 games.
- Seeing Boom get 15+ touches is so refreshing as he's our best player (maybe Jordan Jones) vs. Dawson's goofy Boom/Horton/JoJo getting equal carries last year.

I'm happy to see UK beat a bad SEC team...that is what we should do. And think there is hope for the last half of our season. We can deal with Stoops status in the offseason.
 

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We still do not think Stoops is the guy. We are happy for our players on this win. And they deserve props. Yeah it was against one of the worst offenses in the country but we had one of the worst D's, its a little progress.

In year 4 we should be looking to beat someone besides Vandy or USCjr. It is pretty clear Vandy may be our only other SEC win but its good for our players. This USCjr team will likely not win another SEC game, maybe 1 more win period, but its an SEC win that our players love. Next year under our new coach they will feel comfortable vs a Vandy(if we beat them) or a USCjr. Which is important for confidence.

I think everyone still feels the same about Stoops and still wants him gone but theres nothing wrong with being happy for our players.

Out coaching Steve Spurrier was pretty nice, but outcoaching USCjr with a horrifying offense lead by a FR QB and a new HC and coaching staff isnt. Ecspecially after 4 years and players all recruited by Stoops to fit his system. Benny Snell would still be getting only a couple carries if jojo wasnt out last week. Stoops didnt/doesnt impress anyone in the least.

Would agree - it was six wins or bust for me with one caveat. If we win 5, and finish strong, I would give him one more year. Until last night, I was 6 or bust. But maybe, just maybe, Stoops has realized he has to make a change at DC and he does have some other quality coaches that he can let do their thing and he do his thing and we can win. Meanwhile, a former player is gaining much needed head coaching experience and is improving his case every week in all areas of being a head coach. The future still can look bright - it is just a matter of who leads us - will it be Stoops or someone else?

Go Big Blue!
 

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Would agree - it was six wins or bust for me with one caveat. If we win 5, and finish strong, I would give him one more year. Until last night, I was 6 or bust. But maybe, just maybe, Stoops has realized he has to make a change at DC and he does have some other quality coaches that he can let do their thing and he do his thing and we can win. Meanwhile, a former player is gaining much needed head coaching experience and is improving his case every week in all areas of being a head coach. The future still can look bright - it is just a matter of who leads us - will it be Stoops or someone else?

Go Big Blue!


Most likely scenario. No changes would've been made without some injuries. We would've rode Barker to an 0-4 record. Our win against NMST would've most likely been a loss because Barker isn't an option style QB. We were very effective with the run option package for Johnson. It opened up the field for the passing game. Dont give the staff credit for falling on a four leaf clover.
 
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Yeah SEC teams do have SEC players, good point. They may be SEC players but a good amount arent SEC caliber. Us and USCjr have struggled vs non-power 5 programs.

And if you think the fans dont influence what happens to the coach, who is the real "fool"?

If you get a jitter out of wins vs bad teams, then thats all you, but in year 4 we should be expecting better. If you expect me to give the coaching staff credit because they play one good game against the same bottomfeeder team they have beaten the last 2 years then you are mistaken. Lets do this thing called progress.

You call people fools and say people think they are way smarter than they really are on here, which is probably true, but everything you said was just simple minded talk and didnt seem much brighter.

"Include everyone", no this isnt middle school, this is big boy football. Stoops obviously isnt fit for big boy football as a HC. I see people saying "oh its our first year with the OC and young defense". What the hell about SC's young offense and brand new HC and coaching staff?

I want a winning program and I will never feel bad or ashamed of that. And I will accept no less from a coach in year 4 with a whole team of players HE recruited.

I'm not a sunshine pumper, and usually agree with a lot you post, but you mentioned progress....ummmm...look at the defensive stats from last night. This is the first time this season they have looked close to being a complete team....that my friend is called progress.
 

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So you expected us to have Stephen Johnson starting and a freshman RB racking up TDs? No, every team has problems but they work through them and adjust. If you want to find excuses, you can find one evry single year. All UK football ever is is "if". Which gets old. We are the 3rd worst in the SEC east, still. We barely beat a terrible USCjr team. This is the 3rd year running everyone goes crazy after the USCjr game only to be let down. Lets stay calm. This is a good win for our players but this isnt where an SEC team should be with a year 4 coach...Stoops stinks. Ask any college football fan, they will tell you the same.

"Let's stay calm...except if you've already decided stoops sucks. Then go crazy."
 

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I think they have brought in the right coaches to fix the offense and special teams and they have done that. What remained is the defense. You would have to be blind not to see the improvement in the defense since Stoops announced that he was in essence taking it over.

We have now isolated the one remaining issue with this team and the coach that isn't getting it done. It's Eliot. Stoops must either replace Eliot with a competent DC the way he replaced other coaches that were not succeeding, or he must realign the staff in such a way that Gran become assistant head coach and takes over some of the head coaching responsibilities while Stoops continues to be deeply involved with the defense.
 
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I still do not think Stoops is the guy. I am happy for our players for their win, and they deserve credit (editor's note: props are for movies). Their effort was against one of the worst offenses in the country, but we had one of the worst defenses; it's a little progress (editor's note: please expand on what 'it' is).

In year four, we should go beyond defeating such opponents as Vanderbilt or the University of South Carolina. It is pretty clear Vanderbilt might be our only other SEC win, but it's good for our players. This University of South Carolina team will likely not win another SEC game. They may possibly win one more, but it's an SEC win that our players love (editors note: what?).

Potentially next year, under our new coach, our team will feel comfortable when playing a Vanderbilt University or a University of South Carolina, which is important for confidence.

I think my group of fans still feel the same about Stoops and still want him gone, but there's nothing wrong with being happy for our players (editor's note: complete contradiction to the entire point of the post).

Out coaching Steve Spurrier was pretty nice, but out coaching the University of South Carolina with a terrible offense led by a freshman quarterback and a new coaching staff isn't (editor's note: incomplete thought). Especially after four years and players all recruited by Stoops to fit his system. Benny Snell would still be getting only a couple carries if Jojo wasn't out last week. Stoops didn't impress me in the least.

Helped you out a bit. You are welcome. *high five*
 

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We need to see whatever changes Stoops made continued from here on out. If we can improve from now until Bammer at the same increment, we might not get blown out by more than 21.
I agree. No one expects us to beat Alabama, but if we can keep it between a 14-21 point loss, that will show maybe progress is being made. I just want to see the team fight the way they did last night.
 

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I agree. No one expects us to beat Alabama, but if we can keep it between a 14-21 point loss, that will show maybe progress is being made. I just want to see the team fight the way they did last night.
If we keep it under 30, that is actually not bad. Alabama has a lot of firepower and they could name the score on us if they wanted too - and we didn't show up ready to play.

I am going to the game - I just hope we are only behind 2 TDs or less at half-time and we get beat by only 21 points! Not trying to be a downer here - unfortunately just being realistic.

Go Big Blue!
 
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We still do not think Stoops is the guy. We are happy for our players on this win. And they deserve props. Yeah it was against one of the worst offenses in the country but we had one of the worst D's, its a little progress.

In year 4 we should be looking to beat someone besides Vandy or USCjr. It is pretty clear Vandy may be our only other SEC win but its good for our players. This USCjr team will likely not win another SEC game, maybe 1 more win period, but its an SEC win that our players love. Next year under our new coach they will feel comfortable vs a Vandy(if we beat them) or a USCjr. Which is important for confidence.

I think everyone still feels the same about Stoops and still wants him gone but theres nothing wrong with being happy for our players.

Out coaching Steve Spurrier was pretty nice, but outcoaching USCjr with a horrifying offense lead by a FR QB and a new HC and coaching staff isnt. Ecspecially after 4 years and players all recruited by Stoops to fit his system. Benny Snell would still be getting only a couple carries if jojo wasnt out last week. Stoops didnt/doesnt impress anyone in the least.
It doesn't matter what you think should happen in year 4. Our team and coaches will do the best they can. Either they will be successful, or they won't. Prior to the season, I tried to tell everyone that this is a 4-5 win team against this schedule. No 1 would listen.
 

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It was a HUGE win in terms of cooling off Stoops' seat temperature. It legitimately maintains the possibility of a 6 win season and avoids an all but unrecoverable 1-3 start. Personally, the win keeps me "on the fence" about Stoops whereas a loss would have toppled me to the "this isn't going to work" side. JMO.

Peace
 
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Fact is, we lost Hatchert, Meant, and Tubman.....That is huge. Stoops is not playing with much on Defense.

They're doing what they can and in the last 6 quarters they've given up 17 points. Looks like the team is coming together and getting an identity. There have been definite signs of improvement since the first half of NMSU so hopefully these negative threads will decline.
 
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