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[Ru-baby]

You mean excitement for RU fball?

Oh heavens no- GS will only get us to third in the B10 and some "minor bowls". We can't have that. We were doing some much better BEFORE and AFTER.

 

[LevaosLectures]

All that methane is contributing to global warming!

DJ Spany does not know what nocturnal emission means and I just want to point that out.

 

[DJ Spanky]

DJ Spany does not know what nocturnal emission means and I just want to point that out.

It's not late night flatulence? Sounds like a sticky situation!

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

Who are the non-Schiano realistic options who are proven?

 

[cicero grimes]

You're sitting in your seats next September for the home opener and leading his charges out of the tunnel is one, Greg Schiano as Sinatra's "Let Me Try Again " blares from the video board as highlights from his previous tenure are shown

Like it but would prefer "My Way" for Greg.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Reading all this crap about GS against the spread... wouldn't you take the disappointment of not beating a couple spread teams in a given season over what we got now?

Bring in GS.. get the program back where it was.. add in the Big Ten money and maybe GS can afford the help to have a better offense and defense.

 

[JQRU91]

Say it ain’t so. Enough of this. Find someone else to pine for he ain’t coming here. Start supporting the current coach as he will be pacing next year on the sideline again.

I refuse to support such utter incompetence.

 

[1coastalknight]

Reading all this crap about GS against the spread... wouldn't you take the disappointment of not beating a couple spread teams in a given season over what we got now?

Bring in GS.. get the program back where it was.. add in the Big Ten money and maybe GS can afford the help to have a better offense and defense.

couldn't agree more!!!
He's seen alot, probably knows to hire DC and OC more competent and let them coach.

 

[JQRU91]

Schiano was a fine coach, and led us to respectability. But am I the only person who remembers that this board blasted him for "not being a good game-day coach?" Am I the only person who remembers how he was denounced as a control freak who obsessed over things like the temperature of a meeting room? He ain't God, you know.

Schiano's not the final answer, but he can be a bridge between the dumpster fire and the promised land.

 

[RU4Real]

Schiano's not the final answer, but he can be a bridge between the dumpster fire and the promised land.

You mean like last time?

 

[JQRU91]

You mean like last time?

All things considered, Schiano took us a decent way last time. Some of the foundation he built still exists. People haven't forgotten 2006 or the bowl wins or the dozens of players that RU put in the NFL. That's all stuff that can be built on if things can get turned around. There are even kids who grew up wanting to play for Rutgers. If only we were good enough to capitalize on that. I think Schiano could probably get us to that point and may be the most sure bet of our available options to do so.

 

[RU4Real]

All things considered, Schiano took us a decent way last time. Some of the foundation he built still exists. People haven't forgotten 2006 or the bowl wins or the dozens of players that RU put in the NFL. That's all stuff that can be built on if things can get turned around. There are even kids who grew up wanting to play for Rutgers. If only we were good enough to capitalize on that. I think Schiano could probably get us to that point and may be the most sure bet of our available options to do so.

All total ********.

First of all, this ^ isn't consistent with your previous post.

Second, everyone except the beat writers and the people on this board have, in fact, forgotten all of those things.

The kids we're recruiting now were 4 years old when we beat Louisville.

Rutgers will *never* make top-10 level investments in a coaching staff. Never. If Schiano were to come back here, then he would once again represent the absolute apex of this program's potential - which, translated into a B1G-E schedule, means .500 seasons, at best.

 

[JQRU91]

All total ********.

First of all, this ^ isn't consistent with your previous post.

Second, everyone except the beat writers and the people on this board have, in fact, forgotten all of those things.

The kids we're recruiting now were 4 years old when we beat Louisville.

Rutgers will *never* make top-10 level investments in a coaching staff. Never. If Schiano were to come back here, then he would once again represent the absolute apex of this program's potential - which, translated into a B1G-E schedule, means .500 seasons, at best.

Not sure what you think is inconsistent with what I previously wrote. Schiano raised the profile of Rutgers football in the eyes of the people of New Jersey. No, it's not anything like Ohio State in Ohio, but it's at a higher level than it had been before, and people around the state still remember. If the program can get back to being decent, it's still something that can be built off of.

Whether or not RU will ever invest in a top coach, I don't know. But I'll bet most people would be thrilled, right now, if we could just get back to the level that Schiano had us at. It would probably last for a season-and-a-half before we started harping on Schiano's shortcomings again. But it sure would be a relief from where we're at now. And if, by chance, we actually did go after a big name coach, it would be much easier to attract someone to a situation that was in decent shape rather than a total dumpster fire.

I'm not sure what other option you would suggest. I'm guessing that you'd be for taking a shot at an young up-and-comer? That's what I wanted before we got Ash. But, right now, I think the situation is critical and we need to right the ship. Not knowing for sure the direction that televised sports could end up going, we my only have so much time to capitalize on B1G money to improve our lot in the college football landscape. I don't want to see us wasting the time making several questionable hires that don't work out.

 

[NickRU714]

Who are the non-Schiano realistic options who are proven?

Great question that you won't get an answer to.

Everyone else is either not realistic or doesnt meet the list of 17 requirements (former HC, but has to be HC in P5, won as HC in the Big 10, but also won recently, has ties to NJ, but also FL, also cant have been a recent failure at his last HC job)

 

[Retired711]

Who are the non-Schiano realistic options who are proven?

IMHO, Schiano is not a realistic option.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

IMHO, Schiano is not a realistic option.

Why do you think that?

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

All total ********.

First of all, this ^ isn't consistent with your previous post.

Second, everyone except the beat writers and the people on this board have, in fact, forgotten all of those things.

The kids we're recruiting now were 4 years old when we beat Louisville.

Rutgers will *never* make top-10 level investments in a coaching staff. Never. If Schiano were to come back here, then he would once again represent the absolute apex of this program's potential - which, translated into a B1G-E schedule, means .500 seasons, at best.

We should be an Iowa type program. 7-8 wins regularly, sometimes 5 or 6, sometimes 9 or 10. That's where I see GS taking us based on the way he was recruiting into the Misfit Toy conference.

I am not hoping to be Ohio State- that's not reality. I'm hoping to be a program that entered this bye week with this schedule as bowl eligible or a game behind, which I think is where GS would have us.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

IMHO, Schiano is not a realistic option.

because.... why?

 

[sherrane]

Actually if you remember, Greg’s defenses did very well against the spread and option teams.

I guess people want to base their opinions on failing to ever beat or slow down West Virginia, being 0-3 against Brian Kelly's spread at Cincinnati, and always struggling to beat non-BCS spread teams like FIU and Kent State.

 

[Retired711]

because.... why?

I don't think Rutgers particularly wants him back; he made a lot of enemies here. I don't think he is likely to want to come back to basically try to repeat his earlier success here --- he looks bad if he fails, and it's ho-hum "been there, done that.' if he succeeds. Actually making Rutgers football much better than he left it would be a Herculean task given that there is no way Rutgers is going to spend what schools like Ohio State and Michigan do.

Even assuming the parties want to make a deal, there's the problem of salary. It's going to be hard enough for Rutgers to persuade itself to help to fund Ash's buyout; it is impossible for me to believe that the money is going to be there to pay what Schiano will want, even if Schiano only wants what Ash is now making. The only way the money is there is if the donors can be persuaded to make a massive effort.

 

[Retired711]

Why do you think that?

see my reply above to GOR.

 

[Andy117]

As a Skins' fan, I thought Gibbs being back as HC was like the Second Coming, he was mediocre the 2nd time around, at best.
It's made me gun-shy to want to see Schiano come back.

Mediocre would be an improvement on the current stage of affairs.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

I don't think Rutgers particularly wants him back; he made a lot of enemies here. I don't think he is likely to want to come back to basically try to repeat his earlier success here --- he looks bad if he fails, and it's ho-hum "been there, done that.' if he succeeds. Actually making Rutgers football much better than he left it would be a Herculean task given that there is no way Rutgers is going to spend what schools like Ohio State and Michigan do.

Even assuming the parties want to make a deal, there's the problem of salary. It's going to be hard enough for Rutgers to persuade itself to help to fund Ash's buyout; it is impossible for me to believe that the money is going to be there to pay what Schiano will want, even if Schiano only wants what Ash is now making. The only way the money is there is if the donors can be persuaded to make a massive effort.

So, in summary, it is not realistic because, in no particular order:

A) We won't have the money
B) GS is not interested
C) GS made enemies here (presumably among those who would make such a decision or would influence those making the decision)

So, this become a realistic scenario if we find:

1) There is interest on our end
2) There is interest on GS' end
3) We somehow find the money

I believe that we SHOULD have interest. And people have said there was some interest by GS last time around... so it comes down to money.

I have said elsewhere that once you start looking around or above 4M we should open the field.. that kind of money should attract serious talent (but I do not think that can happen here.. not until we get full share from B10 anyway). I have not looked into who that might be.. but if if you can get GS at 3.5M or lower.. jump on that. And as for his demands for the program and control.. do what BM did.. TRUST HIM.

 

[Retired711]

So, in summary, it is not realistic because, in no particular order:

A) We won't have the money
B) GS is not interested
C) GS made enemies here (presumably among those who would make such a decision or would influence those making the decision)

So, this become a realistic scenario if we find:

1) There is interest on our end
2) There is interest on GS' end
3) We somehow find the money

I believe that we SHOULD have interest. And people have said there was some interest by GS last time around... so it comes down to money.

I have said elsewhere that once you start looking around or above 4M we should open the field.. that kind of money should attract serious talent (but I do not think that can happen here.. not until we get full share from B10 anyway). I have not looked into who that might be.. but if if you can get GS at 3.5M or lower.. jump on that. And as for his demands for the program and control.. do what BM did.. TRUST HIM.

3.5 million on top of what we'd need to pay Ash is a lot of moola. I don't know where it's going to come from unless the donors really step up. And I don't know if Hobbs will like having no control over the football coach. I am absolutely positive that Barchi is not going to give anyone carte blanche -- he's not that kind of guy.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

see my reply above to GOR.

Is your enemies comment based on supposition or first hand knowledge? I hear he doesn't like Barchi but not sure if that is rumor.

 

[Retired711]

Is your enemies comment based on supposition or first hand knowledge? I hear he doesn't like Barchi but not sure if that is rumor.

I know Schiano had enemies within the department, and frankly the manner of his departure did not help him. (BTW, what is Schiano going to say if Hobbs [Ash in original] asks him, "are you going to leave for a better job again with little notice?") I'm not sure how many of those people are still here given the turnover in ADs since then. But certainly, as I said above, Hobbs is not going to like the idea of giving Schiano total control, and I am sure, based on what I know about Barchi, that Barchi is not going to do that. Instead, Barchi will make sure someone controls the purse strings, and calls Schiano to account if anything questionable happens.

 

[RU#1fan]

Mediocre would be a Huge improvement on the current stage of affairs.

FIFY

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

I know Schiano had enemies within the department, and frankly the manner of his departure did not help him. (BTW, what is Schiano going to say if Ash asks him, "are you going to leave for a better job again with little notice?") I'm not sure how many of those people are still here given the turnover in ADs since then. But certainly, as I said above, Hobbs is not going to like the idea of giving Schiano total control, and I am sure, based on what I know about Barchi, that Barchi is not going to do that. Instead, Barchi will make sure someone controls the purse strings, and calls Schiano to account if anything questionable happens.

I think you mean if Hobbs asks him, but the reality is if someone asked Hobbs to be NFL commish is he going to say no?

Hobbs and Barchi controlling the purse strings is one thing, but any coach, Schiano or otherwise, needs to be given a relatively free hand. Nothing in Barchi or Hobbs' past shows me they know how to run a football program.

 

[Retired711]

I think you mean if Hobbs asks him, but the reality is if someone asked Hobbs to be NFL commish is he going to say no?

Hobbs and Barchi controlling the purse strings is one thing, but any coach, Schiano or otherwise, needs to be given a relatively free hand. Nothing in Barchi or Hobbs' past shows me they know how to run a football program.

Yes, I did mean "if Hobbs asks him." Thanks for catching the error. It is much more important for a football coach to give a decent amount of notice than an AD. The departure of a football coach can disrupt an entire recruiting class, and force the AD into a hasty decision just for the purpose of preserving that class. (Isn't that exactly what happened last time???) The departure of a football coach puts the team into limbo until a new one is hired. That's not the situation with an AD.

I don't think anyone has a problem with the football coach having a relatively free hand. But there's a big difference between that and total control, which is what Schiano is probably going to want at least vis-a-vis Hobbs.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

Yes, I did mean "if Hobbs asks him." Thanks for catching the error. It is much more important for a football coach to give a decent amount of notice than an AD. The departure of a football coach can disrupt an entire recruiting class, and force the AD into a hasty decision just for the purpose of preserving that class. (Isn't that exactly what happened last time???) The departure of a football coach puts the team into limbo until a new one is hired. That's not the situation with an AD.

I don't think anyone has a problem with the football coach having a relatively free hand. But there's a big difference between that and total control, which is what Schiano is probably going to want at least vis-a-vis Hobbs.

That's interesting if the school really felt jaded. I mean I could see if he left for another college job, I don't know I always feel it's small time when any employer gets angry about what they know is a big opportunity but maybe that is me.

 

[Retired711]

That's interesting if the school really felt jaded. I mean I could see if he left for another college job, I don't know I always feel it's small time when any employer gets angry about what they know is a big opportunity but maybe that is me.

Generally, what you say is true; it's small-time to complain about an employee leaving. OTOH, Schiano left us in a bad position last time, and we should want to avoid a repetition. In addition, the makeover is going to take years (despite what some people here seem to imagine) and we certainly don't want Schiano jumping during the rebuild if Miami offers in a year or two to make him head coach.

 

[RutgersDom]

You're sitting in your seats next September for the home opener and leading his charges out of the tunnel is one, Greg Schiano as Sinatra's "Let Me Try Again " blares from the video board as highlights from his previous tenure are shown

That would make for a great video, totally Jersey to with Sinatra...