And, if that doesn't go anywhere, then you SHOUT IT FROM THE HIGHEST MOUNTAIN!
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You obviously have reading comprehension issues. I provided all the information you requested but you just are not a big enough man to admit you were wrong and apologize.
analogy: all these sex crime allegations coming out (Cosby, Franken,Moore, Weinstein, Spacey,etc.). The victims haven't even come out themselves for years and decades, due to career or other reputation fears. Such fears are very real. They shape our actions.
So why would you expect not even the victim but merely a 25 year old aspiring coach come out and 'shout from the highest mountain' what he saw for a few seconds? Paterno and Sandusky were as powerful as any of those above in terms of Schiano's career.
It is human nature for a person with Schiano's status then to "duck" and for the Paterno figure to "do more." I don't blame him for not "doing more" just like I don't blame Weinstein's accusers for keeping quiet. I think society would have given Schiano a pass on this back then.
But the "i had no idea" excuse simply isn't believable. Far more people than McQueary had to either have seen or heard what was going on so frequently..
So why would you expect not even the victim but merely a 25 year old aspiring coach come out and 'shout from the highest mountain' what he saw for a few seconds? Paterno and Sandusky were as powerful as any of those above in terms of Schiano's career.
It is human nature for a person with Schiano's status then to "duck" and for the Paterno figure to "do more." I don't blame him for not "doing more" just like I don't blame Weinstein's accusers for keeping quiet. I think society would have given Schiano a pass on this back then.
But the "i had no idea" excuse simply isn't believable. Far more people than McQueary had to either have seen or heard what was going on so frequently..
You have provide no one who backs up your statement. Your problem is that your present innundo as fact and can' figure out that they are radically different. You refuse to accept that no one directly has backed up your statement. Your statement is 100% wrong.
Once again without names I'm calling BS! Maybe you know some of the snow flakes that couldn't take the heat. And you can't judge someone by just meeting them. So once again without player names BS!!
If the powers that be won't act, you take it to the police and/or the press. Or are you assuming he did that as well and still nothing was done?
The GS cult is out in full force defending their man. Newsflash guys, Rutgers football is bigger than any one individual. Defending a member of JoePa's crew only brings disgrace and ridicule to a brand many of you say you love. My loyalty is with Rutgers, not an individual player, coach, or administrator. I find it fascinating that the words of McQueary are taken as indisputable facts by many GS supporters when it comes to accusations and indictments against individuals connected to Penn State, but he is a money hungry liar if he dares implicate their hero. You can cut the hypocrisy with a knife.
I won't name drop. I got banned on here many years ago over that. I knew big basketball recruit Devin Ebanks was headed to WVU- and I mentioned the name of the player who told me. Got banned. I know alot of people who played for. NFL players, role players, and practice sqaud workout warriors. Nobody really likes him. And meeting the man - you can pickup the vibe. One negative I will mention that I've seen for myself. Greg acts different- around different people. Bit of a phony. Meet him at a big HS game in a recruiting circle
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I’m not assuming anything. I’m saying don’t assume and just go by the facts.
If Greg was involved, why didn't anyone sue him all this time?
Why wasn't he named in the Freeh Report?
Why wasn't he named in any depositions?
Why did Ohio State and Urban- who can hire anyone- hire him with this "evident" baggage?
Could it be that outside of Knoxville, triple hearsay does not matter and facts do?
Why wasn't he named in the Freeh Report?
Why wasn't he named in any depositions?
Why did Ohio State and Urban- who can hire anyone- hire him with this "evident" baggage?
Could it be that outside of Knoxville, triple hearsay does not matter and facts do?
Gene Smith OSU AD on this: http://www.cleveland.com/osu/2017/11/ohio_state_athletic_director_g_5.html
Unbelievable.
I don't think it will: when you have an axe to grind, nothing gets in your way.
I think that sums it up pretty well.
Now just stop with your pesky facts!
You provide an article that corroborates hearsay, which was only stated in a single civil case and not ONCE in 5+ years of criminal proceedings.
And another thing: there have probably been over a hundred assistant coaches, graduate assistants, support staff, etc. who cycled through that swamp during Sandusky's predative years: what about all of them? Why haven't they been named and shamed?
Including Tom Bradley who was DC at UCLA until Mora was fired last week. I guess we should believe UCLA did no diligence on what Schiano told him which we need to take as a fact, apparently...
Not one victim named Schiano.
None of the people Freeh interviewed said anything about his knowing
Not one first person account Schiano knew something was included in court records and Schiano wasn't even mentioned on any of the Sandusky related cases or investigations.
McQueary said Tom Bradley mentioned Schiano and remembered a coach in 80s but forgot name.
Bradley denied it, could be lying or maybe not.
But McQueary 's accusation didn't specify what he claimed Bradley said Schiano saw and that could be showering with a child in the nude that made Greg say something.
Even that I can't say happened because McQueary didn't seem to know himself. Only that Bradley saiid Schiano said he seen something that upset him
This is a case of believe what you want, but hopefully it's not believing Greg's guilty or innocent because of the way you feel about Schiano's RU HC days.
I feel there's not enough evidence to claim Schiano was part of the cover-up and McQueary was clear about what he saw Sandusky do and how the PSU administration handled what he told them, but was a bit fuzzy about what Schiano was supposed to have told Bradley what Sanduisky was doing when Greg seen him doing something.
If Greg wasn't called to testify, the prosecutor probably didn't think Schiano would have been called to testify.
This isn't a case of multiply accusations, this is a claim of he said something was seen and not exactly what was seen.
So it's a case of what you feel is enough evidence to claim guilt or if you think it's not enough to put someone in the scum category like all the PSU enablers deserve to be
None of the people Freeh interviewed said anything about his knowing
Not one first person account Schiano knew something was included in court records and Schiano wasn't even mentioned on any of the Sandusky related cases or investigations.
McQueary said Tom Bradley mentioned Schiano and remembered a coach in 80s but forgot name.
Bradley denied it, could be lying or maybe not.
But McQueary 's accusation didn't specify what he claimed Bradley said Schiano saw and that could be showering with a child in the nude that made Greg say something.
Even that I can't say happened because McQueary didn't seem to know himself. Only that Bradley saiid Schiano said he seen something that upset him
This is a case of believe what you want, but hopefully it's not believing Greg's guilty or innocent because of the way you feel about Schiano's RU HC days.
I feel there's not enough evidence to claim Schiano was part of the cover-up and McQueary was clear about what he saw Sandusky do and how the PSU administration handled what he told them, but was a bit fuzzy about what Schiano was supposed to have told Bradley what Sanduisky was doing when Greg seen him doing something.
If Greg wasn't called to testify, the prosecutor probably didn't think Schiano would have been called to testify.
This isn't a case of multiply accusations, this is a claim of he said something was seen and not exactly what was seen.
So it's a case of what you feel is enough evidence to claim guilt or if you think it's not enough to put someone in the scum category like all the PSU enablers deserve to be
How is that "interesting"?
All we know is that both Greg Schiano and Tom Bradley have denied the allegation made by McQueary.
It's undeniable that Greg Schiano has otherwise been an honest man who has held his teams to a high standard of conduct. There are plenty of people who hated his style, and some who question his results, but no one questions his integrity.
So I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt. Third hand hearsay is not enough to make me not believe him.
Perfect. I am no GS worshiper. I despise PSU for the whole Sandusky thing. But this guy nails it. (can't believe I am in full support of anything PSU lol)
Stop making crap up people. Facts are the the facts. IF it comes out that there is proof he knew then kick his A$$. Otherwise stop with the BS.
I have a question for the lawyers out there.
Any of us, who are in the public eye, I would think, have been the subject of unfair allegations, some either overt or not so overt...some which likely meet the criteria of slander.
Why wouldn't Schiano now go after the likes of Sara huckleberry hound re her rhetoric. What is the downside ?....and I am not convinced that getting held up in the court system is a reason to avoid going after a high profile person who has committed egregious slander against you ? I would..I'd be that passionate about it.
Any of us, who are in the public eye, I would think, have been the subject of unfair allegations, some either overt or not so overt...some which likely meet the criteria of slander.
Why wouldn't Schiano now go after the likes of Sara huckleberry hound re her rhetoric. What is the downside ?....and I am not convinced that getting held up in the court system is a reason to avoid going after a high profile person who has committed egregious slander against you ? I would..I'd be that passionate about it.
madhat...how do you define "coverup" ? to me, it's actively blocking investigation and/or protecting someone. I don't think GS had any part in that, although we know that others did try to cover up the JS crimes.
But I highly doubt GS or the other coaches there at the time were oblivious. I am confident they saw or heard rumors but due to their lesser stature in the program at the time they choose to ignore....which was in their best-interest career wise.
It's not dissimilar to Pitino and his staff....at least in regard to the call girl "service" at the athletics dorm, it could not be proved that he knew about it. Do you believe he didn't know ?
Point being, just because something can't be proved (or was inadmissable hearsay), it doesnt mean it 's false.
But I highly doubt GS or the other coaches there at the time were oblivious. I am confident they saw or heard rumors but due to their lesser stature in the program at the time they choose to ignore....which was in their best-interest career wise.
It's not dissimilar to Pitino and his staff....at least in regard to the call girl "service" at the athletics dorm, it could not be proved that he knew about it. Do you believe he didn't know ?
Point being, just because something can't be proved (or was inadmissable hearsay), it doesnt mean it 's false.
Kirk Herbstreit Retweeted Dan Wetzel
Recommend you take the time to read this before you attempt to destroy a mans character and reputation. You comfortable with what you alleged today? You know for a FACT what you accused Schiano of is 100% accurate?? Give this a read.
Kirk Herbstreit added,
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An old, random, nonspecific, (disputed) hearsay allegation took down Greg Schiano/Tennessee. Proof? Evidence? Corroboration? There is none. https://sports.yahoo.com/tennessee-...schianos-reputation-mob-anger-015951492.html…
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Recommend you take the time to read this before you attempt to destroy a mans character and reputation. You comfortable with what you alleged today? You know for a FACT what you accused Schiano of is 100% accurate?? Give this a read.
Kirk Herbstreit added,
Dan WetzelVerified account@DanWetzel
An old, random, nonspecific, (disputed) hearsay allegation took down Greg Schiano/Tennessee. Proof? Evidence? Corroboration? There is none. https://sports.yahoo.com/tennessee-...schianos-reputation-mob-anger-015951492.html…
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Schiano is a public figure and rape is an issue of public concern. He'd have to show that the information was published with "reckless disregard" which the courts have mostly interpreted as a total straight up lie and the publisher knows it's a lie. In this case, if they're riding on the triple hearsay, they're basically allowed to publish or publicize the existence of that testimony. It would not be an easy case for GS (and I agree he's being railroaded).
THAT is TOTAL BS
You only got McQueary saying that some other assistant coach told him that another coach once came to him asking what the story was with Sandusky and kids...
McQueary had a vested interest in making up that story.. spread the guilt.. it wasn't just him that looked the other way. McQueary's story makes him to be a hero for even reporting it directly to Paterno.
Meanwhile both Tom Bradley (who McQueary said he heard it from) and Greg Schiano say the story is completely untrue.
Are you really going to take the word of a guy who parlayed letting this whole child rape thing go into a paid assistants job with Penn State?
JoePA told the story of hearing about the shower rape from McQueary something like this:
"When he called that morning I thought he was calling about a paid assistants job and I had no job for him".
And yet SOMEHOW McQueary ended up with a paid assistants job and this whole child rape thing became horsing around in the shower and was dropped.
THAT is the guy you are going to believe about Schiano? McQueary only has hearsay from Bradley.. if you believe McQueary. And Bradley says it never happened.
WTF is wrong with you people?
Schiano should be suing the those hicks back into the stone age. The guy that painted the rock.. take everything he owns.
and another person to track down and sue..
These people might cost him his reputation and millions of dollars... nail them to the wall. Libel/Slander needs to be fought.
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Let me put it this way. If I went on social media and said you were abusing little boys. My source being a guy who never met you. He says he heard it from a friend who heard it from another friend. But I presented as fact. Would you be ok with it because it was possible or would you mad as hell?
Your ok with it happening to anyone else but how would you feel if this happened to you or someone you know??
This site has become Witch Hunt Central.
Guilty till proven innocent.
Half of the people on this site would turn their neighbors into the authorities if it would make their lives easier.
This is a dangerous time in this country.
Mulcahy can vouch for Greg, Bill Belichick can vouch for Greg but the people on this site know better. Scary.
Witch Hunt Central.
Guilty till proven innocent.
Half of the people on this site would turn their neighbors into the authorities if it would make their lives easier.
This is a dangerous time in this country.
Mulcahy can vouch for Greg, Bill Belichick can vouch for Greg but the people on this site know better. Scary.
Witch Hunt Central.
It also doesn't mean MM even remembered the incident correctly, if it even happened. All you got is MM saying "Oh, yeah, twelve years ago, Bradley told me that ten years before that, Schiano saw abuse."
bus...except these coaches did know each other, did live and work closely, etc.
It's not a random accusation like your analogy and McQueary was proved right with all the rest he claimed. Where's the logic in only believing the parts of his story that accuse everyone else but not the part about Schiano ?
McQueary has proved to be more credible than your "never met you" example.
It's not a random accusation like your analogy and McQueary was proved right with all the rest he claimed. Where's the logic in only believing the parts of his story that accuse everyone else but not the part about Schiano ?
McQueary has proved to be more credible than your "never met you" example.
>"Point being, just because something can't be proved (or was inadmissible hearsay), it doesn't mean it 's false"< ( Also just because someone said something it must be believed . Too many holes in what was said including what exactly did Schiano see.)
>"It's not dissimilar to Pitino and his staff....at least in regard to the call girl "service" at the athletics dorm, it could not be proved that he knew about it. Do you believe he didn't know ?"<
( three, maybe more former University of Louisville m basketball recruits have confirmed what Katina Powell said was going on. That's collaborating the charges. No one collaborated what McQueary said Bradley told him including Tom Bradlry. There is a difference and if you did some research you would have noticed the difference and not just assume they were in the same category when evidence proving guilt are concerned )
>madhat...how do you define "coverup" ?<
( if he seen something and didn't turn in Sandusky to authorities : he's part of the cover-up. Even if he told another he saw molestation going on and when he seen nothing being done to arrest the pervert, he's part of the cover-up if he doesn't contact police. But there's no evidence Schiano see molestatiion going on, just a claim Greg seen something, though not knowing what was seen, and told Bradley , who denied saying Schiano went up to him and said he saw Sandusky doing something. To many holes to believe, unless you want to believe stories that don't add up with the information being made available by the accuser and the facts that don't support that info.)
McQueary never worked with Schiano so wrong again. Didn't coach him either.
Why don' I believe McQueary? Simple he didn't bring this story up in the Sandusky trial where he wasn' trying to make money but all of a sudden he brings it up in the civil suit where he was awarded millions.
And you didn' answer the question. Would you be ok if this happened to you?
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madhat..you're getting mixed up.....the question was...do you think Pitino knew of the call-girl parties ? sure, they happened just like the JS stuff happened..
but do you think Pitino knew what was going on ? Remember, there's no evidence that he did.
Bus....McQueary was on the team while Schiano was a coach there. Of course they knew each other. C'mon now.
but do you think Pitino knew what was going on ? Remember, there's no evidence that he did.
Bus....McQueary was on the team while Schiano was a coach there. Of course they knew each other. C'mon now.
McQueary's cedibility is not unimpeachable.
In Mcqueary's other testimony about what he personally witnessed, and who he met with and discussed it with, his story was corroborated by others, and by documents, emails, etc.
In this particular statement from Mcqueary, his story has been refuted by both people involved.
He's not more credible than Schiano (who he never worked with) or Bradley. He's just not.
It doesn't matter whether he knew or not. He was the head coach, thus it was all his responsibility. That's not the same situation at all as Schiano's being the most junior member on staff. I would expect him to have known the least of all the people what was going on, if anyone knew.
On what basis? He never said Schiano knew - all he said was that Bradley told him that Schiano told Bradley he saw something bad. Has Bradley ever confirmed or denied what was allegedly said to him by Schiano?
Bradley has denied that either conversation ever took place (one with Schiano, who has also denied it. and one with McQueary 10 years later).
I posted this in another thread.. but the info is good here as well..
McQueary got a PAID ASSISTANTS job at Penn State by handing this off to Paterno and then letting it drop. Paterno said that the call that morning for him to come over had him thinking it was about a paid assistants job that he did not want to give him. Yet, SOMEHOW, McQueary ended up with that job.
Here is is in a direct quote from McQueary but there are quotes from Paterno that say the same thing...
He went to bed early. He woke up and walked his dogs. And at 7:15 a.m., he phoned the head coach. His testimony: “At the time, we had a couple of job openings on the staff. I said, ‘Coach Paterno, it’s Mike McQueary. Can I come over to talk?’ He said, ‘No, I’m not giving you a job.’”
Schiano was at Penn State 2 years where there were allegations against Sandusky. Very early years
Schiano
1990 Penn State (GA)
1991–1995 Penn State (DB)
And this was the first allegation in the Sandusky timeline... though he started Second Mile in 1977 and had likely been working up his abuses and crimes since then..
1994: A boy identified as Victim 7, who is now 26, meets Sandusky through The Second Mile. He later tells a grand jury that he had a "blurry memory" of having improper contact with Sandusky when they were showering together in the football locker room on the Penn State campus.
So, really.. how likely is it that Greg Schiano saw Sandusky the one time there is an allegation that he showered with a kid in the lockerroom?
We can guess that there were more such rapes.. but the official victims list does not have any allegations of it during Schiano's time there. Just that one mentioned above. A different timeline mentions a 1995 shower event.. but does not mention 1994.. so it may be the same event. Reading the testimony of the victim.. page 32 as printed on the PDF pages... it happened once on campus then 5 times at Sandusky's home.. his wife will burn in hell with him.. anyway.. it really doesn't look like there were a lot of opportunities from Schiano to have seen something.
Tell me that Schiano and others saw Sandusky always hosting different kids on campus and seemed a bit too "touchy" with them in public... THAT had to happen... right? But no one put 2 and 2 together.
But this self-serving crap from McQueary about hearsay from Tom Bradley about something that happened once while GS was at Penn State? Does not pass the smell test in any way.
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