Interesting post

[jflores]

on what might happen Saturday from SSO. He answers some questions I've seen posted here...


So, as I have spoken about, and many that know football have referenced from the Arkansas State game, is how much we stayed in our base 3-4 with a 2 high safety shell. The gist of it is this... staying in that defense and same coverage left Marcus Newby and at times Gifford in no win situations where they were responsible for a zone and the WR, and also a gap in the run game. With the RPOs that Arkansas State ran, if they run those correctly, you quite literally can not be right. If Newby crashes for the run, the zone he left is wide open for the WR and QB. If Newby stays back, they hand it off to the open gap of his. If some of you remember, I broke down what UCLA did to us with Mazzone as OC where they scored 38 unanswered in this thread:

Essentially if we run Bo's 4 man front, or if we run Diaco's 3-4 scheme with the coverage behind it that we did, we are putting guys like Newby against ASU or guys like Gerry against UCLA in no win situations. They will look bad and in turn so will our defense.

This past Saturday, what we did was sit in our base defense and hope that Newby/Gifford could make a play. Or ASU got impatient or screwed up with an incomplete pass putting them behind schedule. We won't do that this Saturday vs. Oregon. We can't do that this Saturday vs. Oregon and expect to win. Diaco is a great defensive mind, i've seen things in practice, but let's just start with what is out there for the public to view. Take this site:
http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2012/08/22/notre-dame-3-4-defense-primer/
The Nickel
So all of the above is great, but what happens when the offense tries to spread the Irish out and comes out with three or four wide? The answer: the nickel package. The nickel derives its name from the five defensive backs in the formation (get it, a nickel!), one of which replaces a linebacker. For a 3-4 team like the Irish, this means that the Dog is sent off as shown below:

So this is basically what Arkansas State did all night, but instead of having an extra safety, we had Newby try to cover a slot receiver. Think about Newby trying to cover JD Spielman, not happening. Also, even tho ASU took their TE off the line and used him as more of an H-back, that meant that our "cat" who was Gifford last game, didn't play on the line at times. We match up personnel and have our cat as the fourth lineman, we look much better. It's also the reason I think Alex Davis may still be a big part of the gameplan vs Oregon despite his struggles against the Red Wolves.

What I mean by that, is I think Diaco will still want to shut the run game down first, so guys like Weber and Davis, who are better at stopping the run in this scheme, may start out there until we see Oregon start throwing those screens on us. Once they have success there, you may start seeing more of Gifford/Newby and Barry in for Weber.

One caution I would give, is I put on South Florida vs. Notre Dame 2011 (I messed up and for some reason forgot Taggart was at WKU at that time). Diaco stayed in his 3-4 against 3, 4 and even 5 WR sets. It was actually quite similar to last Saturday, and a good QB like Daniels beat them up a bit. So we could very well stay in our 3-4. However, what Diaco and Notre Dame did in the second half, was started rolling safeties down, getting into some cover 1 or cover 3 to put our LBs more in the box. What that does is make it so Newby no longer had responsibility out there. That would have served Gifford, Newby, and Davis well. Will we do that? Or will we go to nickel and see more of Reed in the game Saturday? I think to win we have to get into our nickel personnel. But with how fast Oregon goes, our base 3-4 will be seen initially quite a bit to "weather the storm" and you will have people coming with "I told you so! Told you they weren't holding anything back!"

Here's what i'm getting at. We have nickel in our toolbox. We also have many more coverages and adjustments than we showed last Saturday. What I mean is people are kind of seeing what happened to Newby and Davis and saying "that's what everyone means that we don't have good OLBs". But keep in mind even Nate Gerry who ended up playing safety for us couldn't do what was asked of him when we put him in similar situations as Newby and Davis. Our goal was to win the game and be pretty basic if you ask me about Arkansas State. I think Diaco will start out with kind of the same stuff but slowly start dialing things up, whether that is nickel or different coverages from the 3-4.

Bottom line for me is we can't do what we did last Saturday. I think Diaco knows that, he's way too smart to not see some issues from the Arkansas State game. I also know he has nickel and other coverages at his disposal. We could also dive into how the defense didn't do horribly bad, but that gets a bit into semantics so I wanted to keep it X's and O's. You have to match personnel against them I think, otherwise, we will get pretty exposed.

 

[suhnami_rivals]

Basically what most have been saying.

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

on what might happen Saturday from SSO. He answers some questions I've seen posted here...


So, as I have spoken about, and many that know football have referenced from the Arkansas State game, is how much we stayed in our base 3-4 with a 2 high safety shell. The gist of it is this... staying in that defense and same coverage left Marcus Newby and at times Gifford in no win situations where they were responsible for a zone and the WR, and also a gap in the run game. With the RPOs that Arkansas State ran, if they run those correctly, you quite literally can not be right. If Newby crashes for the run, the zone he left is wide open for the WR and QB. If Newby stays back, they hand it off to the open gap of his. If some of you remember, I broke down what UCLA did to us with Mazzone as OC where they scored 38 unanswered in this thread:

Essentially if we run Bo's 4 man front, or if we run Diaco's 3-4 scheme with the coverage behind it that we did, we are putting guys like Newby against ASU or guys like Gerry against UCLA in no win situations. They will look bad and in turn so will our defense.

This past Saturday, what we did was sit in our base defense and hope that Newby/Gifford could make a play. Or ASU got impatient or screwed up with an incomplete pass putting them behind schedule. We won't do that this Saturday vs. Oregon. We can't do that this Saturday vs. Oregon and expect to win. Diaco is a great defensive mind, i've seen things in practice, but let's just start with what is out there for the public to view. Take this site:
http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2012/08/22/notre-dame-3-4-defense-primer/
The Nickel
So all of the above is great, but what happens when the offense tries to spread the Irish out and comes out with three or four wide? The answer: the nickel package. The nickel derives its name from the five defensive backs in the formation (get it, a nickel!), one of which replaces a linebacker. For a 3-4 team like the Irish, this means that the Dog is sent off as shown below:

So this is basically what Arkansas State did all night, but instead of having an extra safety, we had Newby try to cover a slot receiver. Think about Newby trying to cover JD Spielman, not happening. Also, even tho ASU took their TE off the line and used him as more of an H-back, that meant that our "cat" who was Gifford last game, didn't play on the line at times. We match up personnel and have our cat as the fourth lineman, we look much better. It's also the reason I think Alex Davis may still be a big part of the gameplan vs Oregon despite his struggles against the Red Wolves.

What I mean by that, is I think Diaco will still want to shut the run game down first, so guys like Weber and Davis, who are better at stopping the run in this scheme, may start out there until we see Oregon start throwing those screens on us. Once they have success there, you may start seeing more of Gifford/Newby and Barry in for Weber.

One caution I would give, is I put on South Florida vs. Notre Dame 2011 (I messed up and for some reason forgot Taggart was at WKU at that time). Diaco stayed in his 3-4 against 3, 4 and even 5 WR sets. It was actually quite similar to last Saturday, and a good QB like Daniels beat them up a bit. So we could very well stay in our 3-4. However, what Diaco and Notre Dame did in the second half, was started rolling safeties down, getting into some cover 1 or cover 3 to put our LBs more in the box. What that does is make it so Newby no longer had responsibility out there. That would have served Gifford, Newby, and Davis well. Will we do that? Or will we go to nickel and see more of Reed in the game Saturday? I think to win we have to get into our nickel personnel. But with how fast Oregon goes, our base 3-4 will be seen initially quite a bit to "weather the storm" and you will have people coming with "I told you so! Told you they weren't holding anything back!"

Here's what i'm getting at. We have nickel in our toolbox. We also have many more coverages and adjustments than we showed last Saturday. What I mean is people are kind of seeing what happened to Newby and Davis and saying "that's what everyone means that we don't have good OLBs". But keep in mind even Nate Gerry who ended up playing safety for us couldn't do what was asked of him when we put him in similar situations as Newby and Davis. Our goal was to win the game and be pretty basic if you ask me about Arkansas State. I think Diaco will start out with kind of the same stuff but slowly start dialing things up, whether that is nickel or different coverages from the 3-4.

Bottom line for me is we can't do what we did last Saturday. I think Diaco knows that, he's way too smart to not see some issues from the Arkansas State game. I also know he has nickel and other coverages at his disposal. We could also dive into how the defense didn't do horribly bad, but that gets a bit into semantics so I wanted to keep it X's and O's. You have to match personnel against them I think, otherwise, we will get pretty exposed.

Good analysis. And as Suhnami points out, it is reinforcing what a lot of others have said as well. I hope this translates into a much better performance against Oregon by our defense

 

[chicolby]

I think there's a lot of wishful thinking going on that Nebraska will change scheme and be a whole different team in a couple days when going against a higher level athlete. I simply don't buy it.

Good teams dominate everyone. They don't hold back for opponents. I'm not painting doom and gloom as I think the team will improve over the course of the season but I don't think we should expect some drastic change in one week.

I am hopeful, however, about our dynamic offense and hope the Huskers somehow win in an offensive shootout.

 

[Headcard]

I think there's a lot of wishful thinking going on that Nebraska will change scheme and be a whole different team in a couple days when going against a higher level athlete. I simply don't buy it.
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I don't think most people are saying we will have a whole new scheme, just that we can matchup with personnel better and adjust some things.

Good teams dominate everyone.

That just isn't true anymore. At times, even great teams struggle to stop people in modern college football. Teams know how to use space and move the football, it's just a fact. look at OSU against Indiana, USC against Western Michigan or Louisville against Purdue. All Top 20 teams, playing against inferior teams and all gave up big yards and/or points.

 

[jflores]

I think there's a lot of wishful thinking going on that Nebraska will change scheme and be a whole different team in a couple days when going against a higher level athlete. I simply don't buy it.

Good teams dominate everyone. They don't hold back for opponents. I'm not painting doom and gloom as I think the team will improve over the course of the season but I don't think we should expect some drastic change in one week.

I am hopeful, however, about our dynamic offense and hope the Huskers somehow win in an offensive shootout.

No one is expecting NU to change scheme. (Hell Riley said this himself, he's not going to install anything midcourse because you have no chance of being successful).

Diaco has a lot of options within his scheme he can exercise though.

 

[Mack In Motion]

Diaco runs a scheme he is comfortable with.

It has worked in a big-time program on a big stage.

He was hired to run it here.

I don't think he's going to change his scheme for either of the following two reasons:

1) It did not look good in the first game against Ark. State
2) He did not hold a press conference after the game which irritated Barfnecht

 

[jflores]

Diaco runs a scheme he is comfortable with.

It has worked in a big-time program on a big stage.

He was hired to run it here.

I don't think he's going to change his scheme for either of the following two reasons:

1) It did not look good in the first game against Ark. State
2) He did not hold a press conference after the game which irritated Barfnecht

I like the cut of your jib.

Diaco isn't going to implement Jim Johnson's system here. You run what you know.

 

[TheBeav815]

This staff seems to like to play possum a bit with their adjustments. If they're not getting damaged too badly, they seem to sandbag their changes until the second half and let the opponent make a little hay with their initial strategy. Sometimes late into the second half.

I'm wondering if that's by design. They maybe don't want to give the opposing coaches time to make another adjustment and then be caught trying to make Adjustment 3 before time runs out.

 

[Husker Todd_rivals48744]

I think there's a lot of wishful thinking going on that Nebraska will change scheme and be a whole different team in a couple days when going against a higher level athlete. I simply don't buy it.

Good teams dominate everyone. They don't hold back for opponents. I'm not painting doom and gloom as I think the team will improve over the course of the season but I don't think we should expect some drastic change in one week.

I am hopeful, however, about our dynamic offense and hope the Huskers somehow win in an offensive shootout.

I don't think anyone thinks they are going to change their whole scheme. I think most believe, and I'm one of them, that there is a lot more to this scheme than Bob showed on Saturday.

I think some with your mindset forget that we were up 14 half way through the fourth quarter and had only given up 3 points in the half. If your offense can salt away the rest of the clock and your kick return team doesn't put your defense in a bind, you walk away with a pretty reasonable win.

 

[jflores]

I don't think anyone thinks they are going to change their whole scheme. I think most believe, and I'm one of them, that there is a lot more to this scheme than Bob showed on Saturday.

I think some with your mindset forget that we were up 14 half way through the fourth quarter and had only given up 3 points in the half. If your offense can salt away the rest of the clock and your kick return team doesn't put your defense in a bind, you walk away with a pretty reasonable win.

I've had issues before with some of Langsdorf's head scratchers (although, pretty much every OC I've watched has thinks that piss off their fanbases), but I didn't have a real big issue with the 4th Quarter calls on Saturday. At least one of our key conversions was the slot fade to Spielman.

One mitigating factor for me...how many games are we going to have, where the opposing kicker gets the absolute text book perfect bounce over DPE's outstretched fingers for the recovery? Probably never.

The other thing, we were looking at what, 45 or 50 sec of game clock? Someone posted a handful of late drives, and although we burned 8 minutes and some change, we had several plays that Tanner snapped between 10-15 seconds. If you take those plays and snap them at 5 seconds, without even having changed playcalling you've burned that time.

 

[TruHusker]

Good analysis. And as Suhnami points out, it is reinforcing what a lot of others have said as well. I hope this translates into a much better performance against Oregon by our defense

While I am hopeful of a better "performance" I have to ask the question why it will improve? Are they going to suddenly become better athletes? Will they suddenly have a better idea of what they are doing? Will they be able to read the plays that much quicker? There are so many reads that take place in a given play, that is one thing but being able to actually make the play is another. Last year I can't count the many times I saw our players in the right place but still could not make the play. That is the difference between the head/vision part and the physical part of following through.

 

[Toms Wife]

While I am hopeful of a better "performance" I have to ask the question why it will improve? Are they going to suddenly become better athletes? Will they suddenly have a better idea of what they are doing? Will they be able to read the plays that much quicker? There are so many reads that take place in a given play, that is one thing but being able to actually make the play is another. Last year I can't count the many times I saw our players in the right place but still could not make the play. That is the difference between the head/vision part and the physical part of following through.

I think we will see improvement simply because we will be facing a different style of ball. While Oregon will throw it all over the place, Taggert's offense is predicated on the run. The same is true of virtually every Big Ten team not named Indiana. Much of football is matchups and we will have better ones the rest of the year.

 

[suhnami_rivals]

This staff seems to like to play possum a bit with their adjustments. If they're not getting damaged too badly, they seem to sandbag their changes until the second half and let the opponent make a little hay with their initial strategy. Sometimes late into the second half.

I'm wondering if that's by design. They maybe don't want to give the opposing coaches time to make another adjustment and then be caught trying to make Adjustment 3 before time runs out.

Ahhh yes the "lets get beat more now so we dont get beat more later" strategy. Brilliant!

 

[yort2000]

While I am hopeful of a better "performance" I have to ask the question why it will improve? Are they going to suddenly become better athletes? Will they suddenly have a better idea of what they are doing? Will they be able to read the plays that much quicker? There are so many reads that take place in a given play, that is one thing but being able to actually make the play is another. Last year I can't count the many times I saw our players in the right place but still could not make the play. That is the difference between the head/vision part and the physical part of following through.

Were you expecting them to perfectly execute a new defensive system during the 1st game against "live bullets"?

Nebraska needs to cut down the leaky yards (plays that should have been stopped for 3-5 yards went for 7-12 yards) and not allow the opponent 89 offensive plays (safety gave an extra possession and they didn't convert enough 3rd downs in the 4th quarter).

There will be some improvement this week, but not as much as some people seem to be expecting. A very talented Oregon offense falls too early on the schedule. I do like the schedule for next three games (NIU, Rutgers, and Illinois) to allow the defense to gain much needed experience before the major tests of Wisconsin and Ohio State.

 

[Toms Wife]

Were you expecting them to perfectly execute a new defensive system during the 1st game against "live bullets"?

Nebraska needs to cut down the leaky yards (plays that should have been stopped for 3-5 yards went for 7-12 yards) and not allow the opponent 89 offensive plays (safety gave an extra possession and they didn't convert enough 3rd downs in the 4th quarter).

There will be some improvement this week, but not as much as some people seem to be expecting. A very talented Oregon offense falls too early on the schedule. I do like the schedule for next three games (NIU, Rutgers, and Illinois) to allow the defense to gain much needed experience before the major tests of Wisconsin and Ohio State.

I agree with most of this. (Although the you mention a safety giving them an extra possession. Remember we took a safety too.) I think there will be a improvement this week for a number of reasons. 1. You intend to improve most between games 1 and 2. 2. Oregon runs a scheme that will be more conducive for our D. 3. Taggert's system is new to Oregon. Usually the defense has the advantage early in the year and when things are new.

And most importantly 4. Oregon is not that talented. They have recruited at about the same level we have over the last five years (NE avg. #25 while Oregon avg. #22). When you add in how horrendously bad they were last year, we must remember that we are not facing a juggernaut in any fashion. We should be fine.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

Were you expecting them to perfectly execute a new defensive system during the 1st game against "live bullets"?
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You are right. It is going to take time

But since you brought up expectations ... I expect a veteran head coach to hire a reasonably competent defensive staff to begin his tenure and not completely stuff it up. He has had to replace his entire defensive staff with the exception of Bray and now is changing schemes all prior to year 3.

We are starting over on the defensive side of the ball in year 3 due to initial poor management

 

[yort2000]

You are right. It is going to take time

But since you brought up expectations ... I expect a veteran head coach to hire a reasonably competent defensive staff to begin his tenure and not completely stuff it up. He has had to replace his entire defensive staff with the exception of Bray and now is changing schemes all prior to year 3.

We are starting over on the defensive side of the ball in year 3

Has absolutely nothing to do with this thread topic. If you want to discuss that for the 1,000th time, start another thread on it.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

Has absolutely nothing to do with this thread topic. If you want to discuss that for the 1,000th time, start another thread on it.

You brought up needing time for this defense to improve. I'm just pointing why that is.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

How long are you going to beat that drum? Mistakes were made in the initial hiring process, those mistakes were addressed. What other remedy is there? You can't go back and do it differently.

Time to move forward.

 

[yort2000]

And most importantly 4. Oregon is not that talented. They have recruited at about the same level we have over the last five years (NE avg. #25 while Oregon avg. #22). When you add in how horrendously bad they were last year, we must remember that we are not facing a juggernaut in any fashion. We should be fine.

To say Oregon doesn't have offensive talent is laughable. Everyone seems to bastardize recruiting rankings. Here is the thing with talent. If you have a difference maker, they are playing on your team for 3 or 4 years and making a difference all those years. The higher the recruiting rankings, the higher probability you will have difference makers in your recruiting class. Those that average top recruiting rankings every year have a higher likelihood of filling their whole team with difference makers. That doesn't limit lower recruiting ranked teams from getting a few highly rated difference makers or underrated difference makers every year and building a talented team, although the odds are lower.

 

[jflores]

How long are you going to beat that drum? Mistakes were made in the initial hiring process, those mistakes were addressed. What other remedy is there? You can't go back and do it differently.

Time to move forward.

Agreed. Riley gave some guys shots that couldn't handle it. Either call for his head over the grievance or re-look at what is a reasonable standard to maintain employment with the present staff and evaluate accordingly.

If we're going to Solich him, then Solich him, if not, then its nothing but history now.

 

[timnsun]

You brought up needing time for this defense to improve. I'm just pointing why that is.

Create a thread about this and let's make it a sticky. Then we don't need to repeat this in every defensive thread on this board.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

Agreed. Riley gave some guys shots that couldn't handle it. Either call for his head over the grievance or re-look at what is a reasonable standard to maintain employment with the present staff and evaluate accordingly.

If we're going to Solich him, then Solich him, if not, then its nothing but history now.

He can't be fired. The only reasonable alternative is to lower the bar and reassess after 5-6 years.

 

[jflores]

He can't be fired. The only reasonable alternative is to lower the bar and reassess after 5-6 years.

Why can't he be fired?

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Because then he can't bring up his intital hiring mistakes anymore.

 

[yort2000]

He can't be fired. The only reasonable alternative is to lower the bar and reassess after 5-6 years.

Good. I think all of us will appreciate you not bringing these things up in every thread until the reassess period begins in 2020.

 

[Toms Wife]

To say Oregon doesn't have offensive talent is laughable. Everyone seems to bastardize recruiting rankings. Here is the thing with talent. If you have a difference maker, they are playing on your team for 3 or 4 years and making a difference all those years. The higher the recruiting rankings, the higher probability you will have difference makers in your recruiting class. Those that average top recruiting rankings every year have a higher likelihood of filling their whole team with difference makers. That doesn't limit lower recruiting ranked teams from getting a few highly rated difference makers or underrated difference makers every year and building a talented team, although the odds are lower.

They were 38th in the country last year. Now they have a new head coach. They have a totally new scheme. They have a new offensive coordinator that started late because they decided that they should fire their coach who got a DUI. They kicked their best offensive player off the team this summer for a DUI (Carrington who was going to be a senior). I'm not sure they have all that much talent, BUT I am sure we should not be all that scared of them.

 

[Toms Wife]

P.S. They have two quarterbacks left on the team because of a rash of transfers. The second teamer is a true freshman. Their starting quarterback started 4th on the depth chart last year. He is a sophomore who was a 3* coming out of Eugene. His other offers were Montana St., Portland St. and Northern Arizona.

Let that sink in. Their starting quarterback had offers from:

Montana St.

Portland St.

Northern Arizona

I'm sorry but that ain't talented.

P.P.S. Keeping with the original topic, this is why we need to be aggressive on defense. I don't think Herbert has the skills to beat us with a bit of pressure in his face and they lost their deep threat. The worst thing is to let him get comfortable dinking and dunking.

 

[yort2000]

P.S. They have two quarterbacks left on the team because of a rash of transfers. The second teamer is a true freshman. Their starting quarterback started 4th on the depth chart last year. He is a sophomore who was a 3* coming out of Eugene. His other offers were Montana St., Portland St. and Northern Arizona.

Let that sink in. Their starting quarterback had offers from:

Montana St.

Portland St.

Northern Arizona

I'm sorry but that ain't talented.

P.P.S. Keeping with the original topic, this is why we need to be aggressive on defense. I don't think Herbert has the skills to beat us with a bit of pressure in his face and they lost their deep threat. The worst thing is to let him get comfortable dinking and dunking.

2016 - 63.5% completion pct., 19 tds, 4 ints. His recruiting ranking may not have said he was talented, but his actual performance on the field says something completely different.

2016 - Freeman 5.7 yds per carry, Brooks-James 7.6 yds per carry, Benoit 5.9 yds per carry. TALENT, TALENT, TALENT

Actual production trumps recruiting rankings EVERY TIME.

 

[inWV]

Rivals recruiting rankings 2014-17
NU ORE
32 26
31 17
24 25
20 18
Talent is comparable on both sides. Oregon had a decided edge in recruiting one year out of the past four.

 

[Toms Wife]

2016 - 63.5% completion pct., 19 tds, 4 ints. His recruiting ranking may not have said he was talented, but his actual performance on the field says something completely different.

2016 - Freeman 5.7 yds per carry, Brooks-James 7.6 yds per carry, Benoit 5.9 yds per carry. TALENT, TALENT, TALENT

Actual production trumps recruiting rankings EVERY TIME.

Maybe Oregon has found some diamonds in the rough. However, I don't think Herbert is making teams shake especially without his top receiver. I guess we will find out Saturday.

One other issue about him and Taggert. Herbert isn't Taggert's type of qb. Taggert has gone almost exclusively to recruiting dual threat guys. Herbert had 12 yards rushing last year. He's like a square peg in a round hole considering what Taggert wants to do but Taggert doesn't have any other options. It kind of sounds like us in reverse the last couple years. It's another reason I say their offense struggles.

 

[yort2000]

Maybe Oregon has found some diamonds in the rough. However, I don't think Herbert is making teams shake especially without his top receiver. I guess we will find out Saturday.

One other issue about him and Taggert. Herbert isn't Taggert's type of qb. Taggert has gone almost exclusively to recruiting dual threat guys. Herbert had 12 yards rushing last year. He's like a square peg in a round hole considering what Taggert wants to do but Taggert doesn't have any other options. It kind of sounds like us in reverse the last couple years. It's another reason I say their offense struggles.

Actually his top receiver in number of receptions is back.

 

[Toms Wife]

Actually his top receiver in number of receptions is back.

OK...but anyone who knows Oregon knows Carrington has been the man for a number of years when he wasn't suspended. Carrington took the double teams. Defenses always knew where he was lined up. If he lays off the pot and alcohol he will play at a high level on Sundays.

 

[timnsun]

OK...but anyone who knows Oregon knows Carrington has been the man for a number of years when he wasn't suspended. Carrington took the double teams. Defenses always knew where he was lined up. If he lays off the pot and alcohol he will play at a high level on Sundays.

This makes me laugh...

Tom - Oregon sucks!
Yort - Not true, they are talented on offense.
Tom - Their QB was recruited by nobody!
Yort - He was statistically very good last year, 63% completion 19/4 td/int ratio
Tom - Well he has nobody to throw to!
Yort - Actually, his top target at receiver last year is back.
Tom - Anyone who knows Oregon football knows Carrington is the guy.

Tom doesn't know when to quit.

 

[Toms Wife]

This makes me laugh...

Tom - Oregon sucks!
Yort - Not true, they are talented on offense.
Tom - Their QB was recruited by nobody!
Yort - He was statistically very good last year, 63% completion 19/4 td/int ratio
Tom - Well he has nobody to throw to!
Yort - Actually, his top target at receiver last year is back.
Tom - Anyone who knows Oregon football knows Carrington is the guy.

Tom doesn't know when to quit.

Nice. Your skills of interpretation are unrivaled!

 

[timnsun]

Nice. Your skills of interpretation are unrivaled!

Correct me then.

 

[Toms Wife]

Carrington had ten receptions for 127 yards and touchdown on Saturday. He will be missed.

 

[timnsun]

Carrington had ten receptions for 127 yards and touchdown on Saturday. He will be missed.

How did I misinterpret the posts? I never said he wouldn't be missed. I merely pointed out Oregon is not the sister of the poor you make them out to be. Yort did a great job pointing out their talent, and you continue to say they have no talent.

Carrington will be missed, but their leading receiver from last year is back. How can you still say they ain't talented?

It's so hard for you to admit that maybe they do have talent on the offensive side of the ball, isn't it?

 

[timnsun]

P.S. They have two quarterbacks left on the team because of a rash of transfers. The second teamer is a true freshman. Their starting quarterback started 4th on the depth chart last year. He is a sophomore who was a 3* coming out of Eugene. His other offers were Montana St., Portland St. and Northern Arizona.

Let that sink in. Their starting quarterback had offers from:

Montana St.

Portland St.

Northern Arizona

I'm sorry but that ain't talented.

P.P.S. Keeping with the original topic, this is why we need to be aggressive on defense. I don't think Herbert has the skills to beat us with a bit of pressure in his face and they lost their deep threat. The worst thing is to let him get comfortable dinking and dunking.

If only Oregon coaches viewed nebraska the same way...

Who is nebraska's starter? Who recruited him out of high school? Tulane? 2 star?

That ain't talent!

They wouldn't know what hit them.