If the dual starts at 125, Frost will struggle, imo.
If it's some random draw and they start at 141/149, that should give Frost plenty recovery time.
Regardless, given history...Clone nation will find a way to eff it up.
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If it's some random draw and they start at 141/149, that should give Frost plenty recovery time.
Regardless, given history...Clone nation will find a way to eff it up.
As a Hawkeye fan, I like the fact his first time making 133 for competition will be against Drake.
Angelo a tossup vs Elam???
Elam is an oft injured senior whose body is broken and is on a pitch count this season.
Angelo wins that match everytime, imo.
If they start @125 and depending on the dual score at time before the 184 match, I think it's definitely a possibility they have GA go.
Additionally, TnT love messing with KD's brain.
I’m a huge buyer in Angelo stock, but this is nonsense. He will be a multiple time NCAA champ. But Angelo is not a big 184 and would have a significant size disadvantage. Plus he wrestles 1 TD matches vs anybody good. If zero time AA Fishback can take Angelo to OT, there is no reason to expect anything different from a 4x AA with a big size advantage.
I’m not even saying Angelo can’t win, but there is no way he is a decided favorite.
Dresser has publicly stated Elam won't wrestle a full schedule.
Why do you think that is?
LOL
I agree AF had typically had close matches, but no one scrambles like he does at the upper weights.
Load management. He just wrestled a tournament last week, did he look injured to you?
Angelo will be a favorite in every match he wrestles this year. Pretty sure he’s yet to even be taken down in college.
This is irrelevant. When he's actually on the mat and healthy, he's very good. He went 5-4-3 his first 3 years at MO, and even got 6th after that with a nasty shoulder injury.
Would he be a favorite against Josh Barr, or AJ Ferrari?
Angelo is great. Awesome wrestler, and I have nothing bad to say against him, but for a guy that hasn’t even wrestled a full season it is a bit of a stretch to say he’d be the favorite to win his weight and the next weight up. He hasn’t shown the ability to separate from good 184s.
I didn't watch and I didn't say he's injured now.
It's been publicly stated he won't wrestle a full schedule.
Again...why is that?
Having said that, I think he wins vs Endene if they match up.
I already answered that question. It’s so he doesn’t get reinjured. Not that hard.
You’re right, he probably wouldn’t be the favorite against his HEAVYWEIGHT brother
he just beat 3 top ten guys in 1 weekend. Will he lose at some point, maybe, doesn’t mean he won’t be the favorite to win. Until he loses and somebody actually finishes a td on him, ill consider him the favorite in every matchEdit-just went back and realized we’re talking about going against Elam at 197. Whoops. No way they bump AF for that when we have a solid 197 this year. When they did it 2 years ago with GA, our 184 was suspended and it made sense.
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The fact that he's been hurt is irrelevant if he's healthy right now.
This isn't a difficult concept.
Well I can talk about whatever I want to
. See I can be a D*CK as well.
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Endene has proved himself . Gabe vs Dean is probably an OT match. No guarantee you win that. Bumping makes zero sense if Kueter can go. You don't bump Endene out of the lineup for Gabe and have Angelo give up 15 lbs. People are overthinking
If I’m Iowa State don’t they get a huge advantage by starting anywhere but 125 pounds?? If it starts at 125 Iowa will know what it needs at heavyweight (if anything) and whether to have a seemingly banged up Ben K take the mat will be an easier decision.
You make good points and I don’t disagree with you. Given the information we have, it’s pretty fair to be skeptical how Angelo would do against the best 197s.
It’s maybe stating the obvious but Angelo and the coaches know a lot more than any of us on this topic. For instance, I’ve seen interviews where Angelo talks about how he wrestles Buchanan a lot and Buchanan is still in Iowa City, I just saw him in some of the pictures the HWC posted a couple weeks ago on social media. So Angelo and the coaches should have a pretty good idea based on that of how Angelo would fair if they bumped him up for this dual.
We're gonna beat the hell out of Pitt unless we "train through the dual" or have "illness in the room".
We're fans, we don't have to make weight not do we have to worry about looking ahead. All I'm worried about is getting a Carver Cone. At least this dual is on a Friday!
FWIW ISU scares the crap out of me this year.
Everyone on the planet knows Kevie is obsessed with beating Iowa.
TnT know it as well.
The potential, or not, "bumping" is just another worry for Dresser.
Having said that, the stars are definitely lined up giving ISU their best chance in years.
But given the "we couldn't see the RT clock" debacle 2 years ago, never underestimate Dresser's ability to eff it up.
To limit wear and tear for a guy coming off surgery and a redshirt year. Keep him fresh and healthy.
That’s not the same as being hurt, dude!
Agree, should have stated from the start that there is no known current injury issue.
Peterson is who he is, a scrapper. Not worried about him and effort. I didn't get to see Leo last week, didn't light up the scoreboard IIRC, but maybe he's an option? Poulin beat Peterson previously apparently, which doesn't concern me much.
As for Bailey and Williams, these guys appear to be better dancers than they are wrestlers, so hopefully Tom gets to them mentally before the Dancing With the Stars people do.
Bailey has faced 3 ranked guys, and scored a TOTAL of 3 points, and won one of those 2-0. Would have loved to listen to Mark Ironside during those matches, had to be more entertaining than the actual matches. He'll face a ranked wrestler.
Has Williams been placed in the Witness Protection Program? If so, maybe we could replace him with Joe Williams and see if anyone from ISU notices.
Hopefully the wrestling version of these 2 show up, whatever that entails. I'll believe it when I see it.
I think he has 4 left but yeah, get Endene some rest if he needs. (This is for Pitt b/c no Pitt thread yet}
Does make sense for natty seeding. He is definitely going to have opportunity to move up his seeding starting in January. The other thing is I doubt we need him to beat Pitt but will need him in Ames for sure.
Angelo is a beast, but there is a reason you rarely see guys bump up in DI matches. There is a very specific reason for weight classes. A full sized 184 is going to have a very rough time with a full sized 197. That is a very large size difference at that level. Remember how dominant Askren was? He bumped up to wrestle a pretty banged up Roger Kish from 174 to 184 and barely beat him. Mind you, we are talking about one of the most dominant wrestlers of all time...Honestly, I would be more worried about Angelo getting hurt in that match than Elam somehow getting re-injured!
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I believe drawing for weights rather than starting 125 is the option of the visiting team. ISU wont have that option.
It's now a coin flip and the winner of the flip picks the starting weight.
Is Elam injured at this moment? That is what matters for this duel. My point is you don't take a pretty safe win away when the meet will be tight. And to say the Angelo wins that match "every time" is pretty short sighted. Elam is certainly no chump and he is markedly bigger.
No he's wrestled and looks fine . They will be smart and limit his competition dates because of his past injuries
Iowa wins they will start at 125.
ISU wins and they should choose 141 or possibly 285 to force Iowa's hand at 285. Time will tell.
125 toss
133 Drake
141 isu
149 isu
157 isu
165 caliendo
174 PK
184 Angelo
197 isu
285 isu
Need Peterson to win at 25 and need Caliendo and Kennedy to bonus — assuming they are getting bonus at Hwt.
If Block or Williams can pull off the upset then even better !!
That's how I would have it.
Hard to say what Block's approach is based on what happened with family.
My comment was directed solely at Anon. Who does not seem to have the ability to understand that Elam is not hurt at this point and it is completely irrelevant if he is on a pitch count because he has been injured before. The point is he is a highly regarded 197 and Angelo is a highly regarded 184. Angelo would not be a prohibitive favorite to beat Elam with Anon's primary reasoning being is he has been hurt before and is on a limited schedule. The meet is on November 30, not March 19.