IOWA WEEK!

Ruby Tues

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I agree, but as many have said, we're likely looking at OT. Ferrari will wrestle most of the match from his knees, and the Iowa faithful will be begging for stalling on Rocco. Lol
I will admit, I’m not the most knowledgeable wrestling fan, but with all the one knee talk and moving to the edge, can’t our guys just go back to the middle of the mat to kinda make them wrestle? Or do they want to be on the edge for a potential stall call?
 

Aardvark86

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I think one of our resident refs can answer that. What would they do if it was their match? I hope some one tests it.
I too am intrigued by this, but I suspect teh answer is it's easier said than done. Other than the clown circling the edge with blaze this weekend, I think they usually get to the edge after being engaged.

That said, I'd LOVE to see someone disengage, return to center, and literally wave the opponent slacker back to the middle in front of a couple of thousand fans. It would be like in the movie terminator 2, when the liquid metal guy reforms after being shot with the shotgun, and then wags his finger at the shooter.
 

Rock-man

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Will Iowa wrestle their full squad?

For Wisconsin,
They didn’t wrestle Dean Peterson at 125
They didn’t wrestle Bailey at 141
Endene was still recovering from the birth of his child at 197

I could see they might let Ludington wrestle again at 197, or even put Arnold out at 174 and move Kennedy and Ferrari up a weight class.
Now THAT would be interesting!
 
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El_Jefe

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I think one of our resident refs can answer that. What would they do if it was their match? I hope some one tests it.
Not a ref but we've seen this before. It's the right thing to do but often just wastes time, and it's counter-intuitive.

The aggressor has to do this mutiple times to maybe earn a stall call. Maybe. Not a given even if the other guy slow-walks back to center.

One more thing to remember: returning to center isn't enough -- you have to return to the back edge of the center circle. If you return to the front edge, then the other guy starts out halfway to the outer edge.
 

Potterlion

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Yep, I was just about to post the same things that Jefe posted. Some of the Iowa guys would love it because they'd have to worry about the PSU wrestler for 20 seconds less (the time it took him to repeatedly jog back to center) and because they know it won't matter and they'll immediately return to the edge as soon as they're engaged. The best thing for the PSU guys to do is to force the action as much as they can and if we lose opportunities at the edge of the mat a few times, know that you're not giving the Iowa guy a second to breathe and that you're going to wear him down and eventually score your points.
 
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El_Jefe

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This is a case of knowing the ref. If he's aggressive, then try. If he's one of those guys who calls Action! 20x in a match, why bother.

Was trying to find the video, but best example I remember was the Jon Gabriel-Seth Hogue PA state finals about 10 years ago. Hogue was from Reynolds and went Full Mason Beckman. Gabriel sniffed it out and returned to center multiple times. Each time Hogue slow-walked back to center and in a big loop rather than a straight line. The ref swallowed his whistle. The fans were pissed. Awful match, at least the right guy won.
 
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Now THAT would be interesting!
I see both Arnold and Ludington getting starts to protect seeds, if the dual is out of hand. I think the coaches will agree to start at the traditional 125. I'll even go as far as to say Kueter might sit.

The team scores after the first four bouts will likely dictate overall dual ducktitude.

But, I guess Cael and Tom could also agree to wrestle backups at certain weights.
 
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Random4598375

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I see both Arnold and Ludington getting starts to protect seeds, if the dual is out of hand. I think the coaches will agree to start at the traditional 125. I'll even go as far as to say Keuter might sit.

The team scores after the first four bouts will likely dictate overall dual ducktitude.

But, I guess Cael and Tom could also agree to wrestle backups at certain weights.
Iowa's duck rate is typically a lot lower than other teams. I don't think they're going to just accept a shutout or really embarrassing score in that program. Too much pride. In fact, Iowa's biggest problem is that they haven't adapted away from the old Gable tough guy way of wrestling. There's no way in hell Gable would rest a guy to "protect a seed". Not a chance. I would be shocked if Brands did that.
 

Random4598375

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Will Iowa wrestle their full squad?

For Wisconsin,
They didn’t wrestle Dean Peterson at 125
They didn’t wrestle Bailey at 141
Endene was still recovering from the birth of his child at 197

I could see they might let Ludington wrestle again at 197, or even put Arnold out at 174 and move Kennedy and Ferrari up a weight class.
Inserting Arnold and bumping PK and Ferrari just ensures that all three lose, and probably puts it on Kueter to avoid a shutout. There is no chance of that, none at all. A shut out loss in Carver would a gigantic black eye on the entire program, and they're already going to have to work hard to avoid it as is without making it even harder to avoid. Keeping Angelo matched with Rocco is probably their best shot at any weight.
 
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I guess I look at some weights that while PSU guys are decided favorites, some of the PSU guys do some head scratching things. Davis sometimes will get on bottom and just continue to fight for a reversal instead of just getting an escape. LL sometimes does something that you can't believe. I believe that is in LL's rear view mirror now, but you never know. Van Ness can throw out the occasional head scratcher as well. Would Ayala with a ton of experience beating Blaze be out of the question?

I think it will be at worst 8-2 but if Iowa won 4, I wouldn't be floored
 
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Iowa's duck rate is typically a lot lower than other teams. I don't think they're going to just accept a shutout or really embarrassing score in that program. Too much pride. In fact, Iowa's biggest problem is that they haven't adapted away from the old Gable tough guy way of wrestling. There's no way in hell Gable would rest a guy to "protect a seed". Not a chance. I would be shocked if Brands did that.
I hope I am wrong and you are right 💯. I want to see all starters go.
 
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Stick Kitty

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Barr is going to demolish him.

Barr has looked good and should win but out of all the matchups- This would be my #1 chance at catching a guy and pinning him upset. Not saying it will happen but Mo has that quickness and power combination more so than others. Williams could be 2nd in that thinking but Duke will embarrass him. Williams will go for an upper body throw in the first and likely get himself pinned. Mo's wouldn't be a throw but just getting lucky on a pounce in a scramble situation.
 

Nitlion1986

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I guess I look at some weights that while PSU guys are decided favorites, some of the PSU guys do some head scratching things. Davis sometimes will get on bottom and just continue to fight for a reversal instead of just getting an escape. LL sometimes does something that you can't believe. I believe that is in LL's rear view mirror now, but you never know. Van Ness can throw out the occasional head scratcher as well. Would Ayala with a ton of experience beating Blaze be out of the question?

I think it will be at worst 8-2 but if Iowa won 4, I wouldn't be floored
Here is how I see all of the Iowa might get a Carver or two win(s).
In the middle of all the wrestling, 8-2 seems to be the best Iowa might do. If PSU wins 9 or 10 of matches PSU had a heck of a night. If Iowa wins 3 or 4 it is Iowa who had the really good night. Knowing the staff does target this dual, I expect PSU to out wrestle and out perform the Hawks. 9-1 or 10-0 PSU is way more likely than 7-3 or 6-4 PSU.
 

jack66

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Allowing an early TD is the last thing Iowa wants. I expect to see a master class on how to finish the 1st period at 0-0. This is why Cael says wrestling Iowa is a good learning experience ... hand-fighting and slowing down matches are their specialty.

If we get early TDs and force them to open up, I expect this to be a rout. If they can get through the 1st period scoreless, then I expect several nailbiters.
 
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mvattivo

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Barr has looked good and should win but out of all the matchups- This would be my #1 chance at catching a guy and pinning him upset. Not saying it will happen but Mo has that quickness and power combination more so than others. Williams could be 2nd in that thinking but Duke will embarrass him. Williams will go for an upper body throw in the first and likely get himself pinned. Mo's wouldn't be a throw but just getting lucky on a pounce in a scramble situation.

Barr is very technically sound. I know you were basing this more on Endine's style, but, Barr is one of the guy's I see as least likely to be caught and pinned. Obviously, it can happen to anyone, but, he wrestles a more technically sound style than others on the team.
 

Bob_Anderson

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The theoretical cases for upsets...
- 25 - history between the two
- 33 - perhaps Blaze has never seen a slide by before
- 41 - newly back in the saddle
- 49 - LOL
- 57 - LOL
- 65 - they're both really good
- 74 - they're both really tough hombres
- 84 - PSU underdog - coin flip SV pick 'em
- 97 - resistable force v. movable object (i.e., newborn-depleted strength v recently back gas tank?)
- 85 - PSU underdog - intriguing battle of the undersized
I don't see how you can call PSU an underdog at 184. The only thing that would surprise me here is a blowout in either direction.
 
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Random4598375

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Ludington. Arnold is at 174 now.
Yeah, Arnold was 174 again for Soldier Salute. He was being a good teammate bumping two classes up against Utah Valley and Chattanooga, but you can't have be 5'2" or whatever at 197. If Ludington can't go, then it has to be someone else, Brody Sampson, I guess, although he would be out there against Barr just to hold the score to 5.
 

Psalm 1 guy

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Barr is very technically sound. I know you were basing this more on Endine's style, but, Barr is one of the guy's I see as least likely to be caught and pinned. Obviously, it can happen to anyone, but, he wrestles a more technically sound style than others on the team.
Marcus is also one of the Penn State wrestlers who I don't worry about getting thrown to their back. His positioning and mat intelligence are superb, especially for a freshman. A little off-topic, but Forrest Jax's "Funky Town" style might hinder him some in college, especially with the Neutral Danger rule in college. I wouldn't be shocked to see him give up the occasional Neutral Danger TD or even get thrown to his back a few times.
 
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NittanyChris

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One thing that I think will have little impact on this Penn State team is the "Carver Effect". Not only is this a relic of the past, the level of talented young men currently at Penn State have experienced far bigger stages in wrestling on the world level. They are not about to be intimidated by an arena that houses a team that is probably the fourth best team in the country at best. There will be little to no "Carver Effect" on Friday night.
 

mcpat

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Inserting Arnold and bumping PK and Ferrari just ensures that all three lose, and probably puts it on Kueter to avoid a shutout. There is no chance of that, none at all. A shut out loss in Carver would a gigantic black eye on the entire program, and they're already going to have to work hard to avoid it as is without making it even harder to avoid. Keeping Angelo matched with Rocco is probably their best shot at any weight.
1) no way it’s a shut out
2) if there were, I think TnT would be relieved of duties in the days that follow