With the way ICC and Coal City are playing it looks like it may be the case. Then you have Rochester and B Mac.
Is 4A better than 5A?
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Dogz hoping for it. Never afraid of having estl come up for a game. 2013 showed them we aim to play. But ya if in 5a. 5a will be stacked. And Rita will be a force to be reckoned with
Right now ICCP is slightly ahead of Naz (with the home loss).
ICCP defeated JCA 2 years in a row. JCA was last year's 5A champ.
Also depending on what class Glenbard West is in things could change.
ICCP should win the rest of their games. It's unfortunate they are not playing a Catholic league schedule where they belong so we can really find out how good they are.
ICCP defeated JCA 2 years in a row. JCA was last year's 5A champ.
Also depending on what class Glenbard West is in things could change.
ICCP should win the rest of their games. It's unfortunate they are not playing a Catholic league schedule where they belong so we can really find out how good they are.
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Arguments between classes always devolve into apples and oranges because it’s almost a given that the higher class will be deeper, regardless if the lower class has a handful of better teams.
Overall 4A is looking pretty good. The jury is still out on this years IC team in my opinion seeing how they didn’t quite mushroom stamp JCA. The 2016 IC team is still the best imo and could have challenged for 4A, 5a or 6a without a whole lotta trouble
Edit: typo on year. 2016 not 2015.
Overall 4A is looking pretty good. The jury is still out on this years IC team in my opinion seeing how they didn’t quite mushroom stamp JCA. The 2016 IC team is still the best imo and could have challenged for 4A, 5a or 6a without a whole lotta trouble
Edit: typo on year. 2016 not 2015.
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No doubt your right. These smaller teams would never be able to win 5 straight playoff games against the larger class.
I was just basing it on one of the top teams in the class in a one game scenario right now.
Who knows how ICCP would do if they still had to play the 3 M's in the old SCC conference or if they played a Catholic league schedule where in each case they would really have to show up to play week after week?
I guess if you are including last year in your analysis you should consider the fact that Naz put a running clock on JCA. Sorry, Naz would smoke ICCP last year or this year.
Good point. 5a not looking very good.Thats why I had them last.
As far as Naz I am not sure about last year vs this year. I mean they look deeper this year but I don't see the explosive player like Love from last year.
The one team I would not want Naz to play in the playoffs is Glenbard West. I don't think Naz matches up well against them especially if they have to play at GW on grass.
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If I recall, Last year IC running clocked JCA as well. 42-0 is more impressive than 49-20 imho. I wouldn’t necessarily favor IC in that hypothetical matchup but I think they would have given a good effort.
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Seems like with JCA last year there were 2 very different teams. Games 1-8 not very good. Games 9-14 very good. Kind of a strange team.
I agree with that sentiment. Guy was using example of his teams supposed domination of putting a running clock on JCA when IC put an even more impressive 42-0 smack down on the Hilltoppers.
This is why we need IC, St Francis and Bishop Mac all in the Catholic league so we can hopefully figure out who is the best.
The ESCC and CCL merger helped to move us in that direction.
Naz JCA game was 49-7 after 3 qtrs. Any JCA points after that we’re in garbage time. Naz game was week 8 much closer to JCA’s peak and run at title compared to week 2 against IC. Also, maybe trivial but JCA and IC game had starts and stops with long delays due to storms/lightning... think it ended very late. So not a normal flow to the game. We are splitting hairs on 2 butt whoopings. If you want to think IC is better than Naz that’s your prerogative but it’s still wrong...
And I’m not the only one that thinks this.... the great Edgy himself has Naz at 3 in his week 3 Chicago area power rankings and IC is not on his top 30.
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Even when IC was steam rolling everyone a couple years ago and a bunch of people said they could compete in 5 or 6A, Edgy never really seemed to give them much of a look, so take the rankings with a grain of salt. After all, polls and rankings are just that and until teams actually face off, you never quite know what's gonna happen.Naz JCA game was 49-7 after 3 qtrs. Any JCA points after that we’re in garbage time. Naz game was week 8 much closer to JCA’s peak and run at title compared to week 2 against IC. Also, maybe trivial but JCA and IC game had starts and stops with long delays due to storms/lightning... think it ended very late. So not a normal flow to the game. We are splitting hairs on 2 butt whoopings. If you want to think IC is better than Naz that’s your prerogative but it’s still wrong...
And I’m not the only one that thinks this.... the great Edgy himself has Naz at 3 in his week 3 Chicago area power rankings and IC is not on his top 30.
Rankings schmankings IC has been legit the past few years. I would’ve taken them vs anyone up to 6a short of maybe Prairie Ridge. This year not sure how troublesome they are. I’m guessing they still have a great defense and great line play. 2015-2018 they had killer RB and dual threat QB. This might be the year somebody finally knocks them off, especially considering 4A looks pretty deep.
iamgroot,
Edgy likely did not give IC a look unless IC plays and knocks off a powerful 5a or 6a team or above when they are on a hot streak.
I also thought Naz was better than Loyola last year but Edgy picked Loyola #1. Now if Naz scheduled a non-con game against a CCL Blue team (Loyola, BR or Mt Carmel) and beat them last year then I think that changes Edgy's mind
I remember Montini never got their due in the rankings until they scheduled non-con games against Palatine, East St Louis and Maine South and beat them.
We also lost to those teams too but you have to play them take your lumps and you learn how to beat them.
Edgy likely did not give IC a look unless IC plays and knocks off a powerful 5a or 6a team or above when they are on a hot streak.
I also thought Naz was better than Loyola last year but Edgy picked Loyola #1. Now if Naz scheduled a non-con game against a CCL Blue team (Loyola, BR or Mt Carmel) and beat them last year then I think that changes Edgy's mind
I remember Montini never got their due in the rankings until they scheduled non-con games against Palatine, East St Louis and Maine South and beat them.
We also lost to those teams too but you have to play them take your lumps and you learn how to beat them.
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Naz JCA game was 49-7 after 3 qtrs. Any JCA points after that we’re in garbage time. Naz game was week 8 much closer to JCA’s peak and run at title compared to week 2 against IC. Also, maybe trivial but JCA and IC game had starts and stops with long delays due to storms/lightning... think it ended very late. So not a normal flow to the game. We are splitting hairs on 2 butt whoopings. If you want to think IC is better than Naz that’s your prerogative but it’s still wrong...
And I’m not the only one that thinks this.... the great Edgy himself has Naz at 3 in his week 3 Chicago area power rankings and IC is not on his top 30.
Your original post implied that you weren’t even aware that IC beat JCA 42-0. As if Naz was the only one. Carry on.
Marist 34 Naz 13 2018
Marist 42 Naz 0. 2017
Naz better than Loyola? Stop it.
Marist 42 Naz 0. 2017
Naz better than Loyola? Stop it.
They lost 3 last year. If starting QB plays entire season. They likely lose less. Still 8A champs. No one in the state was beating LA during their playoff run.
I'm done discussing this one. It's been debated enough. In the end I will say not every newspaper had Loyola ranked #1 overall.
I was in a car with a Loyola fellow and a MC fellow last fall discussing LWE. And I told them that despite whatever was going on with those losses that the only team I could see beating LWE was a healthy LA.
But that is beside the point. This thread is about whether 4A is better than 5A because of IC, CC, Rochester, and B Mac.
The only part directed at you was under the quote. The rest was to the thread in general. Some people on the board, comically, try to argue classes being better than 8A. So I flipped it on them.
Nobody can bear ESL if they are in 5A in my opinion but if you take the top five or six teams in 4A they could be very competitive in 5A this season. IC, Rochester, Richmond Burton, CC could be top ten teams in 5A
You can make an argument some years the top team in one class is better then another. However when it comes to 1-32 depth, a lower class is never deeper than the next highest class.
The topic vs what the OP put in his message are a bit conflicted. His actual message seemed to be focusing more on the few teams than the class as a whole. I agree that 1-32 is no way better in 4 than 5.
It's still early in the season though, so I'd be loathe to make broad statements regarding any of it yet.
If you would take the 5A & 4A playoff fields and put them together in a playoff bracket of 64 teams, you would have an interesting result. My guess is the first two rounds would go as you would expect, with higher seeds & power programs prevailing most of the time. Sweet 16 would begin to make decisions...
Week 2 is not a good time for this discussion. On this basis, people should be saying 3A Wilmington should be competitive in 5A this year. They beat Evergreen Park, a 5A quarterfinalist last year, in a dominant shutout week one. They running clocked Oak Lawn Community, a big 6A school, week two. And this week, they get to travel to Streator, the 5A school in the ICE, and clearly should be the favorite - perhaps another running clock. But to suggest the Wildcats could be a 5A favorite...naw, lets not go there. 2014, the Cats beat Manteno & Coal City - who met in the 4A quarters. Sure, a few schools could be very competitive a class up.
The 2016 3A title IC would likely have been competitive in 6A. Why do I know this? Because week 2 they put up 63 points on eventual 6A semifinalist St. Laurence...but they gave up 49. Last year IC running clocked JCA, the 5A champs, early in the year, and beat them again this year.
Coal City lost to Morris last year, went quarters while Morris missed the playoffs. Beating Morris & Mac is great...but the only other 5A team on their schedule is Streator...Competitive in 5A? sure. dominant? probably not.
Week 2 is not a good time for this discussion. On this basis, people should be saying 3A Wilmington should be competitive in 5A this year. They beat Evergreen Park, a 5A quarterfinalist last year, in a dominant shutout week one. They running clocked Oak Lawn Community, a big 6A school, week two. And this week, they get to travel to Streator, the 5A school in the ICE, and clearly should be the favorite - perhaps another running clock. But to suggest the Wildcats could be a 5A favorite...naw, lets not go there. 2014, the Cats beat Manteno & Coal City - who met in the 4A quarters. Sure, a few schools could be very competitive a class up.
The 2016 3A title IC would likely have been competitive in 6A. Why do I know this? Because week 2 they put up 63 points on eventual 6A semifinalist St. Laurence...but they gave up 49. Last year IC running clocked JCA, the 5A champs, early in the year, and beat them again this year.
Coal City lost to Morris last year, went quarters while Morris missed the playoffs. Beating Morris & Mac is great...but the only other 5A team on their schedule is Streator...Competitive in 5A? sure. dominant? probably not.
An opt in open class could settle all these arguments
Nah, because inevitably, not everyone would opt-in, leaving still the question.