Is Donald Trump technically a paid "provocateur/protester" during a GOP sponsored rally/protest?

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"Farley, however, said the legislation does far more than simply going after those who might incite people to riot, something which actually already is a crime. And he warned Republicans that such a broad law could end up being used against some of their allies."

Arizona Senate votes to seize assets of those who plan, participate in protests that turn violent.

Claiming people are being paid to riot, Republican state senators voted Wednesday to give police new power to arrest anyone who is involved in a peaceful demonstration that may turn bad — even before anything actually happened.


SB1142 expands the state’s racketeering laws, now aimed at organized crime, to also include rioting. And it redefines what constitutes rioting to include actions that result in damage to the property of others.


But the real heart of the legislation is what Democrats say is the guilt by association — and giving the government the right to criminally prosecute and seize the assets of everyone who planned a protest and everyone who participated. And what’s worse, said Sen. Steve Farley, D-Tucson, is that the person who may have broken a window, triggering the claim there was a riot, might actually not be a member of the group but someone from the other side.


Sen. Martin Quezada, D-Phoenix, acknowledged that sometimes what’s planned as a peaceful demonstration can go south.


“When people want to express themselves as a group during a time of turmoil, during a time of controversy, during a time of high emotions, that’s exactly when people gather as a community,’’ he said. “Sometimes they yell, sometimes they scream, sometimes they do go too far.’’


Quezada said, though, that everything that constitutes rioting already is a crime, ranging from assault to criminal damage, and those responsible can be individually prosecuted. He said the purpose of this bill appears to be designed to chill the First Amendment rights of people to decide to demonstrate in the first place for fear something could wrong.
http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2017/02/22/arizona-senate-crackdown-on-protests/

http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2017/02/22/arizona-senate-crackdown-on-protests/
 

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"Farley, however, said the legislation does far more than simply going after those who might incite people to riot, something which actually already is a crime. And he warned Republicans that such a broad law could end up being used against some of their allies."

Arizona Senate votes to seize assets of those who plan, participate in protests that turn violent.

Claiming people are being paid to riot, Republican state senators voted Wednesday to give police new power to arrest anyone who is involved in a peaceful demonstration that may turn bad — even before anything actually happened.


SB1142 expands the state’s racketeering laws, now aimed at organized crime, to also include rioting. And it redefines what constitutes rioting to include actions that result in damage to the property of others.


But the real heart of the legislation is what Democrats say is the guilt by association — and giving the government the right to criminally prosecute and seize the assets of everyone who planned a protest and everyone who participated. And what’s worse, said Sen. Steve Farley, D-Tucson, is that the person who may have broken a window, triggering the claim there was a riot, might actually not be a member of the group but someone from the other side.



Sen. Martin Quezada, D-Phoenix, acknowledged that sometimes what’s planned as a peaceful demonstration can go south.



“When people want to express themselves as a group during a time of turmoil, during a time of controversy, during a time of high emotions, that’s exactly when people gather as a community,’’ he said. “Sometimes they yell, sometimes they scream, sometimes they do go too far.’’



Quezada said, though, that everything that constitutes rioting already is a crime, ranging from assault to criminal damage, and those responsible can be individually prosecuted. He said the purpose of this bill appears to be designed to chill the First Amendment rights of people to decide to demonstrate in the first place for fear something could wrong.

http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2017/02/22/arizona-senate-crackdown-on-protests/
I'm fine with beating the **** out of people with batons and turning the dogs loose on them when it gets violent and destructive, but I'm not in favor of the police state. And let's be honest, it's pretty easy to get a mob from civil to riots. Just follow the constitution, it's pretty easy.
 

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I'm fine with beating the **** out of people with batons and turning the dogs loose on them when it gets violent and destructive, but I'm not in favor of the police state. And let's be honest, it's pretty easy to get a mob from civil to riots. Just follow the constitution, it's pretty easy.
I noticed you said "when IT gets violent", not "they". That sounds like a "police state" to me.
 

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I noticed you said "when IT gets violent", not "they". That sounds like a "police state" to me.
 

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I noticed you said "when IT gets violent", not "they". That sounds like a "police state" to me.
WTF are you talking about?

It, the mob, the situation, whatever. When things or people go from civil to riots, beat their *** and lock them up. As long as its civil, they have that protected right and I expect the Gov't to allow them to exercise it.
 
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He said the purpose of this bill appears to be designed to chill the First Amendment rights of people to decide to demonstrate in the first place for fear something could wrong.

This is what I've been talking about in numerous posts on this board. Whether it is a free press, free speech, the right to peaceably assemble, any of the guarantees of the First Amendment; they are under attack. It is a sad commentary on what is happening today in America.
 

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WTF are you talking about?

It, the mob, the situation, whatever. When things or people go from civil to riots, beat their *** and lock them up. As long as its civil, they have that protected right and I expect the Gov't to allow them to exercise it.
I recognize the danger to our freedom that you are ignoring. We're discussing "protests/rallies". You seem to be advocating violence and restraint against any citizen in the vicinity of a crowd or "mob". That includes the "protesters" on both sides. "Protester' by legal definition could be anyone opposing a stance or viewpoint. This is the point of my post.
 
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This is what I've been talking about in numerous posts on this board. Whether it is a free press, free speech, the right to peaceably assemble, any of the guarantees of the First Amendment; they are under attack. It is a sad commentary on what is happening today in America.

And some states even considering legislation to make it legal to run over protestors with a vehicle. smh.
 

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This might be hard for a monkey to understand but the dog said nothing about violence to control a riot in this sentence. "I'm fine with beating the **** out of people with batons and turning the dogs loose on them when it gets violent and destructive, but I'm not in favor of the police state."
 

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This might be hard for a monkey to understand but the dog said nothing about violence to control a riot in this sentence. "I'm fine with beating the **** out of people with batons and turning the dogs loose on them when it gets violent and destructive, but I'm not in favor of the police state."

With the topic that was being discussed, I'm sure you could have derived the meaning, if you had tried.
 

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"Farley, however, said the legislation does far more than simply going after those who might incite people to riot, something which actually already is a crime. And he warned Republicans that such a broad law could end up being used against some of their allies."

Arizona Senate votes to seize assets of those who plan, participate in protests that turn violent.

Claiming people are being paid to riot, Republican state senators voted Wednesday to give police new power to arrest anyone who is involved in a peaceful demonstration that may turn bad — even before anything actually happened.


SB1142 expands the state’s racketeering laws, now aimed at organized crime, to also include rioting. And it redefines what constitutes rioting to include actions that result in damage to the property of others.


But the real heart of the legislation is what Democrats say is the guilt by association — and giving the government the right to criminally prosecute and seize the assets of everyone who planned a protest and everyone who participated. And what’s worse, said Sen. Steve Farley, D-Tucson, is that the person who may have broken a window, triggering the claim there was a riot, might actually not be a member of the group but someone from the other side.



Sen. Martin Quezada, D-Phoenix, acknowledged that sometimes what’s planned as a peaceful demonstration can go south.



“When people want to express themselves as a group during a time of turmoil, during a time of controversy, during a time of high emotions, that’s exactly when people gather as a community,’’ he said. “Sometimes they yell, sometimes they scream, sometimes they do go too far.’’



Quezada said, though, that everything that constitutes rioting already is a crime, ranging from assault to criminal damage, and those responsible can be individually prosecuted. He said the purpose of this bill appears to be designed to chill the First Amendment rights of people to decide to demonstrate in the first place for fear something could wrong.

http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2017/02/22/arizona-senate-crackdown-on-protests/
I can't imagine that would stand up to court challenge.
 

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I recognize the danger to our freedom that you are ignoring. We're discussing "protests/rallies". You seem to be advocating violence and restraint against any citizen in the vicinity of a crowd or "mob". That includes the "protesters" on both sides. "Protester' by legal definition could be anyone opposing a stance or viewpoint. This is the point of my post.
Nope.

I said as long as they are peaceably assembling, allow them that opportunity. When it turns violent or destructive, beat their *** and lock them up.

Glad we have another drive by liberal who has all us Republicans pegged. You'll make like the 3rd or 4th one that has shown up since the election that gets educated.
 

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Nope.

I said as long as they are peaceably assembling, allow them that opportunity. When it turns violent or destructive, beat their *** and lock them up.

Glad we have another drive by liberal who has all us Republicans pegged. You'll make like the 3rd or 4th one that has shown up since the election that gets educated.

Again, "it" and "their" covers anyone within range of anyone causing problems. That's called a "police state". I don't need your petty generalities and non-informed judgement of me either. You don't have a clue who I am, or what I care about... save one thing expressed here, American freedom. Keep the personal comments to yourself.
 

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Again, "it" and "their" covers anyone within range of anyone causing problems. That's called a "police state". I don't need your petty generalities and non-informed judgement of me either. You don't have a clue who I am, or what I care about... save one thing expressed here, American freedom. Keep the personal comments to yourself.
Well, now we know you have trouble identifying antecedents and that you’re pretty thin-skinned.
 

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Again, "it" and "their" covers anyone within range of anyone causing problems. That's called a "police state". I don't need your petty generalities and non-informed judgement of me either. You don't have a clue who I am, or what I care about... save one thing expressed here, American freedom. Keep the personal comments to yourself.
You're being intentionally obtuse to try and frame your narrative and conflate what I'm saying.
 

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Again, "it" and "their" covers anyone within range of anyone causing problems. That's called a "police state". I don't need your petty generalities and non-informed judgement of me either. You don't have a clue who I am, or what I care about... save one thing expressed here, American freedom. Keep the personal comments to yourself.

A snowflake liberal at that.
 

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You 3 can take your little playground insults somewhere else. I have no use for your regurgitated hatred and tripe.
 

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Is this the new incarnation of WV Made? I've got the other douche on ignore, so I don't know if he is still posting. This guy came online as of Friday.
 

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Like I said, I have no use for childish nonsense. You're all on ignore. I'll advise you "Moderator" to keep your blather about me to yourself before I make a complaint about your harassment to Rivals. You don't get another chance.
 
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Like I said, I have no use for childish nonsense. You're all on ignore. I'll advise you "Moderator" to keep your blather about me to yourself before I make a complaint about your harassment to Rivals. You don't get another chance.

They are mentally inferior so name calling is all they have.
 

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Is this the new incarnation of WV Made? I've got the other douche on ignore, so I don't know if he is still posting. This guy came online as of Friday.
Seems to me that it is. I thought about posting the same thing
 

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Like I said, I have no use for childish nonsense. You're all on ignore. I'll advise you "Moderator" to keep your blather about me to yourself before I make a complaint about your harassment to Rivals. You don't get another chance.
What a pathetic crybaby. Call rivals you worthless ****.
 

CAJUNEER_rivals

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Like I said, I have no use for childish nonsense. You're all on ignore. I'll advise you "Moderator" to keep your blather about me to yourself before I make a complaint about your harassment to Rivals. You don't get another chance.
LOL. Is this VMF? Seriously. What a thin-skinned snowflake. Better find a safe space.
 

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Like I said, I have no use for childish nonsense. You're all on ignore. I'll advise you "Moderator" to keep your blather about me to yourself before I make a complaint about your harassment to Rivals. You don't get another chance.

Ok snowflake