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"Look who the bus dropped off" Washington state edition.

If the IHSA ever needs an investigator, this is the team to hire.

My favorite line:

"We have also encountered repeated, and unfounded, accusations that we are "racists," ostensibly because we have been unduly focused on the addresses given by the BHS football players of color."

On June 6, 2016, the football program received a 4-year post-season ban, as well as no nonleague games, no out-of-state opponents, no receiving donations from outside entities. These sanctions were put in place for violations including creating false addresses for athletes to gain eligibility, having boosters pay athletes’ tuition and coaches coordinating payments for athletes.
 
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"Look who the bus dropped off" Washington state edition.

If the IHSA ever needs an investigator, this is the team to hire.

My favorite line:

"We have also encountered repeated, and unfounded, accusations that we are "racists," ostensibly because we have been unduly focused on the addresses given by the BHS football players of color."

On June 6, 2016, the football program received a 4-year post-season ban, as well as no nonleague games, no out-of-state opponents, no receiving donations from outside entities. These sanctions were put in place for violations including creating false addresses for athletes to gain eligibility, having boosters pay athletes’ tuition and coaches coordinating payments for athletes.
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And the tuition paid was to a private school to enable players to compete at a public school!
 
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HRCJR said:
And the tuition paid was to a private school to enable players to compete at a public school!
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Glass house alert - were these payments to the Academic Institute for summer "catch-up" course work to bridge gaps for fall eligibility? I know Academy of Our Lady on 95th Street (or Dog-wood as it was unfortunately known) used to have summer math courses, but not sure if it was the AOL itself holding the classes and charging tuition under the premise that the credits would be accepted by CPS, or if CPS was merely renting the space to conduct summer course work.
 
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mchsalumni said:
This cannot be true, as this only happens in private schools.
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Private schools have alums pay the tuition of difference makers could otherwise not afford to attend the school. Public schools use fake leases.
 
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mc140 said:
Private schools have alums pay the tuition of difference makers could otherwise not afford to attend the school. Public schools use fake leases.
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You really think fake leases are used at the 2A-5A levels where the private schools are dominating????
 
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Cross Bones said:
So then you acknowledge they are playing by separate rules?
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Yes.


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Cross Bones said:
What is the hypocrisy?
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You guys are like Captain Renault in Casablanca. Shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!

The chatter that all private schools are operating in shady fashion, but quiet as church mice when it's a public school. The hypocritical part is the fact you (not necessarily YOU @Cross Bones) don't believe this happens in the public school world.
 
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I have never heard of a public school coach is this area recruiting a kid to come to his school... The parents might try to sneak this or that in, that's a different topic, but the coaches do not...

On the other hand, fingers are always pointed at the Catholic school... And I know for a fact it's happened..
 
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mchsalumni said:
You guys are like Captain Renault in Casablanca. Shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!

The chatter that all private schools are operating in shady fashion, but quiet as church mice when it's a public school. The hypocritical part is the fact you (not necessarily YOU @Cross Bones) don't believe this happens in the public school world.
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I dont think what was going on in Washington and in Georgia are representative of what goes on in Illinois public schools the same way I dont think what goes on at IMG or Don Bosco is representative of what goes on at Loyola or Montini. It's completely different scales. Those schools vying for national championships are not what HS football is about IMO.

I don't think most of us say there's shady business, I just think we acknowledge the differences and inability to classify both (actually all three) types of schools together. I hate to see what Phillips has as a follow up for 4A or possibly 3A.
 
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I live in a near west suburb of Chicago. My son attended a Catholic grade school. Most of the boys go to one of three Catholic High Schools. The coach of the football team at our local high school let the grade school team practice on HS property and use the stadium (for a very small fee) for games. He was at most home games and talked to the players on my son's team several times during the season about his program.

I think that is recruiting by a public school - and I am OK with that.
 
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mchsalumni said:
You guys are like Captain Renault in Casablanca. Shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!

The chatter that all private schools are operating in shady fashion, but quiet as church mice when it's a public school. The hypocritical part is the fact you (not necessarily YOU @Cross Bones) don't believe this happens in the public school world.
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did you really just pull a Captain Renault reference? Yes!
 
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Cross Bones said:
I dont think what was going on in Washington and in Georgia are representative of what goes on in Illinois public schools the same way I dont think what goes on at IMG or Don Bosco is representative of what goes on at Loyola or Montini. It's completely different scales. Those schools vying for national championships are not what HS football is about IMO.

I don't think most of us say there's shady business, I just think we acknowledge the differences and inability to classify both (actually all three) types of schools together. I hate to see what Phillips has as a follow up for 4A or possibly 3A.
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i like this post and point out you are usually wrong on this issue, but right on the rap.
 
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You really think fake leases are used at the 2A-5A levels where the private schools are dominating????
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The difference is you get all pissy when a kid chooses to go to Montini so they can beat over matched schools like Sycamore, but when a bunch of families move to Rochester to piss on all of 4a you see nothing wrong with that.

Parents are always looking for the easiest route for their kid to have success and win titles. It is why OPRF fields a wrestling team with virtually no one who attended Jr high in their district and kids routinely transfer into Catholic School programs that feed into smaller classes.
 
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I think recruiting for sports purposes is total crap, but private schools definitely are not the only ones guilty of doing it.
 
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I'm stuck at the airport. And reading some of the older threads..... I am originally from the Seattle/Bellevue area. What Bellevue did was completely over the top (taking advantage of a Little known loophole in the state where kids that attend a private school that does not offer sports can play for the public school in their geographic area)

Seems innocent enough at a high level... Let kids participate in activities that they don't have the opportunity to do in their current private school. But Bellevue hideously warped it and took advantage of a rule that was meant to be inclusive....allow kids to particate in after school activities not offered at their school.

It was common knowledge that Bellevue was recruiting,.... But it took a Seattle Times investigative reporter and a whistle blower or two for the total onion to get peeled away. There is a ton of tech/Microsoft money on the eastside tied to Bellevue boosters and they used it to set up a private school and then moved kids/families into the Bellevue school district and the new private school which was also in the Bellevue geographic school district area. Then the kids had to go to the private school that was set up (most of them for free) and since it didn't offer any sports - they played their sports at Bellevue.

This type of abuse takes hundreds of thousands and probably into the millions to implement. It's good to see that the powers that be in the state of Washington put the hammer down on this craziness.

Ps - there at no "success factors" in Washington that I am aware of. Bellevue stayed 3A regardless of all the back to back titles they won and they never moved up to 4A which is the highest class in the state of Washington.

That said very few teams in the state could compete with Bellevue regardless of class. Everyone once in a while a team would be able to...but it was rare. Bellevue started traveling out of state to play national powers in California, Texas etc. You don't see that kind of domination in the state of Illinois thank goodness. But it does show that if you sink a million or two over a few years into a corrupt program - you can collect a lot of titles!?
 
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