Thinking to Arizona opener for '99 season which we destroyed them. The thoughts today are Arizona FB was never the same. The 1999 Minnesota Game and the absolute gut punch that loss caused to the fans and to the program.
Is it fair to say the '99 Minesota loss took something out of this FB Program?
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No, it was almost 25 years ago. Almost nobody, and no one who makes any difference today was around the program then.
Yes, Sean Clifford was pretty much the last of that crew.
But to respond to the OP, no. You’re just reacting to the disappointment of the recent OSU loss, trying to find a similar low point to compare and contrast. We all do it one way or another, God knows what this says about me but I’ve been in a blue funk since Saturday. Sucks but comes with being a fan.
It was part of a string of events that happened IMO that hurt the program for several years, but not today's program. The following year was the Taliaferro injury and then Joe lost his brother George after that.
Is it fair to say the 2016 Big Ten Championship put something into to this program?
Yes, but only briefly. Probably will be the peak of Franklin's tenure.
Not this one, but a good case could be made that the 48-14 destruction of then #1 Pitt in 1981 pretty much blew up their program.
Not long term, no. It certainly put that team in a tailspin which I would be surprised to see repeated by this team.
I will say this last loss has taken the wind out of my sails in a way I haven’t had happen since the early 2000s losing teams where I questioned even watching games. I have no real interest in watching this Saturday. I’ll watch Michigan mostly out of a sense of obligation but with no real belief in a chance to win.
I will say this last loss has taken the wind out of my sails in a way I haven’t had happen since the early 2000s losing teams where I questioned even watching games. I have no real interest in watching this Saturday. I’ll watch Michigan mostly out of a sense of obligation but with no real belief in a chance to win.
Maybe the peak of his tenure, but I’d argue that his current roster (and maybe others) has significantly more talent from top to bottom, and especially in depth, than he had in 2016. Our measuring stick is tosu…on paper, we’re pretty damn close…more so than we were back then.
Bottom line - his (lack of) coaching is the difference. He’s not capable of getting to, let alone sustaining what tosu has…just doesn’t have it in him. And I’m more convinced than ever that that’s perfectly fine with the powers that be in the athletic department. Penn State will never be looked at as a “football factory” again.
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I disagree. I think the 1974 loss to Navy was the real gut punch and led us to today.
Talk about a short memory.....I'd say there was a more recent event that took much more out of the program than the '99 Minnesota loss. Despite that, the program seems to have recovered. Now if only our head coach would acknowledge that he can't run an offense.........
I was thinking Kentucky in 77
About as much as the 1979 Sugar Bowl loss still does.
But after the '99 season we went into a tailspin with the dark years and outside of '05 never were dominant to date.
Cold, non, stop rain-- --wooden bleachers
but Iowa 6-4 is good as guess as any so is Toledo 24-6
If anything took the air out of this program, it was the Media and NCAA. 409!!!
It didn't help, but neither did 4 losing seasons in 5 years with constant losses to Iowa, UM, and tOSU. PSU is basically 3 decades from their last truely elite season in 94. You can mix in 05 if you want to so it's 18 years or 2 times in the last 30 years. I think the perception that PSU was elite at any stretch in the last 30 years is for folks that lived through the 70's and 80's as the records dictate otherwise.
So many people thought the Lions would never recover from the 106 - 0 shellacking they took in (18)89
Yeah, and still it pops into my dreams biannually, I’d say. I invariably wake with cold iron in my gut. That was my rookie year on PlotIt. The meltdown that year, wow.No it hasn't but I remember that game like it was yesterday.
In the 1999-2004 era, yes, the malaise and lack of confidence began with the '99 Minnesota game. 2005 cleared all that up though, the aftershocks of '99 Minnesota no longer occur.
November 2011 to September 2016 had its own set of issues. We know how that one began. But that era basically ended with the Ohio State win that October.
But for this era --- the 2018-2023 era, the malaise and lack of confidence began with the '18 Ohio State game. Even more specifically, with that one damn 4th down call.
We haven't gotten beyond that particular earthquake though. Aftershocks still occurring.
November 2011 to September 2016 had its own set of issues. We know how that one began. But that era basically ended with the Ohio State win that October.
But for this era --- the 2018-2023 era, the malaise and lack of confidence began with the '18 Ohio State game. Even more specifically, with that one damn 4th down call.
We haven't gotten beyond that particular earthquake though. Aftershocks still occurring.
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good point, all we had back then was the letters to the editors of Catch Lion Fever.
This one felt like 6-4 to me. Opponent had absolutely zero respect for our offense in both.
That was one long *** bus ride from N.O. back to State College.
The Jerry Sandusky scandal took more out of the fans and program than any one game could possibly do.
I don’t think it permanently ruptured the program, but I did bring up the ‘99 team during the OSU game.
This year’s team is eerily similar to ‘98-99 when Kevin Thompson was QB. They had an absolutely dominant defense in ‘99 featuring guys like Courtney Brown and LaVar Arrington, and they couldn’t do anything on offense. Also, the play calling back then was the same ultra-conservative crap we’re seeing today.
Even an average offense would have been sufficient to beat Minnesota in ‘99.
And an average offense would’ve been enough to beat Ohio State on Saturday.
This year’s team is eerily similar to ‘98-99 when Kevin Thompson was QB. They had an absolutely dominant defense in ‘99 featuring guys like Courtney Brown and LaVar Arrington, and they couldn’t do anything on offense. Also, the play calling back then was the same ultra-conservative crap we’re seeing today.
Even an average offense would have been sufficient to beat Minnesota in ‘99.
And an average offense would’ve been enough to beat Ohio State on Saturday.
Personally, I'm still aching over the 106-0 loss to Lehigh in 1889.
This Board was brutal the weeks after that game.....in part because we were all writing our posts on scrolls and had to mail them to each other using Pony Express so it took a long time to get that game out of our system. A "like" was a thumbprint on the scroll.
With all due respect to Misters Short, Arrington and Brown....the defense blew 2 score 4th quarter leads in all three losses.