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iasooner1

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this year is reducing the prestige of the process ? Have we ever had an Orange Bowl or other traditional New Year's Day game played before Jan 1 ? It seems weird that other far lessor value games are being played after the "Final 4" teams see action...

"I don't know what tomorrow holds But I know who holds tomorrow"
 
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Yep Money money money. Was doing some Christmas shopping online last night. Go price some winter fan gear right now, 100 bucks for a 1/4 zip pullover. Take the logo off and its a 25.00 item.
 
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WhyNotaSooner said:
CFB has always been about money. Always. Nothing has changed but the names, uniforms, and TV coverage.
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What college or professional sport hasn't been about making money ?
What matters more is what teams do with that money and/or how money influences decisions on players' and coaches' misdeeds.
 
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CTOkie said:
What college or professional sport hasn't been about making money ?
What matters more is what teams do with that money and/or how money influences decisions on players' and coaches' misdeeds.
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I don't didpute that. But a question was presented to the board and I answered it.
 
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As a side note the Jeep Dealer called me the other day and offered me 1,000 off a new Wrangler lol, I told him the new JL's are way overpriced and that my 2014 is paid off with only 15,000 miles on it then hung up the phone. 1,000 off a 38,000 vehicle lmao. Its not just sports, EVERYBODY wants your money.
 
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Yeah $$$$$$; but why not stay with traditional schedule (NYD) extra eyes & $$$$$$$$ that usually implies ?, was my Original Thought or something close to it I suppose..
The networks have all the analytic data nailed for their decision to play 12/29 no doubt
 
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iasooner1 said:
this year is reducing the prestige of the process ? Have we ever had an Orange Bowl or other traditional New Year's Day game played before Jan 1 ? It seems weird that other far lessor value games are being played after the "Final 4" teams see action...

"I don't know what tomorrow holds But I know who holds tomorrow"
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The Sugar Bowl had been played on New Year's Eve many, many times.
 
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Seems to me an 8 or 16-team playoff system would garner a lot more money than most of these toilet bowls do. Heck, you could still honor bowl games to schools, but meaningful playoff games played over the course of a month would bring in A LOT more money so how is money behind not expanding the playoffs?
 
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Seems to me an 8 or 16-team playoff system would garner a lot more money than most of these toilet bowls do. Heck, you could still honor bowl games to schools, but meaningful playoff games played over the course of a month would bring in A LOT more money so how is money behind not expanding the playoffs?
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I heard it all has to do with WHO is currently making money (think Bowl Committees+NCAA big wigs). There's some good 'ol boy network going on and the people currently lining their pockets in the current system are likely to lose out in an expanded playoffs. Those same people apparently also have a say in expansion or not. Ergo, they have no personal incentive to expand -- on the contrary have all the incentive in the world to keep things as is.

The example I heard was:
Current system: Bowl Committee gets 50% of the Revenue, and the Teams get 50%.
Playoffs (if they cutout the bowls): Committee gets nothing, teams get most of the Revenue after expenses.

I haven't bothered sourcing this information, but seems reasonable :p
 
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Will never do away with Bowls. Too many people involved with making that decision benefit financially from the bowl system. Too many AD’s and coaches get bonuses for making it to a bowl game. Too many big shots get paid lots of money be the chairman or whatever of each bowl. If you read the book “Death to the BCS” you’ll learn a lot about the reasons for the current bowl system. Including how little money teams actually profit from many of the bowls.
 
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Doesn't make sense because the playoff games are still being played in the bowls. Example: OU vs Bama is in the Orange Bowl. No one gets cut out, but more people will tune in so more money is to be made. Like I said, seems to me that expanding the playoffs would make them a lot more money, not less to the ones already bringing in money.
 
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Soonermade, there is no doubt that an expanded playoffs would make huge money. However the individuals calling the shots don’t want to do away with their cash cow system. As it is now with so many bowls and teams only needing 6 wins to make a bowl, many coaches and AD’s get bonus money. If more bowls are tied into the playoffs then fewer teams get to make a bowl. Many of the bowls actually cost schools money but schools accept them for the bonuses paid to AD’s and coaches that accept the bowl invitation.
 
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Rush2112Sooner said:
I heard it all has to do with WHO is currently making money (think Bowl Committees+NCAA big wigs). There's some good 'ol boy network going on and the people currently lining their pockets in the current system are likely to lose out in an expanded playoffs. Those same people apparently also have a say in expansion or not. Ergo, they have no personal incentive to expand -- on the contrary have all the incentive in the world to keep things as is.

The example I heard was:
Current system: Bowl Committee gets 50% of the Revenue, and the Teams get 50%.
Playoffs (if they cutout the bowls): Committee gets nothing, teams get most of the Revenue after expenses.

I haven't bothered sourcing this information, but seems reasonable :p
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It's about power. Those that are in power control the process by assigning a committee of people that makes the choices/selections of what schools are considered 'top' teams. This power & control process do not wish to relinquish their power by allowing the teams to settle it on the field. They want control. This is why we have ESPN contracts and thus fans that chant SEC. Not too long ago there was a powerful group of people that controlled what we all watched on NBC every Saturday.... Notre Dame. It literally took Disney/ABC/ESPN to break this power play. I have no idea when the next power play will take effect, but you can bet your bottom dollar that some are doing everything they can to make another move to take control of the revenue streams of CFB.

Power = $$$$$
 
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Expanding the playoffs would not do away with the bowls, just like now, but rather, the playoff games, which would garner A LOT more attention, would still be played in specific bowl venues, making MORE money. Simple math.

The lesser bowls would still showcase teams winning at least 6 games like now.

Bigger bowls like the Orange, Rose, Sugar, etc... would showcase the playoff games.
 
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Well, when they are dealing with fanbases that will ***** and cry no matter what they do, then why not just be all about the money?? It's not like they will ever make every fanbase happy every year.
 
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Now you see what I meant when contemplating this; tomorrow praying for tosu (and all b1g teams) to lose, otherwise we have to listen to all their blabber for the next 9 months
 
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I think the 4 team playoff is already killing the bowls. It has made rhe rest of the bowls irrelevant to the point players are skipping out of them like we saw with Will Grier. If grier plays, thst should be an easy WVU win. Instead, you saw terrible wvu QB play and a loss. Fans didn't want to see whoever WVU's bowl QB was. They wanted to see Grier.

As more and more star players opt out of non-playoff bowls, the already low interest in lesser bowls will plummet. The major bowls will be fine, as they are part of the playoff venues.
 
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The problem is most of these guys do not have NFL careers ahead. Only a finite number of slots and you got to meet their criteria. Grier for example...before season...Heisman front runner. End of season craps on WV team mates. For what ? To maybe make a back up 3rd stringer. At least close the season out proving you are even worth that. I don’t buy the risk of injury thing. You have to earn the next level.
 
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Realistically only a few bowls, even before the BCS and Playoff, were ever "important". The reason guys are starting to skip has nothing to do with the playoffs and more to do with the ever widening gap between what players are being paid in college vs. potential NFL pay. The NFL salaries for 1st, 2nd, and even 3rd rounder rookies are getting to the point that guys in college will continue to skip ****** bowl games. You don't want them to? Start paying them in college.
 
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The one thing I have always loved about CFB, over than any other college or pro sport, is that the REGULAR season means the most....as it should always be. There's really little or no margin for error.
No two-loss team has ever been in the CFB final four. This means every game in September-October-November-early December are equally important. But I believe in time, when the playoff format eventually balloons to 8 or more teams, there will be a two-loss team winning a national championship.
The big games played in college basketball between the elite teams during the regular season mean nothing since it is what a team does in the conference tournaments and then the ridiculously long NCAA Tourney.....and then there's the meaningless NIT Tourney. So in college basketball, it only matters what a team does in its last 6 games after the regular season. And in the history of the NCAA Basketball Tournament, the best team often does not win the championship. Teams with a 16-10 record, like Villanova in 1985 can win while teams like the great 1983 Houston Cougars (Phi Slamma-Jama) and the great 1988 Oklahoma team can lose to a 26-10 and 4th place in the ACC NC State team or a 27-11 and 3rd place Big 8 Kansas team.
To say that a basketball team losing 8-10 games or more is the best team in the country is silly and it means the entire regular season was meaningless.
I grew up seeing Oklahoma rendered ineligible for bowl competition (1954 and 1956, two of OU's greatest teams) due to Big 8 rules against repeat appearances. I saw Michigan go 30-2-1 from 1972-74 and not being allowed to go to a bowl. (The Big 10 champ was in the Rose Bowl and that was that). So for me, I enjoy the current bowl season as it is and as I always have.
The bowl venue is a good reward for players, coaches and fans....it provides bragging rights for each conference and its fans (as evident on this message board)....it provides 15 more days of practice to develop younger players....and each bowl has its own flavor (because each team generally represents its own region of the country), which gives fans an opportunity to see interesting match ups.
Four games suits me fine, but I know it will expand in the near future.
And if the Viagra Fight Erectile Dysfunction Bowl between East Upper Armpit A&M and Our Lady of That Was No Lady That Was My Wife University doesn't interest you, watch a movie.
 
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Maybe its because OU isn't playing, but the season sure seems like it drags and drags towards the end. I'm getting tired of football....did I just say that
 
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Maybe its because OU isn't playing, but the season sure seems like it drags and drags towards the end. I'm getting tired of football....did I just say that
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I like the change of seasons from baseball (April-October) to college football (September-January) and I really like it when the two sports overlap in the Fall. When one season ends, I'm ready for the next season.
 
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