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bbnkat02

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Lol. No Qb and no backup Qb. Let someone else start the game threads. This is embarrassing.
Been starting those threads longer than you’ve been around here that’s for sure.

And I’ll be honest. Sick of these new posters like you that think you can tell folks like me how to fan when I’ve been watching UK basketball for 35+ years. I know what UK Basketball is supposed to look like. Last night wasn’t it.

it’s not the end of the world. Life goes on. But fans have every right to not be happy about that garbage performance last night.
 

BigBlueGuru

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Nobody played with any intensity tonight. Chandler is not a PG. Jasper playing 1 on 5. Noah getting burned on defense and not getting any shots off. Kam oh lawd that’s too lengthy to get into. BG brought nothing. Moreno looked like he was competing just wasn’t his night and had a few bad turnovers. OO shooting is a problem. Jelavic didn’t seem to get much run in the second half.

Everyone played great against Purdue. That was not the case tonight. We’re not as good as we looked against Purdue and not as bad as we looked tonight.

With the full roster good to go we will be fine.
I disagree as I didn't think either Kentucky or Purdue looked all that good. We won but in my opinion we just sucked less that day than Purdue who shot horrible and their defense sucked. Tonight our defense sucked and we couldn't hit anything. Georgetown couldnt miss.
 
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KyLegacyBBN

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I am concerned with three point shooting. That will probably improve with everything else once Lowe returns.
 

Eagles_Ball_69

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More worried about how the guys that did play looked
This. We’ve got some issues. For all the supposed depth, I’m not sure a lot of those pieces are really usable yet.

Perimeter positions…Have to play 3 of Lowe, Aberdeen, Oweh, and Johnson. The remaining guys don’t look capable. One of Chandler, Noah, and Williams simply has to find a way to provide some quality minutes. None of them have shown it yet.

I’m fairly comfortable at the 4 spot. MO D and Jelavich seem like will be fine.

As much concerns as I have about the 3 guard spots, the 5 spot might concern me more. When/if JQ returns it’s going to be fine. Until then, or if he doesn’t…man, this is an issue. BG isn’t good enough, and probably won’t ever be. He’s the same player he was last season. That’s fine if he’s a 10-12 min backup. Moreno has shown promise. He’s better than BG, but I’m not sure he’s ready for 28 mins of SEC play at the 5. That’s a big ask.

I don’t want this to be true, but I’m fearful it is. Pope is going to try to will Garrison and Chandler both into a role. You can see, hear, and feel it. Neither are capable of being major rotation pieces on a championship level team. It’s just not there.
 

megablue

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Based on our 2-game sample and after everyone is healthy, it appears we will need a tighter rotation against good teams. Extended minutes to the bench may provide too much slippage. A tighter blending seems inevitable to me, as of right now.
 
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Eagles_Ball_69

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You and I both know this is Kentucky and damn it, they all matter. Especially at Rupp.

That being said. Season isn't over. BUT if that's who we are, I'm gonna need Valium to survive until March, especially coupled with clown show on the gridiron.
By no means do I think Pope should’ve played any player that was even a consideration of being out. This comment is about the effort and crappy play by those on the court.

If these exhibition games truly “don’t matter” as some are saying…Why did Pope schedule Georgetown and Purdue?
 
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CRZ4UK

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Not what I’m saying at all. My point is we seem to have an issue with guys that go down with injury waaayyy too easily. In no way am I saying to play injured guys.
I was shocked at Lowe’s injury. There was zero contact. I keep hearing he bumped OWEH but I’ve watched it several times and he didn’t. A no contact injury to your shoulder has you out 2 weeks?
I definitely see what you’re saying.
 
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ik its still early in popes tenure but i hope the recruiting gets better eventually, i feel yucky being "out talented" by teams often

We spent the most money. That's why it was concerning to hear him talk about being unable to win on individual talent. We mostly have a bunch of really good supporting players. That's fine but not at 22 mil.

No matter how well we do this year, he needs to figure out how to get better players for that money or get these role players much cheaper.

That said, i think we'll be fine. Jq just needs to be the beast we think and stay healthy. Hes the only true difference maker.

The healthy part is concerning because I agree with OP that currently guys are not going to play through any injury whatsoever. Minor bumps and bruises are it.
 

yoshukai

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This. We’ve got some issues. For all the supposed depth, I’m not sure a lot of those pieces are really usable yet.

Perimeter positions…Have to play 3 of Lowe, Aberdeen, Oweh, and Johnson. The remaining guys don’t look capable. One of Chandler, Noah, and Williams simply has to find a way to provide some quality minutes. None of them have shown it yet.

I’m fairly comfortable at the 4 spot. MO D and Jelavich seem like will be fine.

As much concerns as I have about the 3 guard spots, the 5 spot might concern me more. When/if JQ returns it’s going to be fine. Until then, or if he doesn’t…man, this is an issue. BG isn’t good enough, and probably won’t ever be. He’s the same player he was last season. That’s fine if he’s a 10-12 min backup. Moreno has shown promise. He’s better than BG, but I’m not sure he’s ready for 28 mins of SEC play at the 5. That’s a big ask.

I don’t want this to be true, but I’m fearful it is. Pope is going to try to will Garrison and Chandler both into a role. You can see, hear, and feel it. Neither are capable of being major rotation pieces on a championship level team. It’s just not there.
this^
 

gbl97

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I was shocked at Lowe’s injury. There was zero contact. I keep hearing he bumped OWEH but I’ve watched it several times and he didn’t. A no contact injury to your shoulder has you out 2 weeks?
I definitely see what you’re saying.
It looked to me like Oweh locked arms with Lowe and to keep him from getting the ball, then when Lowe went for the ball, it pulled his shoulder out. Basically a hook and hold shoulder injury, just horizontal instead of vertical.
 

megablue

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It looked to me like Oweh locked arms with Lowe and to keep him from getting the ball, then when Lowe went for the ball, it pulled his shoulder out. Basically a hook and hold shoulder injury, just horizontal instead of vertical.
It appeared to me that Lowe injured his shoulder as he braced for the fall to the floor ... I could be wrong, of course, but that is how I saw it.
 

Cats192

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Why not try some Hawthorne if Kam and Noah can not work

At least it could not be gotten worse and at least Hawthorne could get some experience
People always say this. It CAN get worse. It's possible that Hawthorne's deficiencies are far worse than Noah and Kam's.
 

Cats192

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I know people love to say "This is Kentucky, no excuses. Win no matter what." There's no magic in the jersey. When you're missing key players, the team is less good. That's a fact--not an excuse.

If we don't have Lowe/Aberdeen, we're going to be a significantly worse team. And if some of you are expecting the team to "Just win at any cost, this is Kentucky, it's what we do" you're going to be disappointed.

All that said, we played like hot, lazy, garbage for 30 minutes. People were going through the motions like it was a practice walk through. We were taking horrible step back 3's. We weren't fighting for rebounds or balls. We parted the seas on defense like it was an all-star game and defense wasn't allowed.

We're better than that. And if they let last night be a lesson--we'll be completely fine. If it happens in a real game, I'll be a lot more upset/concerned.
 

rivercatinfl

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Georgetown on paper, had put together a transfer heavy team.

I don't want to give them more credit than Purdue, but you're telling me lacking a strong guard made the game difficult for us?

And Mack got to be interviewed by travis ford at the end of the game??What is this?

No way Georgetown can't compete in the Big East.
GT did a nice job of exploiting our weaknesses.
 

rivercatinfl

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We were really flat last night. Most of what went wrong was because of the GT defense and our poor shooting.
However, GT did manhandle us and that exposed what we suffered through last year with teams pinching us in the mouth and we shrank from the contact.
It's one game and an exhibition to boot but IMO, we aren't as good as we thought and probably aren't nearly as bad as we played last night either.

We'll see how things change next week and at UL. We better get tough in a hurry and our role players need to be much more effective.
 

Eagles_Ball_69

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I know we’re better shooters. CC couldn’t find the Kentucky River and we’ve seen him shoot way better.

I just hope it was a really bad night and nothing more.
Way better? That’s inaccurate. He shot it good for like four games last yr. The rest of the year and what we’ve seen in the BW and two exhibitions he has shot horrid. I’m not sure he’s a very good shooter at all.
 
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KYFOSSIL

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Noah, Chandler, and Williams should not any meaningful minutes this year. If they do and we lose double digit games with by far the most expensive roster, I am worried we have a coach problem.

We spent the most money. That's why it was concerning to hear him talk about being unable to win on individual talent. We mostly have a bunch of really good supporting players. That's fine but not at 22 mil.

No matter how well we do this year, he needs to figure out how to get better players for that money or get these role players much cheaper.

That said, i think we'll be fine. Jq just needs to be the beast we think and stay healthy. Hes the only true difference maker.

The healthy part is concerning because I agree with OP that currently guys are not going to play through any injury whatsoever. Minor bumps and bruises are it.
Nobody has verified the 22 million amount as far as I know and nobody knows what the other teams are spending so they Kentucky spend more than anybody just speculation
 
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Cat2016win

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Within our program of guys being soft and constantly “hurt”? I 100% understand this was an exhibition but the standard at UK is to effin WIN AND WIN AT ALL COSTS! Tonight was an embarrassment and one I hope isn’t a reoccurring theme.
I’m not sure if you all are trolls or have borderline personality disorder. Down three players, exhibition game, rotation configuring and we just played a good game against Purdue. The internet made ppl live in extremes and it sucks.
 
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More worried about how the guys that did play looked
Exactly. I was hesitant with Chandler at the PG spot and last night just confirmed my feelings. He's just not fluid and relaxed enough at the moment. He seems best served splitting mins at the 2/3, not as the primary ball handler/facilitator. Chandler operates much better off the catch shooting and attacking the basket. (Much like a Jeff Sheppard)
 
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Nobody has verified the 22 million amount as far as I know and nobody knows what the other teams are spending so they Kentucky spend more than anybody just speculation

Its been reported numerous times from a few sources. Never been disputed. Also there were stories about how Pope embraces the notion of basketball nil mecca.

So whatever the exact number is, we're paying the most.
 
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UKnine

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People counting JQ as missing the game are ridiculous. He had his surgery March 19. Pope probably made a massive mistake pinning his championship hopes on a guy that might not play or if he does play late will be a shell of himself and rusty as hell.
 

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Everyone has injuries and there is no excuse to lose to a team like this at rupp a blowout that does matter a game at rupp matters regardless of it being a exbition . We are never healthy never been healthy in 10 yrs are you saying that we're gonna use the injury excuse like we've used the last 10 yrs . Sure seems like it . Still should've won with what we had which was a 22 mil roster who is "deep" as everyone says then it shouldn't matter that some people are "injured" if we're that "deep"
I didn’t make excuses and yes we should always win at Rupp. Just saying everyone played bad but basically with a point guard we will be ok moving forward. We have no one that could or put forth the effort to contain there point guard. I also said in this thread and the before the Purdue game in the thread that every game matters. I’m not about to whine or give up on this team after one bad performance. Well I probably whined a little in the heat of battle.
 
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Well, it kinda was your point. If they had a hangnail, it wasn’t worth playing in this game. The game had no value at all. Exactly which injured would you have put at greater risk in a this meaningless contest?

Treatment of injury is much more conservative these days. That’s a smart thing .
I’m here to argue that it’s not such a smart thing and breeds more soft and injury prone guys going forward. In past years guys didn’t puss out for every little “hangnail” as you put it. Denzel had a “sore leg” ffs!!! Get tf out there and play ball! They’re being PAID VERY HANDSOMELY to do so! A sore leg should never be the cause to be in street clothes not helping your team avoid an embarrassing loss to an inferior team on your home court!
 
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*Fox2Monk*

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Exactly. I was hesitant with Chandler at the PG spot and last night just confirmed my feelings. He's just not fluid and relaxed enough at the moment. He seems best served splitting mins at the 2/3, not as the primary ball handler/facilitator. Chandler operates much better off the catch shooting and attacking the basket. (Much like a Jeff Sheppard)
Exactly, imagine how 1998 team would have looked had Turner been out and Sheppard forced to run the show.
 

bbnkat02

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I’m here to argue that it’s not such a smart thing and breeds more soft and injury prone guys going forward. In past years guys didn’t puss out for every little “hangnail” as you put it. Denzel had a “sore leg” ffs!!! Get tf out there and play ball! They’re being PAID VERY HANDSOMELY to do so! A sore leg should never be the cause to be in street clothes not helping your team avoid an embarrassing loss to an inferior team on your home court!

So say we put Aberdeen out there, and he ruptures his ACL. Would it have been worth it?
 
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kybassfan

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I’m here to argue that it’s not such a smart thing and breeds more soft and injury prone guys going forward. In past years guys didn’t puss out for every little “hangnail” as you put it. Denzel had a “sore leg” ffs!!! Get tf out there and play ball! They’re being PAID VERY HANDSOMELY to do so! A sore leg should never be the cause to be in street clothes not helping your team avoid an embarrassing loss to an inferior team on your home court!
Yeah. Bull whip and cattle prods. Am I right? That bone is only sticking out in one place.

Actually a sane investor doesn’t put several million at risk for a game that has no impact to the bottom line. A gambler or fan with no skin in the game does stupid crap like that The same investor secures the best medical care and trainers and follows their advice.

Telling some guy you just paid a million bucks to rub some dirt on it and saying he ‘pussed’ out as you call it is vintage BCG. Pop Tarts all round?